Hey all, well my ABS light has been on for a few weeks after one night in the rain when my ABS system kicked on. I checked the brake fluid and it is at the right level, and bled the ABS motor which was fine also. Light is still turning on after driving about 30ft after resetting the battery. I guess my next move is to check all the ABS wheel sensor connections and make sure they are in tact. Any insight guys?? This is really pissing me off

Oh, by the way this is for my 97 3.0 CL and not my 03CL haha

 

my ABS light went on after my accident. Just had to change the ABS sensor. got the sensor for about 14$ at the junkyard. good luck.

 

Im assuming your talking about the wheel sensor correct? How did you know the sensor was bad? I dont think there is a way to visually inspect the sensor for faultiness (haha if thats even a word). And im definitely not taking it to the dealership where they are gonna charge me an arm and a leg to tell me whats wrong with it. Thanks for the insight!

 

im in the same place as you. cant figure it out. only turns on after i drive for about 30 ft so im assuming its the wheel speed sensor too. does anyone have a picture of the wheel speed sensor we need to swap out??

 

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You can see the sensor in the illustration at the site above. I think its #10 and 11 for the R/L. I was also thinking about resetting the battery and jacking up the front and then rear spinning each wheel individually to see if the faulty sensor will cause the ABS light to turn on when I spin the wheel with the bad sensor. What you guys think?

 

Def sounds like a wheel speed sensor, I've replaced 3 already

 

hey that sounds like a pretty good idea except for turning the car on while its jacked up, unless you have a very good way to jack the car. if you do it and it works lemme know!!

EDIT: link no worky worky for me.

 

I am having the EXACT same problem. Got my car back from the shop after an accident a few weeks ago.

ABS Light turns on after driving a few feet. ABS does not kick in when hard braking.

Yesterday i stopped at a gas station to get smokes.. ABS light didnt come on when i drove away.. and ABS started working..

This morning? ABS light is on again.. sigh..

Guess i gotta figure out which wheel it is. My friend, who is a mechanic for mercedes, also suggested jacking up the car and spinning wheels individually to see which one it is.

 

pic link doesnt work

 

Pic i found on ebay:


Thats $55


I also see what looks like just the sensor (generic pic)



Do i need to replace the whole assembly (top pic) or just the sensor (bottom pic)

 

your problem does not sound exactly like mine. which is most likely just the sensor since my abs still works. you might try spinning individual wheels to see what happens. but try the sensor and if nothing then try the motor.

 

Ok guys you need to take it to a mechanic! Now im not saying get robbed. But you need someone with a scanner to check the car for what code the ECU is reading. Usually you can pay a mechanic 45 bucks and they will tell you what code is coming up and along with the code it should give a brief on which sensor or if its the sensor at all. For example if it was an 02 Sensor it would say faulty 02 sensor bank 1 as opposed to bank 2 or 3. Hope that helps. Dont want to change the wrong part .

 

I had the same prob, went through hell replacing parts. Got fed up and checked myself. Found a tiny piece of very thin wire (similar to the tiny wires in guitar string) stuck to the magnetic sensor on the wheel speed sensor which was confusing it. Lots of money for nothing. Acura dealer was completely clueless.

 

I am having similar problems with my ABS light.

I took my 2.2cl to a mechanic to run the codes using his scanner. For some reason, his scanner tool was not getting any reading from the car. I decided to short the 2-wire connector under the glove box as indicated in other threads on A-Zine. My ABS light flashed the DTC code 4-4.

According to some online postings this code means "Wheel Lock Left". He mentioned that his machine read that code 4-4 meant the "rear right sensor" which would make more sense as per similar problems for others on A-Zine.

a) Can anyone tell me what DTC code 4-4 means for my ABS light? I would like to have this problem fixed.

b) Also, I was told that jacking up the car and spinning the wheels would not help me since the ABS light is a result of wheel speeds differing from each other. Therefore the only way to diagnose the problem is with a scanner tool that can read the wheel speed data. Does this make any sense?

c) I found another guy with a scanner tool that said he can only help me if the problem "places a code in the ODBII computer, he can read it". I think he means Does wheel speed data or ABS data place a code in the ODBII computer? Someone please let me know if this makes any sense or if I should get more information to you.

Thanks in advance.

 

I may have found the answers to my own questions:

a) DTC code 4-4 does mean Rear Right Sensor

b) I don't know this one, but the 2-wire connector trick worked so why even bother spinning the wheels?

c) ABS codes are NOT stored in the OBDII computer. I will need to find a scanner that can read Honda's own special trouble codes. I've been told to find a "big snap-on scanner?" or go to the stealership. I may be better off to just replace the rear right sensor and see if that works.

 

i also have this problem on my 97 cl 2.2 5-speed. i can hear a click than the abs light comes on. sometimes it takes about a 1/4 mile of driving before it comes on.everything seems to work like it should.i will be checking them this weekend,damn Acura.

 

Would this abs issue cause any other problems down the road? cuz i've had my abs light on since i got the car a few months ago. But i really don't care if my abs doesn't work, cuz i hate it in winter time. And my issue is the exact same as blind's.

 

you do not need a scanner to read ABS fault codes on any 97-99 CL. This goes for Check Engine light codes, transmission (D4 Light) codes and/or SRS codes.

But yes, ABS codes are not stored in the ECU. ABS faults are stored in ABS computer. The ABS system was updated for 98-99 model years to match that which was used in the "new" '98 Accords. Most ABS faults will illuminate the ABS light and activate the failsafe relay until one of the following happens.

(98-99 CL's)

1. The "ABS" reset procedure is performed

or

2. For certain codes, the system will automatically reset the light if the car is driven for a certain period and the problem does not happen again.

(not 100% sure on the 97, but should be identical the 94-97 Accord system in which-)

1. Power is disconnected from the battery or the ABS B1 fuse is removed

or

2. For certain codes, the ignition is turned off and back on allowing the system to perform a "soft reset" If the fault reappears, it will illuminate the ABS light again.

kay, now...

Displaying your ABS codes can be done on all CL's 97-99 by taking a simple paper clip and forming a U shape with it. Short the two terminals in the blue, male diagnostic connector which is located underneath the glovebox in a white dummy holder:

turn the ignition to OFF. find your connector. insert the paper clip into both terminals shorting them out. Turn your ignition to ON and watch the ABS light. It will display the code as two digits. Code 4-4 would be four flashes <pause> four flashes <long pause> and repeat. If there are multiple codes stored, they will be displayed in succession with each other. Once all codes are displayed, the sequence will repeat.

Once you have figured out the problem (which 95% of the time is a faulty rear speed sensor), perform this ABS reset procedure for 98-99 CL's:

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...014&highlight=

On 97 CL's, disconnecting the battery for a few moments should reset it.

Because you said the light only illuminates when you start rolling, there is a huge probability it is a wheel sensor and nothing major. The computer takes a second to perform a "check-in" for all sensors after the car has stopped. If one isn't reporting wheel-speed correctly, or at all, it waits a few moments, then shuts the system off, illuminating the light.

Leaving your ABS light on shouldn't cause any major problems. There is a remote possibility the electric pump could seize eventually. A working ABS system "exercises" the fluid pump every once in a while when you first start driving to ensure it is working and keep parts moving.

Some people do not like honda (or anybody's) ABS. I know it can suck in the snow. But other times, it has gotten me out of some bad situations.. especially in panic stops.

 

Putting your CL year and trim in your profile to the <---left is always helpful. but... code 4-4 sounds like a '97 code which means a short/open in the Right Rear wheel speed sensor. It is a simple DIY and the part should run you about $120-140. you can try cleaning it, etc., but rear sensors are a very common failure on CL's

 

unless you have the $800 honda ALB tester this procedure will not work. The ABS computer needs all 4 wheels to spin together above 5-10 MPH to determine faults. You should really pull the fault codes.. its a lot easier. Some acura mechanics use a multimeter to check continuity of each of the sensors. The readings should be from 450-2,050 Ohms.

 

I would not recommend replacing that sensor unless your speedometer has quit working. That is a Vehicle Speed Sensor or VSS. That speed sensor has nothing to do with the ABS system. It is only used for speedo, ECU and Auto Transmission functionality.. replacing it will not fix an ABS issue.

 

for those of you with '97 CL's here is a fault code list: 98-99 is completely different.

ACURA CL 1997, ACCORD COUPE 1994-97, ACCORD SEDAN 1994-97
FAULT CODE IDENTIFICATION

Fault code Fault location 1 The hydraulic pump motor is over-run 1-2 The hydraulic pump motor 1-3 Is a high pressure leak 1-4 The pressure switch 1-8 Accumulator of high pressure system 2-1 Circuit of handbrake warning lamp switch 3-1 Rotor teeth damaged on right hand front wheel speed sensor 3-2 Rotor teeth damaged on left hand front wheel speed sensor 3-4 Rotor teeth damaged on right hand rear wheel speed sensor 3-8 Rotor teeth damaged on left hand rear wheel speed sensor 3-12 Combination of different sizes of tyres 4-1 Circuit of right hand front wheel speed sensor 4-2 Circuit of left hand front wheel speed sensor 4-4 Circuit of right hand rear wheel speed sensor 4-8 Circuit of left hand rear wheel speed sensor 5-4 Right hand rear wheel lock 5-8 Left hand rear wheel lock 6-1 Front fail safe relay 6-4 Rear fail safe relay 7-1 Right hand front, hydraulic modulator solenoid valve 7-2 Left hand front, hydraulic modulator solenoid valve 7-4 Rear, hydraulic modulator solenoid valve 8-1 Operation of the ABS 8-2 The ECU 8-4 Internal circuit of the ECU

 

yup just got Acura to run my code today..
right rear wheel speed sensor..

i finally did something about this because the other day the abs light did not come on the brakes were acting up.. kinda scary..

so i guess i will try cleaning the sensor first.. and then where is the best place to buy a replacement?

 

not acura i can say that much

 

$450 plus labour i was quoted today.

 

thats flat out ridiculous. its 2 bolts,takes like 10 minutes

 

wow! what a joke. They must be desperate to make some extra money bc of the economy or whatever. ABS sensor can be had for about $150-175 from a good dealer and it is easier (and less-messy) than an oil change.

Try acuraautomotiveparts.org

 

All that for a VSS? Holy hell

 

easy fix : break out the abs led from the cluster.

 

iansanderson you are the man!

I almost bought a similar VSS to the bottom picture that Blind_Shooter had posted. (My speedometer works fine so I would have wasted my money).

a) Is the top picture that he posted the correct looking one? Also, I tried the "acuraautomotiveparts.org" and "acuraoemparts.com" sites but couldn't find the right part #. Do you know what the OEM or aftermarket equivalent part # is for a Rear-right Wheel Speed Sensor?

b) Will the same WSS work for any wheel or does each one have a specific part?

c) where do I find and how do I remove the "ABS B1" fuse as you mentioned?

I'm almost sure cleaning won't work and I need the part since the light is off every time I start my car but turns on after I just start rolling. Like you said, the problem is VERY common and lots of us online have the same symptoms.

THanks a lot for your help.

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2) "57470-SV4-950" - Is this the OEM part # I need and does anyone know if there is a cheaper alternative equivalent part?

Thanks, I want to fix this asap!

 

2) Some are saying it's 57470-SV4-N00 instead? I drive a 2.2cl 4CYL. Which one do I need?

a) 57470-SV4-950
b) 57470-SV4-N00

Thanks

 

I called 2 different Acura Stealerships and both said the part I need is (57470-SV4-N00) which is $244.40 Cdn (Approx $198 USD).

Most of the online parts shops sell this part for about $117 USD. Problem is that most online stores say that 57470-SV4-N00 is for models:

Years: '94 - '97
Models: ACCORD WGN EX, ACCORD WGN LX ABS, ACCORD 4DR EX LEATHER/V-6, ACCORD 4DR EX V-6, ACCORD 4DR LX ABS/V-6, ACCORD 4DR LX V-6

And the online acura one I found (acuraoemparts.com) says:

Fits Models: All CL Models Except : CL 2DR PREM, CL 2DR PREM NAVIGATION, CL 2DR SPORT, CL 2DR SPORT NAVIGATION

hondapartscheap.com says that 57470-SV4-950 works for:

Years: '94 - '97
Models: ACCORD 2DR DX ABS, ACCORD 2DR EX, ACCORD 2DR EX LEATHER, ACCORD 2DR LX, ACCORD 2DR LX ABS, ACCORD 4DR DX ABS, ACCORD 4DR EX, ACCORD 4DR EX LEATHER, ACCORD 4DR LX, ACCORD 4DR LX ABS, ACCORD 4DR DX

I would figure my car should be similar to the Accord 2DR EX Leather since it is a 2.2(F22B1). So I am still stuck at square one:

Is it 57470-SV4-N00 or 57470-SV4-950?

 

57470-SV4-N00 will work 100% on a 97. Accord shared many ABS components including sensors.

 

a) no. here is a picture of a Honda/Acura rear speed sensor. Honda/Acura ABS components always have orange connectors, just as all SRS components are bright yellow.



b) every wheel sensor is part-specific. There are 4 separate part numbers for CL wheel sensors. This is because they have to follow a very specific profile along the suspension and body.

c) the ABS B1 fuse is located inside the ABS fusebox. it is the smaller fusebox located near the battery. You can open it and see about 3 or 4 fuses and some relays. on the cover, you will see the fuse names "B1, B2 etc." The B1 fuse is the backup power to the unit. Obviously, this can only be done with the ignition off and only applies to 1997-down cars.

and ya, cleaning has a very small chance of fixing the problem. years of suspension travel just break the wires inside and cause them to short/open. since its a safety related item, the computer is ultra-sensitive to any deviations from the norm.

 

Thanks Mang...... I'll order the 57470-SV4-NOO and see if that works.

I appreciate the help.

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Will 57470-SV4-NOO work on a 3.0CL?
i see you guys both have 2.X

 

Ive got a question, with anyone having a problem with their ABS. When they start their car, does anyone hear a small motor sounding hum from their glove compartment, and when it stops their ABS light comes on??

Thats what my '97 3.0 is doing, and Im gettin ready to sell it so i need to fix it fast with as lil money as possible. So I dont think i have a sensor problem, but I could be wrong.

 

Thanks iansanderson, your info is very helpful and just what I have been looking for. Someone who knows what they're talking about.

 

My abs light has been on for years. Also noticed my actual speed did not match my speedometer. When passing a speed trap I noticed at about 50 miles an hour the speed trap showed only 46mph. So while driving down the I-10 I was following a friend and asked him his speed, before cell phones were banned while driving, he said 70mph. My speedometer said 65mph. It's all good. I stay away from speeding tickets.