mrsteve

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Not to mention the car may not be street legal, especially in california where i'm sure you will need CARB certification for such a swap (I may be wrong on that).

Cocoa

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Yea, that's why I'm researching everything before I even attempt this. I hear good things about it though from v6performance.net

If it does come to an estimate of too much, than I won't even bother. The hardest part about this swap in my opinion would be converting the auto to stick. That's really my main concern.

mrsteve

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Yes that would be the most complicated part. And as for the headers, if the headers are not the latest Comptech model they will need to be updated to the latest Comptech model to fit around an extra mount on cars with the 6MT. That alone is $1000.

Cocoa

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I have the 3.0

Cocoa

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Replacing the downpipe should do the trick correct?

mrsteve

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Its not on the downpipe. It is on the rear header.

Cocoa

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I'm sure I can find stock headers for now. I don't need all the goodies if the swap were to be done. I wonder if anyone has pics of a auto vs 6speed headers from comptech. I'd like to see what they did differently. Thanks for all your help too man.

mrsteve

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It's a small bend in the rear header to clear the motor mount. Nothing major. 6speed headers will fit the automatic, just automatic headers won't fit the 6speed. So instead they only make the "6speed" headers now. Hense the "newer model" of Comptech headers.

Cocoa

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I found this below at v6net. Seems like I'll be talking to him a lot over the next few days to make my final decision. Thought it would be helpful info for anyone else that is interested in knowing about this rare swap:





"The other thread is getting pretty ugly so I am just going to post what is necessary for you to know about this swap including any trouble with fitting, parts availability and wiring. Please help to keep it clean!

I will be adding everything as I get time. Thank you.

Here is a link to the pictures of the progress.

http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4289714453

The car is finished and I have pictures and wintesses who have driven in it. I'll post those pics when I can.

Parts list: Parts we used were:

1. Acura trans
2. Acura cl-s starter
3. Acura cl-s bracket on the trans to hold the shift linkage ( I list this because it is a pain in the ass to get) We actually had this fabricated cos it is still unavailable. We are using the Honda 4cyl console and cables. If you put in the cls cables you might be able to use the stock Acura bracket (cable stay).

4. Acura axle seals
5. Acura Flywheel
6. Stock Honda axles, the Acura axles are the same part number.
7. Accord 4cyl console, shifter and shift linkage. (it fit right in)
8. Acura brake and shift pedal.
9. Acura clutch and pressure plate.
10. Acura throw out bearing.
11. The ECU was put into d1 and there is a push button starter to make the ECU think it is in park. (Button Idea thanks to Ei-ccord)
12. 2 Acura vibration mounts for the trans. There were already holes for a bracket that bolts to the CL trans. The mounts are huge, much larger than the Honda ones.
13. Stock Honda intermediate shaft
14. 92 Honda civic master cylinder.

The trans bolted up perfectly and actually is smaller and reduced the weight by about 150 LBS. the stock axles and most of the mounts and intermediate shaft was used. Acura was a ***** to deal with cos the dealers we called in so cali (4 of them) didn't know a damn thing. We eventually contacted Falconi's Acura in Las Vegas. They were really cool and helpful. We hade to have P/N 24600-pyz-000
fabricated we where told by Acura it could take 1 week to 1 year.

The ECU:
The ECUwas put into D1 and we used a push button starter to make it think it was in Neutral to get it started.
The VSS (Vehicle speed sensor) If the wheels are not moving or the ECU isn't hooked up to the correct sensors there is a saftey feature that lowers the rev limiter to 5000 RPM. There are some sensors that send certain signal when the car is moving at 3 MPH or higher. On the AT there is a main and a counter shaft. The ECU sends out a signal and gets one back from these sensors when the car is moving. The pulse is modified by a magnet in one of these sensors that sends the signal back to the ECU. As the wheels spin faster the signal gets "chopped" up by the magnet and the ECU just reads that. It is a saftey feature that Honda put in the keep people from Neutral dropping. 5000 is what it hits at.
There was more to this; it took some help from friends at Honda of America in torrance who gave me specifics about the internals and pinout of the sensors for the Honda and the Acura.

Problems so far:

1. Breaking engine mounts. My car is supercharged so this might be the reason but I broke the mount near the passenger side. Totally destroyed it within 3 weeks, it was so cool. I got the new one form our friends Faloconi's Acura in LV. $62.91

2. The reverse lockout or gear selector selenoid was pretty much unusable when the trans arrived. It costs 200.00 wholsale for a new one. Also the AT ECU does not have a connector for this cos AT doesn't use it. What we are going to do is use a switch. When it is on the car will go into reverse when it is off the reverse is locked out. I was drivning and went form 4th to 6th but missed and grinded reverse. It felt like any other manual does when you do this but any other manual would have had this selenoid. Mine didn't so I wasted reverse... another week without my car and had to pull the engine out again. Also found we had destroyed completely the pilot bearing. It was pretty much un recognizable we only knew what it was cos the pilot bearing was missing. We just found peices of it. So when you put a trans back onto the engine, make sure it is all lined up and goes on fairly easy. Don't use the bolts to get it on cos there is probably something mis alligned.and you could break something like a pilot bearing.

3. Make sure the bolts for the pressure are not too long. the pressure plate and flywheel for the CLS look way strange so it is hard to tell.
Make sure you either use the bolts that are used by Acura or they are the right length.

4. The clutch pedal has two bolts. There is a brace but it will not fit. One of the two bolts over about a period of 1 month starts coming loose and the pedal flexes a lot, this mean that as you push the pedal down it flexes too much before the clutch starts engaging. Shifting get kind of hard or impossible. Use locktite or better yet what we are doing is making a metal plate, like a backing. After we bolt that down behind the pedal flange it should give it some more support.

Again I wanted to let you know that the count is up to 5 Acura dealers in SoCal who screwed us over.
Acura in Pasadena, orderd pilot bearing, 2 days later went to pick it up and they never even placed the order.

We called all the Acura dealers to see if we could get the slider I tore up for reverse, they tried to sell me the whole thing for 411.00
I called Falconi's and they over nighted me what I needed for 91.00.


UPDATE 12/3/03
Just got my Haltech E6x Installed. It wasnt too bad for a first time. Took a while just need to tune it.

Update on Sensors.. For the VSS. The main shaft uses a stock Accord sensor. For the counter shaft try using one of a 98 civic. see what you get! we didnt want to let this info out earlier but I am not sure if anyone will be doing this for a while so her you go."

EPS CL

I think jimmy said that the labor is only around 1-2 thousand. Let me go get some info real quick.

EPS CL

Well, he's selling his car and said that its only 1g to finish the swap, which means putting in the motor in addition to what he did to the trans. Considering what was required to make the tranny work with the j30, I don't think it'll be so difficult at all to put in a complete 6spd J32 setup. Here's the thread btw: http://www.v6performance.net/forums/...ad.php?t=38725

EPS CL

Well I'm an ass for not reading the whole thread, but yea, the issue comes up that the 2nd gen cl and the 6th gen accord coupe share a lot of traits. But thats just piping and stuff, which shouldn't be that much.

jermz123

hmm i shud talk to Falconi's since i live in vegas...im thinking about doing this swap also since my tranny seems to be slipping.

EPS CL

My trans is fucked too. So I guess no one is even considering the dr evil tranny?

jermz123

i duno id rather have the j32 and boost that than have the j30 w/ a dr.evil + boost.

Cocoa

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Yea, I'm waiting for a lot of replues to my emails. Seems like jimmy is selling his car. So I'm trying to cut a deal to swap out everything. And since he has done the swap already, he would know what to expect and what not. It would save time and money for me.

Cocoa

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This started out as a dream, turned into a nightmare, and now it seems like all is possible for a good price. I'll keep you guys posted as to what I am told, how much, etc... and then we'll see what I decide on doing. But this seems cheaper than buying a new car so far. (new car = car payments, plus full coverage insurance, and on my BAD driving record....the street racing ticket really hurt my insurance rate).

Worst case scenario, I'll just have to buy another car and live with it.

jermz123

yea i say just go wit it bro. u can even buy a beater car just to drive around kuz i got a 90 ef hatch taht i use to go to work with. although i gettin tempted to drop a f22 in that lil sucka! anyways gl on it man keep us posted kuz some of us are interested in this swap. pce!

Cocoa

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Sweet.... so far, so good. Now I just gotta wait till tomorrow to talk to him on the phone.

One question, do we have the same platform as the 5th gen accord? I thought we had the 6th gen accord platform?

EPS CL

nope, 94-97 accord

baka_t

This is pretty much it. Wiring is gonna be the bitch job on the project. You mite want to switch out the cluster for a 5sp cl one. You will also need the trans ecu to get the cluster to work. You also mite need to custom fabricate a cable mount.

mrsteve

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Hmmm I wonder how this new drivetrain will bolt up to the stock diff? The CL6 has a limited slip and you don't

roddymerritt

Look man I don't know where you at but my guy in town that does engine work for me can do it and if you need something other than waht you buy he can get for you or tell you what you need and let you get it if you think you can find it cheaper. My frined had civic that he did a GSR swap, typical I know, but it was done so right and clean that he won in the engine swap class at nopi. The guy knows his honda motors so I'll do sometalking a see what you should epect and wht you might need

baka_t

I think it could be inbetween. I think the front half engine trans ect is closer to the 6th gen platform. I'll compare with my friends 6th gen soon.

Cocoa

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So same platform as the 94-97 accord, but same motor as the 98-02 accord. Gay...this might be a problem. Seems like the C32 5 speed (Legend) would be a better fit then.

97Acura3.0CL

sounds like you got a serious project on your hands there Cocoa

good luck and i hope it goes through ok

how much did it run jimmy to do all of it including the SC???

baka_t

Depends on the mounting points. As long as you can mount it, your in good shape. I'm pretty sure the mounts are close to the 98-02. My cousin has a 95 accord v6 and the mounts look completely different. You can always weld new mounts.

Cocoa

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Man, I hope it can fit nice and tucked

baka_t

Just ask a member from the v6p.net 6th gen guys to meet up with you so you can compare engine bays. This will give you a better idea if it will work or not. Better yet, ask one of the j32 6sp guys to check out their ride.

ghost_masterCL

did you ever get a reply about the J32 + 6sp tranny? was it really $3500 for both?

I am definitely keeping an eye on this thread.

Cocoa

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Yea, I'm talking to one of the guys that has a J32A2 with the 6speed in his 00' accord. If it all seems like it's going to go smoothly, then I'm buying his motor/tranny, as well as having it done at the shop he had it done at. So that they know what to expect, thus making it an easier swap to attempt. I have to call him tomorrow because he needs to ask me a few questions about my car. So we'll see how it goes.

Cocoa

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If it does fit, then I'll give you the number/website to where I found the other motor/6speed tranny.

baka_t

If you do this, your the man. I hope to do this, in the beginning of next year.

CLpower

lnsyone

One thing for sure is that it isn't going to be easy.

Good luck, and I hope your plans follow through.

Cocoa

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Arh, sorry man, bad news. They sold the tranny. But they still have the engine. They don't have the harness and they said they said they couldn't get the engine started. Those trannies are hard to find. But over at v6net they were talking about how the TSX's have similar trannies to the CL-S, except without LSD. Or, you can always try the 04 accord 6speed trannies. Just keep looking, those trannies are hard to find. But I'll keep you guys posted on what's going to happen.

Cocoa

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I know if this project is doable, for a reasonable price, CLPower is going to be the next man with the swap, lol.

ghost_masterCL

I'm sure if you do this for a reasonable price he wlil do it as well, but then we'll have plenty of people to reference about it, so it'll get cheaper and cheaper, adn less troublesome. not many people have the balls to pioneer something of this calibur.

DrDre1443

i wouldnt mind doing a swap just for the tranny when in blow mine up. in january ill have 6G's so let's find out how much all this costs!

ib_jimmy

ask the guy that's selling the long block if they have all those other stuff u're looking for....he might be parting out this car. what about axles? would the stock 3.0CL axles fit the J32?