I thought that preludes weight a lot less than our CL, but only a 55lbs difference according to autoconsumer guide. So technically... a CL with a H22 should be pretty much even with a Prelude SH... or be around the same...depending on the driver...weight and ability to drive. yes? Just thought to bring this point up to the ppl with h22s or futre h22ers. If this is a repost...forgive me. i'm bored.

 

SH is crap.

 

all wheel turning is

 

dunno how this applies to the prelude sh

 

An H22 CL with a 185lb. driver should > a H22 Prelude with a 350lb. driver.





On a more serious note, I think they should be about even. Although, a Prelude should beat a H22 CL on a course due to its superior handling.

 

Son has a 98 SH prelude, is not all wheel steering and is not Crap, it's pretty damn quick actually....so please explain why you think SH's are crap?

 

Ive owned them and there not crap. Actualy they handle very well and is fast. Overall there a very good car I think he just wanted to use that turd smily hehe

 

he is probly referring to the fact that they arent vtec and they have the dreaded atts system. which if you dont plan on modding your car at all then an sh is just fine.

 

btw, they quit makin all wheel steering back in like 94. and the wheels dont actually move with the steering wheel, they sway when you go into turns.

 

My stock 2.3 with Header/Intake/Exhaust kept up with my buddies Lude, and all he had was a fields Unit. He could get me off the line sometimes..but on the highway I could pull him. He sold his car, but I would say that my H22 with the bolt on mods that I have now would BUST HIS ASS!!!!!

Just my opinion.

 

That's what I was refering too, I've heard horror stories about things breaking because of those designs. Which is why they quit making them, I think.

 

those preludes didn't have the H22 did they? thought they were theSOHC

 

no thats the prelude S. which was only made a few years (no wonder)

 

the CL could probably hang witha drop stiffer shocks and some strut reinforcement. as far as power goes i dont know i still have a f22. and it also could be a matter of gearing. im not sure if the lude has the same tranny and final drive ratios as the CL but if they are the same then yes a CL would probably keep up. then you could take a step further and shave a bit of weight off your CL if you want to beat them. get some plexi windows and that will take off about 40-50 lbs easy.

 

but the 94 ludes with the 4wheel steering didn't have H22s right?

 

pretty sure they did. either a 2.2 or a 2.3 h series

 

doh... i thought SH had h22s in them... i guess it's just the type s?

 

the sh is a 2.2 dohc vtec engine. (h22a). i thought it was without vtec but i was wrong.

 

someone video tape the race please.

 

ok guys lots of misconceptions about preludes right now:

4th gen ludes 92-96 came in 2/3 models

s model (base) came with the f22..no 4ws (4 wheel steering) or it was optional

si model came with h23...4ws was either standard or optional

vtec model came with the h22

5th gen ludes 97-discontinued(dunno what year) came with 2 models (in US):

base model came with standard h22a

sh model came with standard h22a and atts

now, atts is NOT 4ws

4ws only works during low speed turning to help reduce the turning radius in tight spots (also known as parking lots)...the rear wheels will slightly turn the opposite direction of your front wheels...during high speed turning, the rear wheels will slightly turn at the same direction as the front wheels to help switch lanes during highway driving

atts = active torque transfer system (i think 80% correct)

it's the predicesor a very mediocre version of the sh-awd found in the new rl's...it works as an active limited slip differential...traditional clutch type differentials are passive..and will only transfer 50% torque to each wheel AT MOST...so even if the outside wheel can handle more power during long sweepers, it won't get it...an example: 100hp/tq car will only distribute at most 50hp/tq to each wheel at maximum circumstances

the atts system is an electronic clutch system that can actively transfer +15% torque to the left and right wheels...so if the inside wheel is slipping, it will be reduced to 35% available torque and outside wheel will have 65% available torque...an example: 100hp/tq car can distribute 65hp/tq to one wheel and limit the slipping (useless) wheel to 35hp/tq

so on paper the atts system would perform better than a standard lsd since the atts system will be able to put more power to where there's more traction...but due to heavy machinery (almost 100pounds) and poor computers it didn't do as well as a lighter weight lsd that can perform just as good...how the sh-awd system will do seems much more promising...on paper of course

how much of this do most care about is another question as well...but i just wanted to clear up things

 

you most certainly cleared that up..i am now a prelude guru..lol
nice research

 

HE MUST HAVE AN AUTO AND NEED A TUNE-UP!!!! I have had both cars. My CL actually had an H22 in it and I could tell you that my cl with exhaust and intake could kinda keep up with my buddies auto prelude but couldn't touch my other friends 5 speed that knew how to actually drive the car.

And to whoever said the SH is crap, Please drive and know a car before saying bad things about it. I have owned 4 hondas and one of them had the whole suspension done. I have drove plenty of hondas in my time and none of them can hold up against the way the ATTS system turns that dam car. I was amazed when I bought my SH and still am. I rather have an SH which is a bit slower and handles like a science then have a pubic hair of a fraction faster times on the track.

to each is own. I know this but I am trying to give you my thoughts as a HONDA PRELUDE SH OWNER.

 

oh yeah, there is also a DISTINCT difference between the auto preludes and manual preludes...i've seen auto preludes with basic boltons run high and mid 16's...that's over a second slower than manual

the auto tranny sucks up ALOT of power...even for an auto...some are dynoing around like 140-150hp to the wheels (don't feel like calculating percentages) with basic boltons

some lude owners believe the autos have a less agressive cam profile...believe what you want..but i dunno about that one

 

The auto's are rated at 5 less horse power than the manuals. Also some think there's more parasitic loss because of the Sport Shift as oppose to a regular automatic.

 

settle it already. video tape the race.

 

well look at it this way. an auto has 4 gears to reach the same speed as a 5 speed manual so the gears are going to have to be longer and therefore a little slower. the more gears you have the closer the ratios can be to acheive the same top speed therefore making it easier to get there. true sports cars have manuals for a reason. thats one of the reasons i dont like automatics. the other is my left foot just gets lonely.

 

had a 00 prelude sh....all i gotta say is "worst bang for the buck". thank god it's discontinnued.