I mozied over to the TL section to read up on all the 6 speed swaps and noticed this thread https://acurazine.com/forums/2g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-116/yo-richiev6-699063/ and it was mentioned they were working on one for the 4 speed automatic. If they have the 4 speed one finished will it work with our 1st Gen Cl's or will I still have to change all the stuff over this little module would take care of? Also will these pedals bolt up to my CL http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda...Q5fAccessories

 

never mind about the pedals, I am almost positive these will fit http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda...Q5fAccessories

 

ok, I have read other forums and they say the 6 speed will bolt up but will have serious clearance issues and have to cut through the firewall and all kinds of other crap to make it fit, is this true? If its going to be that big of a problem I will just sell the 1st gen and get a 2nd Gen and even if I get a AT I can swap it out and not have any problems what so ever like this, even I will know that module will work with it without any problems. Any information oropinions would be great. i don't know if I believe that other site since tehCL swapped out the whole motor and trans in his CL and as far as I know he didn't have to cut up his firewall. I really need some answers here because I was just getting ready to pull the trigger on all the parts except for the transmission before I read that forum about it

 

anyone? Opinions are welcome, doesn't have to be factual based, just throw what you think at me and we can debate it a little and maybe get somewhere. I know I am not the only one interested in this swap (even though I will be the only one so far to bolt it up to the 3.0) would really like to hear what had to be done when swapping in the 3.2 6speed combo in the 1st gen and that may give me an idea on what would have to be done when bolting the trans to a 3.0, because it shouldn't be that much different on the bottom end next to the firewall

 

I think that its going to be a huge hassle if that's what you're trying to do, cutting into the firewall and all of the extra things that would to be done..because I think you would have to get better mounts and reinforce everything for safe measure..but why go through all the hassle for 1 more gear? If you wanna go a 6 route fully build a K series..(K20)..

 

I think it's just a waste of time. The cars slow no need for a 6 speed

 

as far as the pedal, yse the second ones would probably work the best for you since the 1st gen cl is basically just a 5th gen Accord (94-97)

as far as cutting into the firewall , you will have to modify it a little, but that is more for mounting the clutch pedal, and master cylinder, i would not think the transmission itself ); the headers on the engine itself probably go further back in the car then the actual transmission, and for the most part the you can consider the firewall to be a "flat" plane/surface

as far as the physical size of the trans it's quite a bit smaller especially compared to the 5-speed, and i know the 4-speed is of very similar size, but the 6-speed does not go any further back when mounted up then the autos do

also PHEE has swapped a 4-speed auto to the 6-speed auto, but on a 2g TL though
https://acurazine.com/forums/members/phee-226990/




biggest thing i will ask though: is the car an V6 already, or just the base 4 cylinder (i would stick with the the original engine configuration [ie: V6 or I4])

 

Allans CL was a 4cyl before he did the J32 swap so things were probably a bit different than they would be for you. He had to change mounts and all that stuff, you wouldn't have to worry about all that as far as I know, unless the tranny mounts are different for the 6 speed you might have to do something custom.

 

on the 2g tl, the mounts themselves are different between the auto and 6-speed, BUT the mounting holes on the crossmember where exactly the same though, so they just swapped in along with the transmission



and yes going to a V6 from an I4 will add quite a bit of complications to the whole project

 

I knew I would have to modify it for the mounts and that is no problem what so ever, I just don't want to have to cut into the firewall and have to make a new floor pan or anything like that. I didn't think it would sit that much different since there has been swaps and there were no mention of them having to cut out firewall and build another one or anything.
Its got nothing to do with speed, its just to do it because I can and no one else has done it before, not wanting to race it or anything because if you go over 65 you get a ticket so don't understand that comment at all. I have always done mods just to do them. If I want to go fast i will jump in one of the muscle cars or corvette in the garage, this is just something that no one else has done yet to the CL with a 3.0 and since the transmissions are so junky it is something someone needs to try

 

friesm2000, I appreciate your input on this because your opinion is basically the same one I had on fitment. I already read three of the TL conversions (phee,6mtua5,inspireTL) and that is where I found the info on the module thingy. If the module will work on the CL also it will save me from having to get harness and ECU and having to swap some sensors but I haven't gotten any reply from Richie yet about it. I really don't see why it wouldn't work since phee has a 99 TL with 4 speed trans and it worked for him and he used a CL-s Transmission in his, I am just not sure it will plug n play in the 1st gen CL and thats why i need to hear from Richie on that part. If it doesn't I can still get the harness and other stuff and do it that way, just thought that module was really cool and would save some extra time and cash

The 1st Gen CL has a 4 speed auto not a 5 speed but it has nothing to do with adding a gear, it has to do with a more stable transmission in my case and just a wanna see it get done on here by someone so it may as well be me

 

Check out cocoa's build thread for more info on the 6 speed swap, he detailed what he had to go through to get it to fit in a 3.0 chassis, and the mount/sensor info should be there too. Also try pm'ing teh CL also since he's in the process of swapping the 6 speed and 3.2 engine in.

 

Well if u bored then go with it. If i was gonna do it I'd go to a 3.2, then have more power and 6 speed

 

yeah and that would cause hood clearance issues just like teh CL is having, not to mention issues with ground clearance also. I think the 3.0 with 6 speed is a far better choice when you add in all those problems and all for 25 more horsepower. You can do a little engine work on the 3.0 and get 25 horses if you wanted (and not allot of work at that) but again speed isn't actually what I am worried about, its more of the no one else has done it and doesn't look like anyone else is going to. If I had to have a 3.2 I would just buy a 2nd Gen CL that way you wouldn't have all those clearance problems and do the 6-speed swap in it if it was an automatic (which has been done many times). I just think it would be cool to have something no one else does, there are plenty of manual CL's but none with a 3.0 in them

I went ahead and ordered the clutch/brake pedals,clutch lines,slave cylinder and flywheel, if I decide not to do the swap I will just resale them I guess

 

At least your taking the initiative to do something unique. Don't listen to the naysayers. I'm interested in seeing how it all goes, and would be excited to see someone put forth the action, and even attempt, to get it all done. Best of luck.

P.S: I sent you a link in your PM box a while back. Not sure if you read it or if it would help with this.

Cheers.

 

i put down an additional 40 horsepower and 40 ft lbs of torque, JUST by swapping to the 6-speed, so it adds quite a bit of power to the car, let alone the closer ratios of the gears, so staying in the powerband is easier

btw i also have richie's module on mine too, but again i was coming from a 2003 with the 5-speed in it, so not as hard

as far as working on the 4-speed, i do not see why not; since all the hardware should be there, it's just a matter of software programing in the module to keep the ecu happy
and if you are willing to work with him, and datalog if necessary, i would think he be willing to program it for you though, so it does keep the ecu happy


also one nice side effect i have noticed, is that i don't think i have a top speed governor anymore in essence (i have to shift into 6th gear to go any faster, cause it hits redline in 5th; and i just do not have enough power to do that); basically it tells the ecu i am only going like 140 or something, which is still well below the governor, but in reality the speedometer reads something like 153 or something, and is accurate (at least at legal speeds, idk at that speed though)


only if you swap over intake manifolds though from the type-s maybe (and you could always swap on your stock manifold too, you may lose the runner control, but you still fit under the stock hood though)(even then on the 2g CL, they only have issues when they put the MDX spacer in), otherwise the transmission does not hang any lower then the automatic

 

also once my swap was all said and done, my car had lost something like 200 pounds or something crazy (i did put in a CM stage 3 clutch with a lightweight flywheel though, and did remove a couple of vibration dampeners)

you may not lose as much weight with the 4-speed, but at least a good 100 pounds (should be easily achievable) off of the car's frontend is NOTHING to sneeze about though,

 

Are you sure you sent it to me? I just looked and do not have anything in my box from you at all and I still have messages from when I first started on the forum in there so I don't guess the forum has deleted it because its to old
In his thread it says it works perfectly on the accord 4 speed auto ECU so I think it should on the CL also
I think the exhaust that hooks to the 3.2 is what is causing his clearance problems (not exactly a problem but definitely looks like it will cause some in the future because its so low)
I knew it would at least feel more powerful because you are shifting it yourself at optimal rpm's instead of the trans shifting when it wants to. I have always liked a manual over an automatic unless its just a point A to B car and there is no way it could be a fun experience driving it and you just want to be lazy. If I have a car that i want to enjoy driving I would much rather have a manual

I have emailed Blacksheep to see if his transmission is still available but haven't gotten a response yet

 

Well will be looking for another one, he has it listed on the board at $1000.00 plus shipping and just pm'd me back saying if I was willing to pay 1200.00 plus shipping I could have it because someone else wants it. I told him I am unwilling to give him more than he asked for so if someone else was willing to do that then he should sell it to them.

 

should basically be no different then the accord's 4-speed ecu logic



and that additional power, i am NOT taking about peak numbers ( did not totally specify); BUT it was across the ENTIRE powerband (ie: shift both of the HP and TQ curves up 40 each) (and as far as possible differences in dynos; both times it was on the same dyno, same operator, same weather conditions, but ALMOST exactly a year later though)

 

will the axles from the Cl work? or will i need other axles? If I will need new one which ones?

 

i would imagine yours would work just fine, because i know i when i did mine, i just reused the axles from the auto (the splines more then likely will be the same, along with the actual width of the diff is the same, so it should not change the "length" of axle needed

 

did not see this one

but if the trans is listed in the black market here on Azine, he is not allowed to bump the price up any from asked

also did it come from a honda or acura vehicle; non-lsd vs lsd








as far as another source of a transmission try car-part.com, and search for a 04 or 05 TL transmission, the CL ones are overpriced compared to the TL ones by about $600 iirc (mine was about $1200 plus shipping for a transmission with like 80k miles; less then my car , btw third gear had already been replaced under warranty for the previous owner FTW [i called up acura which gave me the dealer that had done the warranty work, which then confirmed that it was indeed third gear that had been replaced previously; case had been resealed btw])

or you can look for an Accord one with out the LSD though, for under $1000 though



also i got my manual starter from the same car too , and i mean the EXACT same car (same VIN )

 

Diff people have diff tastes w/their own cars, not a waste to every1.

 

This is the listing https://acurazine.com/forums/car-parts-sale-361/2nd-gen-cl-s-6-speed-manual-transmission-803747/

this is the emails back and forth
Quote:
Originally Posted by P0401
is that 6-speed transmission you had for sale still available or has it already been sold. If it is still available will you please see about getting me a quote to 28016


yes its still for sale but i have some competing offers, latest is 1200. if youre willing to pay that plus S&H I can get ya a quote. For the quote the price depends on several factors: Do you have access to a loading dock? is it a business or residential delivery address? (IE; if you can link up with a local business/ autoshop and let them get it delivered there it would be significantly cheaper S&H) also would you need the driver to unload and carry it to the building or would you be able to? (its under 100 lbs)

Quote:
Originally Posted by P0401
Nah thats ok, your listing says 1000.00 not 1200.00 so if someone else is willing to pay more than you are wanting more power to them


no problem, i understand. if these guys fall through (they seem kinda flaky) i will let you know. Ive given em a deadline of monday, so unless you find one by then ill contact ya for the original price plus shipping. sound good?


Not worth him getting trouble for, I just thought it was kind of shitty, he tried to back track and offer it to me for what its listed and said he maybe would split shipping because he said the guys were flaky but I wouldn't do business with him now if he cut the price in half

 

on car-part.com I found a 2005TL trans with 64k miles for $1424.00 and its in Monroe NC which is about 30-45 minutes away so it will not have to be shipped I am guessing. How much is shipping usually on these things because if its not all that much there are cheaper units that will have to be shipped on there

 

I'm not sure exactly on the shipping for that..but I can assume it would be pretty crazy since it's so heavy. My shipping on a rear subframe for a Supra from Florida to New York was about $800 from fedex lol.

 

yeah then it would be worth a couple hundred dollars extra if I can go pick it up then, thanks

 

iirc mine from NY to colorado was 3-400, so yeah if you can pick it up in person, i would go for that



btw a loading dock is in no way necessary, one person can pick the transmission up (unlike the automatic); a little on the heavy side though, but doable, but if two people pick it up, no issues
just make sure to take some gloves with you, cause there are some sharp edges, and you don't want to be cutting your hands up