I have a 98 CL 5MT - 2.3
I am seeking to swap a H22 in for greater power mods and increased... well everything. I am looking for some of the best resources on this kind of job. Wiring, tricks, modifications, parts list, etc. I appreciate any advice.

 

searching is always a great tip.
Sorry I can't help you more. I gots teh J30
Welcome to the forums!

 

H22's are over-rated. turbo your F23. or build an f22a turbo.

 

There's the "ultimate H22 swap guide" in PDF form. PM me if u want it emailed to u

 

noobs cant pm.
btw heres the guide, i posted it in the DIY thread.
http://www3.telus.net/Little_Red_Wag...2aSwap9497.pdf
btw where are you located in PA?

 

Welcome, check out the h22 swap guide, and search there's tons of info on the swap and wire tucks

 

i think not...turbo is overrated. for the general tuner, an h22 swap is a better project that turboing their f engine.

head over to hondatech or preludepower, read up on the h22 there. once you start to tackle the swap, then ther'll be a few members than can help.

 

Thanks fellas. I see what I come up with and keep you posted.
Thanks.

 

call me selfish but i like my torque. plus a mildly built f22a makes the same hp and more torque than an h22a, without VTEC.

but yeah i guess if you want to follow the sheep get the H double duece with mad VTEC yo.

 

if u you read my post, i mention that as far as a basic swap goes, the h22 is the best. yes you can get into all sorts of engine builds, N/A applications, turbos etc. given the original post that was my answer. once he starts to be more specific, then we can suggest more advanced projects if necessary.

 

go for twins, LOL

 

well if you do turbo then in my opinion you are taking the reliability out of your car cuz with turbo you never know when something will go wrong and plus you lose engine life but if you do the H22 then you still keep some of that with around the same power.

 

swapping in an h22 vs an h22 turbo is 2 different worlds, you will have to build up the h22 before boosting it

 

If you turbo your car correctly, you're not taking very minimal life out of it. And if u use the f series for the turbo setup, it will be very cheap to replace anything that might go wrong. Heck, AzNTL found a full F23 motor on ebay for 100 bucks. You could never do that w/an H22. If ur gonna go mild, a turbo'd F series or an NA H series are both good choices

 

exactly, you have to do pretty much a full build to turbo the h22. the f22a6 from the CB7's can run 10psi on the stock block. you can pick up the engine off ebay for 400 bucks or less and a full rebuild kit is 500 bucks. you can turbo the motor for 1000-1500 bucks. it'll make bare minimum 220whp and 250ft-lbs on 10psi with a good tune and a couple little tricks here and there. You will never, ever do that with an h22a

 

whats wrong with an F22B

 

f22a's and the h23/f22bDOHC have the same exhaust manifold pattern as the 4G63, which means the manifolds are cehap and easy to come by. plus you don't really need VTEC with a turbo.

 

fair enough... definately on the 1st thing, but ive heard some DSM manifolds, maybe a different one, can be made to fit our F22B head, the silly O-OO-O pattern, with a little ghetto rigging

 

if you are looking to boost a hseries. i really suggest putting together a simple h23vtec. if built right can handle plenty of boost. if you are looking to do an allmotor build. take your h22 head and get it ported along with skunk2 pro1 cams and valvetrain along iwth a decent header. if you really dont wanna get crazy with building the head or motor go wit ha 4.64 FD or even a 5.1 FD from mfactory. transmission gearing is one of the most forgotten things

 

thats why when boosted an F22 tranny is said to be better than the closer ratio-ed H22 Tranny

 

shit i have worked on my car so much that im capable of doing that swap. Staring price $1000 labor

 

absolutly. less changing gears = more time staying in boost. especially if you wind the F22 out to 7500rpm

 

g23-t ftmfw

 

i want to do this.....right chris?

 

 

im with the consensus of build the f23 orf22 up and turbo it. after ready alot about these motors they are amazingly strong....get one and boost the motha brotha up

 

oh the ironing, 10yrs ago i was pushing to do stuff to my f22b in my 94 EX-R Coupe and everyone said i was crazy. it's garbage, get an h22a for $5000 installed (10yrs ago remember), was all i heard.

well i may be crazy but i was right about the power of the sock.

 

yes yes you were....gotta love the f series and what you can do to them.

 

you can mod tem to death and run um into the jaws of hell and back, and the motor will still laugh it off as if nothing happened, I mean most Honda single cams are indestuctible, but the F22 is a friggin BEAST

 

ME! pick meeee!!
but seriously 1k labor for swap...including transmission swap?

 

H22 swap and call it day.

who knows if this guy has the time money and patience to fully build a F23 and turbo it?

even if you dont build the motor in the slightest and keep the boost low, your still gonna run into longevity problems in the future.

 

g23 and turbo mat

 

want to and in the process are 2 different things

 

yeah, thats a good option too

 

i see exactley where this thread is going.

we all have a million opionions on something thats not gonna happen.

no offense to you Hersh, but we see a thread like this every other week, and nothing happens.

(but all you guys spitting these crazy setups dont realize, most people on this website dont have time or money for these builds)

thats why i think a straight up H22 swap is the most logical and economical way to gain 50 horses in your CL.

 

That is true ghost, mcajka and I are talking about something different, different debate over here

 

sorry, im a little buzzed. lol

 

logical, yes, economical... NO, most economical 50 horsies is accomplished through the power of Nitro, seriously a 55 shot kit will run around 5 or 600 bucks brand new, whereas a full H22 swap equates to atleast triple that

 

not having a car payment frees up money...

and yes chris and i are discussing something different

 

g23 also takes alot of knowledge and searching for information. takes awhile. but is the engine is so so SO SO worth it.