Do we need a chip for headers and CAI's?

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Old Nov 12, 2005 | 01:01 PM
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Do we need a chip for headers and CAI's?

My buddy, who KNOWS cars, told me that Honda doesnt use a mass air flow sensor and that Honda's ecus just run in a continous loop, resubmitting the same info over and over. THis means your ecu wont realize you are receiving more air in from a cold air intake, and wont dump more fuel to compromise the air-fuel ratio to gain performance. He said basically the same thing about the headers, your ecu wont notice the difference, so it wont have any gains, and the only way these parts do any good is having an aftermarket chip put in. I was told that a chip wont really do much good until you get into aftermarket cams and shit like that.
Anyone know how much of that is true?
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Old Nov 12, 2005 | 01:36 PM
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Do we need a chip for headers and CAI's?
If Ur buddy knew cars, he'd know that U can't get a 'chip' for a Honda.

Otherwise, no U don't need a 'chip'.
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Old Nov 12, 2005 | 01:42 PM
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No no no i saw it on ebay, it sez 15+ hp chip.





Sorry was too easy..
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Old Nov 12, 2005 | 01:59 PM
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he might be thinking of tuning it with a vafc and you will get better results, but otherwise you just reset your ecu and your good to go
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Old Nov 12, 2005 | 02:17 PM
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Okay- so where is the ecu so I can do that? And how do you re- set it exactly?
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Old Nov 12, 2005 | 02:19 PM
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and your saying no one makes an after market ecu for hondas? I know thats not true.
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Old Nov 12, 2005 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Palayah8ta
No no no i saw it on ebay, it sez 15+ hp chip.





Sorry was too easy..

Ive been wanting to ask this for a while now, are those racing chips on ebay legit? And are they safe?
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Old Nov 12, 2005 | 03:01 PM
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I didn't say ECU.....

I said 'chip'.
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Old Nov 12, 2005 | 04:10 PM
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omg you all are noobs! why are there so many newbs here? you want to know about "chips" do a search and you WILL find all the info you need.
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Old Nov 12, 2005 | 04:12 PM
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I personally like my chips baked.

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Old Nov 12, 2005 | 06:55 PM
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This is why this forum sucks so bad. Everyone talks about newbs and how much they suck, intstead of realizing that everyone has different levels of automotive knowledge. Some know almost nothing, but are here to learn from the more experienced Acura owners that have accrued knowledge from working on their cars, and from learning things from others on this site that actually helped and didnt just write worthless posts about how many posts they have crapped out into the forum about nothing to get there post numbers to 3000 in 6 months. If you know how to help, please do so. If you dont, keep your worthless opinions to your self.
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Old Nov 12, 2005 | 06:57 PM
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I personally like my chips baked.

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Old Nov 12, 2005 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 98 CL
and your saying no one makes an after market ecu for hondas? I know thats not true.
no one makes a aftermarket ecu for our cars
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Old Nov 12, 2005 | 07:04 PM
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https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...ighlight=reset
if you search, theres like 50 threads on this
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Old Nov 12, 2005 | 07:14 PM
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98CL,
1) I believe you reset the ECU by disconnecting the negative terminal of the battery. However, this may not be necessary, because after you drive for a while with your mods, the ECU automatically determines the optimal air/fuel mixture. Resetting the ECU just speeds up this process. I think thats a primitive explanation, I could be wrong.
2.) Do a search for VAFC or VAFC II. It is a device that, I believe allows for some adjustment of air/fuel ratio and VTEC engagement. I think the consensus is that this something to look into after you have intake, headers, exhaust.
3.) There are some good members on this board. Some of the older guys have upgraded their cars and moved on. As time goes by, used CL's become cheaper, and the average age of CL owners goes down. This is just a natural thing.
4.) You can usually find answers to your questions by searching first.
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Old Nov 12, 2005 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ATrain3.0
98CL,
1) I believe you reset the ECU by disconnecting the negative terminal of the battery. However, this may not be necessary, because after you drive for a while with your mods, the ECU automatically determines the optimal air/fuel mixture. Resetting the ECU just speeds up this process. I think thats a primitive explanation, I could be wrong.
2.) Do a search for VAFC or VAFC II. It is a device that, I believe allows for some adjustment of air/fuel ratio and VTEC engagement. I think the consensus is that this something to look into after you have intake, headers, exhaust.
3.) There are some good members on this board. Some of the older guys have upgraded their cars and moved on. As time goes by, used CL's become cheaper, and the average age of CL owners goes down. This is just a natural thing.
4.) You can usually find answers to your questions by searching first.
this man, is not a noob in my book

you can also reset the ecu by pulling the ecu fuse, and disconnectin the battery also
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Old Nov 12, 2005 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ATrain3.0
98CL,
1) I believe you reset the ECU by disconnecting the negative terminal of the battery. However, this may not be necessary, because after you drive for a while with your mods, the ECU automatically determines the optimal air/fuel mixture. Resetting the ECU just speeds up this process. I think thats a primitive explanation, I could be wrong.
2.) Do a search for VAFC or VAFC II. It is a device that, I believe allows for some adjustment of air/fuel ratio and VTEC engagement. I think the consensus is that this something to look into after you have intake, headers, exhaust.
3.) There are some good members on this board. Some of the older guys have upgraded their cars and moved on. As time goes by, used CL's become cheaper, and the average age of CL owners goes down. This is just a natural thing.
4.) You can usually find answers to your questions by searching first.
There we go. Noobs teaching noobs. All good! From now on all us noobs will incorporate the prase "noons only" in our thread titles. LOL.

98CL. Bro. We are all having a good time. You might find it that you go thru hell with all the noob shit but you eventually get your question answered. Its all good.
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Old Nov 12, 2005 | 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ATrain3.0
98CL,
2.) Do a search for VAFC or VAFC II. It is a device that, I believe allows for some adjustment of air/fuel ratio and VTEC engagement. I think the consensus is that this something to look into after you have intake, headers, exhaust.
From what i've seen, the VAFC is just not worth the money.
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Old Nov 12, 2005 | 08:41 PM
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I got my vafc2 for $185 used from another member herere. i'd say it's well worth it, but I don't think I would pay the MSRP of $350+.

I just got my thermoblok spacers today, so the next time i'm able to save up enough to get a magnaflow exhaust installed then I will install everything ele and tune the vafc for $90 an hour.
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Old Nov 13, 2005 | 11:53 AM
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To everyone who answered my thread in a helpful manner, I sincerely thank you. Your help is what keeps new people coming back to the site to learn more, and then eventually teach others more. I dont mean to sound like a cry baby, but it seems like every time I ask a question I get punked for being a newb, it gets old.
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Old Nov 13, 2005 | 12:12 PM
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Chips do have it's benefits on Honda's. Not so much on NA motors, but still have it's benefits. I agree that the VAFC doesn't do much because it can't even control ignition timing.

Go here http://pgmfi.org/ and read all about ECU's. They chipped non-OBD and OBD-1 I think, but still nothing for our OBD-2's as far as I know.
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Old Nov 13, 2005 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ghost_masterCL
omg you all are noobs! why are there so many newbs here? you want to know about "chips" do a search and you WILL find all the info you need.

Why don't you stop being a bitch and let me ask questions. I thought the point of this community was to HELP each other.

Im sure you were just like me when you were new.
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