truraysa

well if anyone remembers i bought two crashed cl's one 3.0 and the other 2.3 5spd. i fixed the 3.0 and have been driving it for about 2 months best time with cai is 16.1. i decided to fix the 2.3 two but i gotta sell one. im kinda wantt to get the 2.3 and putting a h22 or turboing the f23, sorry i cant afford to get a turbo h22. but i also like the the nice torque curve on the 3.0 cause its really smooth. but i really want to smoke my close friend with a sr20det s13. hes in tth e14's cause he got some tuning issues. any suggestions

CLpower

h22a

damond

Well, if your only purpose is to have a fast car, then I'd keep the 2.3 and turbo it. But if want a nice ride, then I'd keep the 3.0.

Me personally, I'd keep the 3.0. Once you tubo the 2.3 and beat your buddy...then what? Now you got a 2.3 that is kinda beat up and ragged on...and won't last. More work and $$$ will eventually have to go into it. I'd get a crotch rocket for true speed.

I'd keep the 3.0 and cruise

clracer97

i'd have to disagree with you damond, although the 3.0 is more cruisin u can have more top end power wen properly modified!!!!

nandowong

depends if you want a stick or not? i would keep the 2.3 and turbo it. you can get about 250 to the wheels with an fmax kit an other things. I just love a stick car

clstyle

that will fit the current 2.2cl motor?

clracer97

i'd say if it was possible to swap trannys into the 3.0 it would be a much better car than the 2.2 or 2.3 performance wise! just my opinion!

TeamBlurryCL

i'd go with the 2.3. i can't drive an auto. it just gets too boring.

clracer97

read what i wrote just before teamblurrycl!!!!! if it was possible to do the swap the 3.0 would come out being much better! (im my opinion)

TeamBlurryCL

it would be better. . . but it's expensive. . . and the avvord v6 doesn't have many aftermarket parts for it.

clracer97

actually it does just not as many as the 2.2's, but overall i think the 3.0 is better performance wise (if u just look at the motor and not the tranny)!

clracer97

it would be better. . . but it's expensive. . . and the avvord v6 doesn't have many aftermarket parts for it.


my response is to that!

TeamBlurryCL

yeah may-be. . . but really, who wants a stock motor if your trying to go fast? name one respectable company that makes a turbo kit for the v6 accord? name a obdI ecu you can put in the accord? what fuel management system can you run? yes you can do an expensive fabrication, but even after all that money, will it be AS GOOD as one's tuned by greddy, fmax, drag, hks? they spend thousands and countless hours making sure the kit is right for your car. (or else they would have to do an expensive recall.) the fact is yes, the j30 is a good motor but with 2 more cyl, your only producing 30lbs of torque than a 4cyl h22. h22 has more potential than the j30. so if you want to go fast, get a h22. if you wanna stay stock, stay with the j30.

TeamBlurryCL

just ask d98clturbo. he's a turbo h22, boosting 15psi. do you think any j30 on this forum can touch him? even check out the pictures of his car. http://photos.yahoo.com/d98clturbo

my goal is to be as fast as him someday.

matteichenfels

3.0

VsicksCL

3.0 ofcourse...a CL is meant to pimp it and criuse thats why i bought one and got rid of my all motor hondas...

cl's arent meant to be racer cars...come on now

truraysa

yeah right now im still debating if i want to race or cruise. as of now the 2.3 wont be rebuilt for about two more month (dont got the cash right now). and im trying to figure out how much power will keep me satisfied. my friends s13 just hit 13 with 1 bar and im really leaning towards racing right now. adn his bov is the bomb

dennis

Well whatever you do just remember the sain we go by...

Pimp it or don't come out at all.

clracer97

hey teamblurry ask dustbuster about a 3.0 that can go up against d98turbo's!! honestly, although the h22 has many more performance parts, there are certain things about the j30 that are better then in the h22's!

AcUrALiTy

how the hell did you get 2 crashed CL's? the auction or somethin?

TeamBlurryCL

like what. . . the thirty pounds of torque? how about we offset that by the point that it's auto. or may be the point where there is no obd I ecu for the car so it can not be tuned as well. if you knew anything about honda/acura, you would know that it isn't what mods you put into the car that will make it go fast. it's what right mods you can do with right tuning that will make the difference. go do your research and you'll find out i'm right.

TeamBlurryCL

your still stuck in old school mode, why don't you just drop a v8 into your car? it's not the size of the engine that matters, it's how you can tune that motor so you can get the max potiential from it.

so you still using bleach when you burn out or what?

moforose3.0

Havent you ever heard the term, "Theres no replacement for displacment?" Its true, so believe it. If you can tune a smaller engine to perform with larger engines, then why couldnt you tune the larger engines to outperform the smaller engines?

TeamBlurryCL

okay. . . you must of not read the other post. the thin is you can't tune the j30. to do a proper tuning you need a obdI ecu so it get rid of all the unneeded sensors. non of the standalones can be used with a obd2.

truraysa

yeah it was from auctions

clracer97

teamblurry is actin like a real asshole!!! if we both have different engines then we just have different engines in the same car! u dont have to be a prick over it! i think that properly modified with a custom turbo the j30 would outperform the h22 or f23!

TeamBlurryCL

let me close with this then. . . if your really set on this then go ahead with your project.

-the cost for a swap for a manual tranny for the j30 is about 5 grand from what i heard. a complete h22 swap installed cost about $2500-3000, which is a lot cheper than a 6 speed tranny alone. it even leaves enough money to go turbo.

-the saying "Theres no replacement for displacment", is ture that's why supras are so fast. there is a difference between the supra and the j30, their after market. the j30 does not really have any major companies that make alot of after market for it. fabrication? well that can be done, but the cost for a fabricated turbo kit for the j30 will cost the same as fully building a h22 and still have money for turbo.

-also the fabricated kit might not even work as well as one from hks, greddy, fmax, or drag. the reason? they spend thousand of dollars testing their turbo kits out and tuning them properly.

-shops that know how to custom and drop a 6 speed tranny and custom out a turbo kit are few, they might not even know what they are doing. on the otherhand shops that know how to do a h22 swap are many. shops that are very good at tuning a h22 are many.

- tuning. if your going to run all that power, you need some type of fuel management system. may-be even a independent fuel management system. hks, apexi, aem, and hondata require or suggest that you get a obdI ecu so their product can tune your car properly. the accord v6 does not have a obdI ecu it can use. again the j30 must settle for something second rate.

-in the end you'll end up with a really expensive car, that is second rate to other modified cars out there. there is no proper way that a j30 can be modified. for the price of your one modified j30 cl, i could have modified one h22 cl and bought another.

-if you have that kind of money, go ahead. . . but it'll be a waste of your money and waste of your time. if you want a fast v6, go buy a supra or nsx, you can get either one for under 29,000. a stock nsx will out preform that j30. 110 in third gear. . . with 3 more gears to go. . . thats power.

clracer97

yea but i am sayn its easier for me to go with the j30 cuz thats the motor i have! its not like i have an f22 so i could swap the h22 in because of the motor mounts! its easier for me to stay with the motor i have for that reason!

phrocker

Unless you have the cash and know you will perform the mods, go with the 3 CL. Otherwise, buy the 2.3. Just remember, I knew I wouldn't go much further than a flowmaster and CAI, so I went with the 3.0 . I debated for weeks whether to buy a 2.3 to mod, but I decided in the end I wouldn't go very far.

I'm sure TeamBlurryCL would agree that if you had to choose between an unmodded 2.3 and 3.0, 3.0 would be the better choice. I think this is my first post, but I've been a leech/reading for the past two months. I love this site by the way.

clracer97

phrocker welcome to the site!! i agree with you to a certain point. i think both the h22 and the j30 can be equally to modified to go just as fast! its just a matter of the parts you buy etc.! it also depends on the driver whoes driving the car!

clracer97

good topic! some people say cl's arent meant to be race cars (especially the 3.0) but it all depends on how you look at your car and how much you want to modify it!

TeamBlurryCL

clracer97, good debate. . . .you lost your cool a few times, but you brought up some good points

clracer97

lol i wasnt the only one to lose my cool team blurry.. but yea its true! people say civics arent meant to be race cars but that doesnt stop civic enthusiasts from modifying there cars to go fast!!