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Originally Posted by 03TL-S
heres a better pic of the 05 interior for the G just for comparisons sake. Now back to topic.
Now how does that look cheap?
Now how does that look cheap?
Nice pic though. Looks like the 05 G took some styling cues from BMW's 3-series IMHO.
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Originally Posted by gavriil
Actually Nissan has an opportunity here. Why?
If the Z06 will truly be in the mid 60s or even low 70s then there is a huge gap between it and the base C6 model.
So if I am Nissan, I'd make sure the Skyline makes 500HP and pricing it right smack in the middle of the C6 and the Z06. There is your dilema now as a potential Z06 owner: "WHy not save $10K and go with the Skyline which is super exclusive anyway for similar performance?"
Otherwise, as I said above, if the SKyline will perform like a C6 then it has got to be priced in the low 40Ks if it's going to be remotely successful sales-wise.
If the Z06 will truly be in the mid 60s or even low 70s then there is a huge gap between it and the base C6 model.
So if I am Nissan, I'd make sure the Skyline makes 500HP and pricing it right smack in the middle of the C6 and the Z06. There is your dilema now as a potential Z06 owner: "WHy not save $10K and go with the Skyline which is super exclusive anyway for similar performance?"
Otherwise, as I said above, if the SKyline will perform like a C6 then it has got to be priced in the low 40Ks if it's going to be remotely successful sales-wise.
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The infiniti service is more than icing on the cake. I totally agree. Whenever I think of any non-luxury car as a potential buyer, I am immediately turned off when I think of the crappy service I will get when I need it. Luxury service is a huge factor currently, combined with the extended warranty that comes with it. Three vs. four years is a big difference.
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Originally Posted by titan
^ Yeap. Nothing like sipping lattes, playing put-put in the dealership, and driving in an Infiniti loaner car to build that customer loyalty.
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b) Porsche 911 Turbo is going down... in fact, it seems Nissan are already claiming victory (???)... such is their confidence after the Nurburgring tests. Apparently, the first test failed because some driveline hardware was faulty, but the subsequent 2 tests were successful enough for Nissan to make final decisions on the driveline: 3.2L V6 Twin electric-assisted Turbo, FR-L platform (Primary Front engine/Rear wheel drive transaxle, motor-assisted front wheel drive or "e-4WD") with Getrag 7-speed sequential gearbox.
After much deliberation about 3.0, 3.5 and even 4.1L capacities for the VQ engine, they've decided on 3.2. The thing to bear in mind here is the Porsche 911 Turbo... it seems Nissan may want to defeat Porsche with less capacity...
Expected final power output: 480ps @ 7,200rpm, 58.0kg/m @ 5,200rpm.
c) Other specs of note are the "semi-wet sump" (as opposed to the dry sump originally quoted) and the aluminum space frame, steel cabin and bulk usage of carbon throughout.
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sounds very nice. they're going turbo after all i see. i wonder how Honda and Toyota (if they actually are going to) are going to compete with their cars.
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Originally Posted by gavriil
Man!
So many points I disagree with here...
First, what is wrong with the FM platform? You call it a can like it's a Yugo. The FM platform is one of the best platforms in its class right now from any point of view. Nissan/Infiniti have based so many cars on it, it's showed how flexible it can be. And all have been successful. Think if of the Z, the M, the Gs. I mean, it's a total success story.
Infiniti has some issues with interior quality of materials with the G. That's it though, so I dont see a point there either.
Another VQ car? That better have been meant as a compliment for the Skyline. The VQ engine is probably the best V6 ever produced! Read ward's auto on another thread abou the 10 best engines of 2005. The VQ is the only engine making the list for 11 years in a row. No other engine has managed that feat. So what's wrong with the VQ?
Finally, the reason the previous M did not sell is mostly due to its looks and handling characteristics. The case is pretty much the same for the Q also. But as you see they have fixed the M and mind you, it will sell way better than the previous M. So now they need to fix the next Q and the G's interior and they have a great lineup.
Infiniti deserves praise by all enthusiasts. They have corrected so many things in such short period of time, they need to be teaching their techniques to pretty much every other auto manufacturer.
So many points I disagree with here...
First, what is wrong with the FM platform? You call it a can like it's a Yugo. The FM platform is one of the best platforms in its class right now from any point of view. Nissan/Infiniti have based so many cars on it, it's showed how flexible it can be. And all have been successful. Think if of the Z, the M, the Gs. I mean, it's a total success story.
Infiniti has some issues with interior quality of materials with the G. That's it though, so I dont see a point there either.
Another VQ car? That better have been meant as a compliment for the Skyline. The VQ engine is probably the best V6 ever produced! Read ward's auto on another thread abou the 10 best engines of 2005. The VQ is the only engine making the list for 11 years in a row. No other engine has managed that feat. So what's wrong with the VQ?
Finally, the reason the previous M did not sell is mostly due to its looks and handling characteristics. The case is pretty much the same for the Q also. But as you see they have fixed the M and mind you, it will sell way better than the previous M. So now they need to fix the next Q and the G's interior and they have a great lineup.
Infiniti deserves praise by all enthusiasts. They have corrected so many things in such short period of time, they need to be teaching their techniques to pretty much every other auto manufacturer.
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Gav, you hit it right on the dot. HOWEVER, (sorry to hate so much), the QX has not been that big of a success. I blame it, however, on the "Big and Roomy" Large SUV "Fad" ending. Appart from that, however, I like what Nissan did to make the Armada into a luxury car. Despite the same exact interior layout, the QX's materials are noticeable better.
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Originally Posted by F23A4
Although they were compared to each other, the Z, Supra and 3000GT were never sports cars like the Corvette. Rather they were more like high-tech import versions of the Mustang GT, Z28 and T/A. To wit, that high tech aspect led to much higher MSRPs (as much as $62k for the 3000GT VR4 Spyder) that ultimately led to their demise. Admittedly, I dont know what'll come of the new GTR, in terms of the buying public.
And due to the Supras popularity I can find articles that brind the Supra into comparos with a ZR1 and 911 :
Originally Posted by gavriil
The Supra, 300Z TT, etc never went directly agains the Vette. They were a Vette alternative for "high tech lovers". Until they shot themselves in the foot and went extinct.
If the Skyline is priced for as much as a base C6, then it will sell fine. Otherwise it wont.
Finally, the STi and Evo are not selling "in large numbers" you wrote. That depends on what you compare them with. If you compare them with the Camry, certainly. But they are supposed to be exclusive cars appealing to a niche market. Same for the Skyline only the price will be higher than the Evo/Sti segment.
If the Skyline is priced for as much as a base C6, then it will sell fine. Otherwise it wont.
Finally, the STi and Evo are not selling "in large numbers" you wrote. That depends on what you compare them with. If you compare them with the Camry, certainly. But they are supposed to be exclusive cars appealing to a niche market. Same for the Skyline only the price will be higher than the Evo/Sti segment.
I remember an article where they were all compared, forget who won, but non the less I think the cars themselves were within a market.
I'm comparing them(evo&sti) in sorta the same sense I would a vette as a niche car. The vette sells great as a kick ass two door, the evo/sti are jdm hype that really don't sell that much at all. The 350z was able to walk in on those (vette)niche sales because of the value/looks, but beyond 40k a brand like Nissan doesn't hold any value. Its sorta like paying 35k for a hyundai that offers more, why when I have name brands?
Nissan developing a car at this point that would fall into that category of hardcore performance like a zo6 doesn't make sense to me considering everything they've ever done at this point has been to get sales and honestly I see no point in a nissan phaeton to go against the vette. Theres no reason for it. The vette is a one man team, its not a market(chevy has a vette following). All other cars at that price point are luxury cars.
My guess for the GTR at this point is an Infiniti g45, 370hp. Ghosn said the 911 was the benchmark, he even crashed the damn car(company?!! 911), and he's never been wrong yet. And relating to the article, if a zr1 didn't make it, which was way above a zo6 at the time compared to the normal vette, theres no way the base vette ever had tops in the category.
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Originally Posted by gocubsgo55
sounds very nice. they're going turbo after all i see. i wonder how Honda and Toyota (if they actually are going to) are going to compete with their cars.
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Originally Posted by gocubsgo55
Gav, you hit it right on the dot. HOWEVER, (sorry to hate so much), the QX has not been that big of a success. I blame it, however, on the "Big and Roomy" Large SUV "Fad" ending. Appart from that, however, I like what Nissan did to make the Armada into a luxury car. Despite the same exact interior layout, the QX's materials are noticeable better.
Agreed about the QX but since it's not available currently, it's really a moot point for Infiniti's future.
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is it just me or does the instrument cluster look like its floating in that pic? btw i think the G35 interior looks a little better than the previous interior, so its a good change. but the change is still pretty minor.
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Someone here said it before, but I lost it in all these posts, that the GT-R will never be a competitor of the Corvette. These are two completely different cars with completely different images. A person in the market for a Corvette wouldn't even concider this car or any other. They are not the cross shoppers that look at cars with similar horsepower numbers in the same price range. They are looking for a Corvette. Who cares if this car has this much more power, or cost this much less...they will eventually soup it up and if they are spending that much money, what's another few grand. The typical Corvette owner is like 50 and retired.
I personaly wouldn't concider buying a Corvetter because I don't fit the image and it's not an image I want for myself. When you pay that much for a car it's more about image. Just look at the Bimmer drivers, or worse, ///M drivers
. The "typical" BMW owner wouldn't buy a G35 or M45. I say "typical" because people believe all BMW drivers are this way, but they are not.
I don't mean to label and categorize people and their cars, but for the most part and from a marketing standpoint...it's true.
I personaly wouldn't concider buying a Corvetter because I don't fit the image and it's not an image I want for myself. When you pay that much for a car it's more about image. Just look at the Bimmer drivers, or worse, ///M drivers
. The "typical" BMW owner wouldn't buy a G35 or M45. I say "typical" because people believe all BMW drivers are this way, but they are not.I don't mean to label and categorize people and their cars, but for the most part and from a marketing standpoint...it's true.
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Spied testing with G35 body
Japan’s Future Rockets - - Source: Autoweek
Meanwhile, the car Nissan chief Carlos Ghosn has promised in time for the 2007 Tokyo motor show—the Skyline GT-R—appears to be running through its paces in the form of a super-powered, special-bodied Infiniti G35 Coupe (below). The all-wheel-drive Skyline will be powered by a 450-hp, twin-turbocharged V6 engine, with suspension tuned by Lotus engineers.
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Originally Posted by gavriil
I hope the R35 GTR great because the R34 GTR was just simply awesome!!
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...nearly 2 mos later....
Originally Posted by heyitsme
I don't think the Supra or 300zx were ever near being compared to a mustang or z28 and instead think the cars themselves were ahead of the times/market where the corvette was able to maintain due to it being an icon.
And due to the Supras popularity I can find articles that brind the Supra into comparos with a ZR1 and 911 :
And due to the Supras popularity I can find articles that brind the Supra into comparos with a ZR1 and 911 :
Incidentally, is this the same Motor Trend that conducted an in depth comparison between the MB CLK55 and Pontiac GTO?
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Originally Posted by gavriil
This car has taken way too long to finish. Not that it has. It better be good. Real good.
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Maybe the same focus group that rejected the looks on the Sentra, made Nissan go back to the drawing board with the GT-R.
How does anyone know (other than the engineers) what's under that G35 body?
How does anyone know (other than the engineers) what's under that G35 body?
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Originally Posted by titan
Damn right. This car is wwaayyy long. Just like the next Sentra. I know that they want to get it right, but damn. And at this point, 450HP just feels a little low. 500HP would make me smile more.
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Originally Posted by MaximaPower
hmmm...i dont think they're taking long at all...the G35 and 350Z are still fairly new and still creating the "sportiness" of infiniti and nissan....kinda like establishing themselves in the sports car category in the US til godzilla comes
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Originally Posted by F23A4
At this point, the new GTR may be on a V36 platform as the V35 is already well into it's 3rd model year. With talk of the new GTR being a 2007MY or 2008MY, it'll more than likely be on a new platform (unless Nissan extends the V35 a year or two...a la B15 Sentra).
look at all the kinks nissan had to work out for the Z and G35
the Z & G35 needed time to set the tone for the GTR, since i'm guessing it'll b priced much higher than the other two
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I'm a big Nissan fan and I own a Z, but I agree that it's taken Nissan too long to get this Skyline released. I'm sick of the news and lost much of the excitement I previously had for the car. I'm sure it will be great if it's ever released.
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Originally Posted by stangg172004
this shit better be good, i mean come on, im sick of waiting to c how its going to look/perform/be priced/come here/ext
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
Wonder what the pricetag will be?
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guys keep in mind, they had an R35 set in the plans, then Nissan almost went bankrupt. When Messiah Ghosn came, he turned them around and promised to restore the GT-R building program.
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The Gtr pre-USA is one thing, it will be interesting to see how they have to adapt the car in order to sell it here and around the world including Japan where buyers are used to turbo powerz. Think F/I would satisfy japanese tuners, luxury performance buyers and worldwide tuners at the same time.
Without F/I, large V8, 5.0+ with heavy nismo aftermarket support.
Without F/I, large V8, 5.0+ with heavy nismo aftermarket support.