CCColtsicehockey

Chief F1 Fan

neither of which is a wagon (USA-wise)

00TL-P3.2

True, I hated the Audi-7 when it came out, but have grown to quite like it now.
I'd still have an AMG E-wagen over an RS7 though [/mbfanboi]

CCColtsicehockey

According to Motortrend it is coming to the US!!!

2017 Jaguar XF Sportbrake Wagon Coming to U.S. - Motor Trend

00TL-P3.2

Shocking, but a good looking wagon!

SamDoe1

^ No way that'll come to the US. Jag has a hard time convincing people to buy their sedans let alone a wagon.

00TL-P3.2

Shocking, but a good looking wagon!

CCColtsicehockey

They are just artist renderings from the not going to be produced Cadillac into a wagon but damn it looks good.

Chief F1 Fan

I like it-looks long and I like the sloping roofline

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

First time in 6 years of ownership that I turned off ESP fully and had some fun in the snow. The car was very controllable with some GT Radial summer tires.

SO fun.


IMG_2728 by JS + MS3, on Flickr


IMG_2823 by JS + MS3, on Flickr


IMG_2825 by JS + MS3, on Flickr

Chief F1 Fan

I bet you loved the vibrations coming through the chassis after you got out on the pavement again due to all that snow in the wheels.

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

haha yeah it felt very weird for like 15 mins driving down the hill. Everything was gone and dried up by the time I got down to the base though. LA weather problem haha

CCColtsicehockey

How did that Spoon looking race car look in person?

oonowindoo

What is worse in snow? AWD with summer tires or RWD with all season tires?

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

Excellent. He tracks it very often. I will be working on a few more interior pieces and will be doing a nice photoshoot for him. Can't wait.



I wonder that all the time too haha I don't know!

CCColtsicehockey

Awesome! Can't wait to see the shoot.

RPhilMan1

When did you get new wheels for the Avant? They look great.

Chief F1 Fan

IMO, the biggest misnomer or belief is that "all season" tires are truly all season. I've seen tests showing winter tires performing better in the rain than all season tires. I'd think in your scenario, RWD with all season's would be worse while either in deep snow, both would be terrifying. Yesterday we got 3-4' of snow in the space of 7 hours. I've got Yokohoma Snow tires on my AWD 530xi T which is a rock star in the snow. I cannot even imagine trying to drive around yesterday in anything but a car so equipped.

00TL-P3.2

^ I can attest to economy all seasons not being any good in winter conditions.
We were in Idaho over the weekend, one of the guys was in a rental Forester & it just plowed straight ahead a few times on snowy/icy roads. Even driving straight on decent roads, it was squirrely.

CCColtsicehockey

The only all seasons tires I have ever used that I thought were pretty darn good in up to 3-4inches of snow were Continental DWS and Michilan Pilot Sport AS. They also are rated yearly as the two best all season tires out there so it is no wonder why. You get what you pay for and I agree winter tires are great and can make even RWD cars great in the snow.

KaMLuNg

iTrader: (5)

i had the DWS on my Lexus and made it through a few inches of snow without any problems... i even made it up a very big hill where some SUVs got stuck because they stopped their momentum... DWS came on the Vagon but i have dedicated blizzaks now so when the DWS goes i'll switch to the DW series... i think Conti makes a great A/S tire so i'll stick with them...

SamDoe1

AWD with summer tires will be worse every time. They just aren't designed to evacuate snow and also turn into hockey pucks in the cold. I drove my 330Xi with summer tires in the snow once and couldn't even get up my driveway, which isn't that steep, with ~1" of snow on it. I had to park on the street, clear the driveway, and then go up. The tires were promptly switched to Blizzaks as this was really early in the season and the snow was a surprise.

All season tires can at least be somewhat effective in snow but are nowhere near as good as legitimate snow tires.

Chief F1 Fan

If this has been posted before, bite me but I'd definitely rock one of these S90 wagons

00TL-P3.2

Definitely an attractive wagon. Been a long time since I've driven any form of Volvo, so no idea on how they drive.

Chief F1 Fan

I'd much rather buy this wagon than having to resort to an X5, Grand Cherokee, whatever which I thought was going to be my direction.

00TL-P3.2

Can't go wrong there. Dropping the BMW for a Volvo, or adding a 2nd wagon?

Chief F1 Fan

I see having to replace the 530xi T in the next 2 years so just planning ahead.

oonowindoo

in 2 years, there could be a G31 Wagon... or 6 series GT

Chief F1 Fan

I'm no fan of the GT line of BMW's cars, not by a long shot. I don't want new anyways, I want CPO

00TL-P3.2

CPO E63 Estate

Chief F1 Fan

Hmmm, NO-not an MBZ kinda guy

oonowindoo

Cpo rs7...

Chief F1 Fan

not a wagon. Don't make me come over there and kick yer ass

oonowindoo

Hey, you are the picky one with $$.

00TL-P3.2

That said, a 6GC & an RS7 would be a garage....

CCColtsicehockey

The RS7 is a blast to drive even if it really isn't a wagon.

Chief F1 Fan

that would be a garage, however, it would also be a redundant garage since those 2 cars are in the same niche.

oonowindoo

RS7 is a lot more practical than 6GC since it is a Hatch... not redundant at all

Chief F1 Fan

I was speaking in terms of the GC, A7 and MBZ, the CLS and the Panamera are all in the same niche.

oonowindoo

Yah there is really nothing out there that is comparable to your 5 Wagon anymore.