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Old Apr 26, 2006 | 07:12 PM
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I have a question and you guys always have informative answers. So here oges. I was under the impression that buffers were not very good to use. I thought that they left Swirl Marks. I always done all of my Detailing by hand. If a Buffer is good which one is because I would sure like a tool to make waxing on and off easier. I thought that I was a decent detailer until I met you guys. I have a whole lot of products coming and want to make sure that I get optimum results.

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Old Apr 26, 2006 | 07:42 PM
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Don't buy a buffer just to apply wax. It's not worth paying money just for that. I'd recommend you to get a buffer if you wanted to remove swirls. Swirl removal by hand is very tiring and time consuming and you won't come close to the results of a machine. When buffing off your dried wax, use a microfibre cloth by hand or a microfibre bonnet over a stiff foam pad on the buffer.
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Old Apr 26, 2006 | 08:20 PM
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A random orbital buffer, such as the ones made by Porter Cable willl not produce swirl marks. Even a complete novice, like me, who is "mechanically-challenged" had no problem in using a PC 7336 (I think that's the model number) to remove swirl marks quite effectively.

A PC with the right supplies (pads, polishers, etc) for the job will work wonders. I also used it to apply sealant. It works great.

The PC 7336 can be had at Lowes for $109.

Do a search here on "Porter Cable" and you should find lots of good info on where to get a PC online (along with supplies) and also on how to use it.
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Old Apr 26, 2006 | 10:13 PM
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The model number is PC 7336 for the model with the 6" counterweight, and 7424 for the model with the 5" counterweight. Either will serve you well. Lowes has the 7336 - I do all my work with it (you can see it at my homepage).
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Old Apr 27, 2006 | 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by aaronng
Don't buy a buffer just to apply wax. It's not worth paying money just for that. I'd recommend you to get a buffer if you wanted to remove swirls. Swirl removal by hand is very tiring and time consuming and you won't come close to the results of a machine. When buffing off your dried wax, use a microfibre cloth by hand or a microfibre bonnet over a stiff foam pad on the buffer.
Though my car is realtively new. I believe that I do have some swirl marks.
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Old Apr 27, 2006 | 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by BRH
A random orbital buffer, such as the ones made by Porter Cable willl not produce swirl marks. Even a complete novice, like me, who is "mechanically-challenged" had no problem in using a PC 7336 (I think that's the model number) to remove swirl marks quite effectively.

A PC with the right supplies (pads, polishers, etc) for the job will work wonders. I also used it to apply sealant. It works great.

The PC 7336 can be had at Lowes for $109.

Do a search here on "Porter Cable" and you should find lots of good info on where to get a PC online (along with supplies) and also on how to use it.
I will look for the model# that you suggested.
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Old Apr 27, 2006 | 12:24 AM
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The model number is PC 7336 for the model with the 6" counterweight, and 7424 for the model with the 5" counterweight. Either will serve you well. Lowes has the 7336 - I do all my work with it (you can see it at my homepage).
I went to your homepage. Great work. My wife has a 350Z. I intend to detail her car as well. I have a Clay Kit, a sealent wax and Canuba on the way.. I am officially addicted.
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Old Apr 27, 2006 | 07:33 AM
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Haha, see you over at Autopia!
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Old Jun 7, 2006 | 09:18 PM
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why does a Porter Cable dont produce swirl marks compared to cheaper buffers??? I thought it depends on the pads. Im thing of just purchasing a cheap buffer for the swirl remover and cant justify paying 100$ for a PC yet since im a newb at detailing.
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Old Jun 7, 2006 | 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by whatjones911
why does a Porter Cable dont produce swirl marks compared to cheaper buffers??? I thought it depends on the pads. Im thing of just purchasing a cheap buffer for the swirl remover and cant justify paying 100$ for a PC yet since im a newb at detailing.
I've always used Craftsman Orbitals with great success, and have never gotten swirls from them. You can get a Craftsman 6" orbital for about $30, or a 9-10" for probably under $60.
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 12:52 AM
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We need to talk....
The PC as referred to use orbital and concentric motion. Sort of random circles within circles...It can cause swirls, but this is usually at the users discretion. Sometimes you need to remove heavier swirls, with lighter swirls, then step your pad/product combo down, until you have removed the lighter phase swirls. This is normal protocol when removing severely neglected paint. Liken it to sanding down some rough textured wood. You use a course sandpaper, then downscale until its nice and smooth......
The problem with the Craftsmen models is they're not capable of doing this. Nor are there many product options beyond wax removal or light polishing
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by JackieO
The model number is PC 7336 for the model with the 6" counterweight, and 7424 for the model with the 5" counterweight. Either will serve you well. Lowes has the 7336 - I do all my work with it (you can see it at my homepage).
I've check Lowe's in my area and they do not carry it here. FYI.
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 01:19 PM
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www.coastaltool.com has the 7424 withthe velcro backing plate and the proper counter weight for $119. ..

My web page also has a link in the drop downs to using the PC .
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