New Tire Choice
#1
New Tire Choice
Going to need new tires very soon and i know a lot of guys here use the Continental , but i have had them and they simply dont last long for a All Season tire. IMHO
Considering Michilen or the Pirelli P Zero Nero (65K )
Any thoughts ?
Also like to bump up one size on width and aspect.
Whats my limatation for tire size ?
Considering Michilen or the Pirelli P Zero Nero (65K )
Any thoughts ?
Also like to bump up one size on width and aspect.
Whats my limatation for tire size ?
#2
One on the right for me
I've been partial to Bridgestone for the last 7 or 8 years although I just put on some BF tires this last round. You can do 255/40/17 no issues.
Those Pirelli's won't give you any more tire life and probably less.
Those Pirelli's won't give you any more tire life and probably less.
#5
I've had the Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric and Bridgestone Potenza RE970AS Pole Position. Neither came close to mileage claims. Preferred the Eagle F1s, but damn did they wear fast.
I wanted to try a symmetric tire and found Capitol UHP tires that a local Honda dealer ordered and installed, mainly to see if any tire would get the claimed mileage on the TL. They're decent tires, definitely not the F1s though.
Been OK so far, more cautious with rain than name brand tires though.
I may try the General GMAX next.
I wanted to try a symmetric tire and found Capitol UHP tires that a local Honda dealer ordered and installed, mainly to see if any tire would get the claimed mileage on the TL. They're decent tires, definitely not the F1s though.
Been OK so far, more cautious with rain than name brand tires though.
I may try the General GMAX next.
#6
One on the right for me
I've had some time to put mileage on the BF tires. Little more road noise. Not enough driving to gauge wear. But at $50/tire less than the Brigestone it made sense. I would be surprised if mileage is worse.
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Going to need new tires very soon and i know a lot of guys here use the Continental , but i have had them and they simply dont last long for a All Season tire. IMHO
Considering Michilen or the Pirelli P Zero Nero (65K )
Any thoughts ?
Also like to bump up one size on width and aspect.
Whats my limatation for tire size ?
Considering Michilen or the Pirelli P Zero Nero (65K )
Any thoughts ?
Also like to bump up one size on width and aspect.
Whats my limatation for tire size ?
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#8
My wife went 80k (90% highway) on a set of Michelin primacy. No real performance from the tire but as a strict commuter it was good. Tread was still good at 80k for summer but two tires were not holding air and it was time.
I run continentals extreme contact summer on my WRX and they have a soft sidewall like the DWS. Just need to up the pressure to 38 and they are pretty good.
I like the DWS, but remember it's good winter performance only lasts about two seasons. But then again most A/S are a compromise. I went with two sets of rims and snows for my WRX, pretty much unstoppable in the winter.
Now that I have taken over my wife's TL as well, I would likely get the DWS if I felt I would need to use it in the snow. Since I have my WRX, I can take that on snow days so I might go Michelin for more mileage. Depends where you live and how many snow days you get.
I run continentals extreme contact summer on my WRX and they have a soft sidewall like the DWS. Just need to up the pressure to 38 and they are pretty good.
I like the DWS, but remember it's good winter performance only lasts about two seasons. But then again most A/S are a compromise. I went with two sets of rims and snows for my WRX, pretty much unstoppable in the winter.
Now that I have taken over my wife's TL as well, I would likely get the DWS if I felt I would need to use it in the snow. Since I have my WRX, I can take that on snow days so I might go Michelin for more mileage. Depends where you live and how many snow days you get.
#9
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My wife went 80k (90% highway) on a set of Michelin primacy. No real performance from the tire but as a strict commuter it was good. Tread was still good at 80k for summer but two tires were not holding air and it was time.
I run continentals extreme contact summer on my WRX and they have a soft sidewall like the DWS. Just need to up the pressure to 38 and they are pretty good.
I like the DWS, but remember it's good winter performance only lasts about two seasons. But then again most A/S are a compromise. I went with two sets of rims and snows for my WRX, pretty much unstoppable in the winter.
Now that I have taken over my wife's TL as well, I would likely get the DWS if I felt I would need to use it in the snow. Since I have my WRX, I can take that on snow days so I might go Michelin for more mileage. Depends where you live and how many snow days you get.
I run continentals extreme contact summer on my WRX and they have a soft sidewall like the DWS. Just need to up the pressure to 38 and they are pretty good.
I like the DWS, but remember it's good winter performance only lasts about two seasons. But then again most A/S are a compromise. I went with two sets of rims and snows for my WRX, pretty much unstoppable in the winter.
Now that I have taken over my wife's TL as well, I would likely get the DWS if I felt I would need to use it in the snow. Since I have my WRX, I can take that on snow days so I might go Michelin for more mileage. Depends where you live and how many snow days you get.
DWS are ok at best in the snow new. This past winter I switched to general snow tires and haven looked back at all seasons.
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The DWS side wall is much softer than the DW. I have AutoX the DW and its is hands down better for side wall stiffness, I would say 38psi seems a little high for the DW but it really depends on tire temp readings.
DWS are ok at best in the snow new. This past winter I switched to general snow tires and haven looked back at all seasons.
DWS are ok at best in the snow new. This past winter I switched to general snow tires and haven looked back at all seasons.
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I took off continental purecontact tires that had less then 15K on them cuz they flat spotted (never had this problem on oem Michelin). Put on Hankook Ventus V2 Concept 2 and liking them so far. Stiff sidewall so the ride is going to be little more harsher (at least it was compared to the Conti's). But its handles wonderful in dry and wet weather even with my aggressive driving.
Ventus V2 concept 2 H457 - Stylish | Economic Tires | Hankook Tire Global
Ventus V2 concept 2 H457 - Stylish | Economic Tires | Hankook Tire Global
#16
Got pirelli sottozero. I live in canada so i need good winter tires. I've purchased them 2 years ago and dont change them in summer, i keep em on 365. So far after just a little over 2 years, I got about 20% wear. Considering winters tires in summer wear off a lot faster, i'm very happy with them. They are exceptionally grippy on snow and ice, i literally feel indestructible with them after a 12in snowstorm. Most other cars are very slow and I just take off from a red light like if it were summer. I've seen my ABS a lot less since i got them.
Can't go wrong with Pirellis. If youre in Canada, i can set you up with a great deal. My buddy owns a tire shop and his prices are really good even without the friend discount. Got the entire set for 600$ including taxes and shipping
As for dimensions, i think the TL has 2 options, 225/45/17 or 235/45/17. Went with the latter. You can increase tire diameter as long as you stay within the same ratio. If you want 18's, chose 265/35/18. For 19's 265/30/19
Can't go wrong with Pirellis. If youre in Canada, i can set you up with a great deal. My buddy owns a tire shop and his prices are really good even without the friend discount. Got the entire set for 600$ including taxes and shipping
As for dimensions, i think the TL has 2 options, 225/45/17 or 235/45/17. Went with the latter. You can increase tire diameter as long as you stay within the same ratio. If you want 18's, chose 265/35/18. For 19's 265/30/19
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#17
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The 760 is a big car! The side wall flexes on the DW more than some high performance tires but it's probably for ride compliance. I look at tire pressure based of the tire roll over marks on the edge of the tread for AutoX and run near stock psi for DD'ing. Tire temps need to be looked at in order to determine tire pressures and chamber for a race app.
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I currently have the Yokohama YK580's on my TL. They're the first tires I've had on it, but have been very happy with them. I currently have about 23,000 miles on them, and they are wearing very well. I guestimate they have another 20,000 miles left to them.
When I first bought them they were very squishy for the first 200 miles or so, but they stiffened up very well. They are noisy on smooth pavement, but wet/dry traction is very good with good feedback. Snow use is pretty good, as I've only used them a little in the snow when I visited NY.
I think I got all 4 from Discount tire for $625. Oh, and I bought 245/40-17 (or 45 aspect ration maybe?) and they fit well. I like the extra width.
When I first bought them they were very squishy for the first 200 miles or so, but they stiffened up very well. They are noisy on smooth pavement, but wet/dry traction is very good with good feedback. Snow use is pretty good, as I've only used them a little in the snow when I visited NY.
I think I got all 4 from Discount tire for $625. Oh, and I bought 245/40-17 (or 45 aspect ration maybe?) and they fit well. I like the extra width.
#19
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I picked up 245/45-17
The tread does look a lot beefier than what pictures illustrate.
The sidewall seems a bit softer compared to my DWS. I'm comparing this on unmounted tires.
Maybe they'll stiffen up when installed.
I still haven't gotten around to mounting the general yet. Hopefully this Thursday I can get it done....
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#20
fly ...currious to hear your thoughts.
I am in NW Ohio and in need of tires this fall.
Based on reviews and the size I need it looks like these are my options I have to narrow down to....(235/35R19)
Continental DWS06,
Goodyear Eagle F1
Bridestone RE970AS
General GMAx AS03
tread life
wet/snow grip
noise
dry traction handling least concern as they will all do fine for my daily comuting, as the car not at the track!
I am in NW Ohio and in need of tires this fall.
Based on reviews and the size I need it looks like these are my options I have to narrow down to....(235/35R19)
Continental DWS06,
Goodyear Eagle F1
Bridestone RE970AS
General GMAx AS03
tread life
wet/snow grip
noise
dry traction handling least concern as they will all do fine for my daily comuting, as the car not at the track!
#21
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Just got a set of new tires last week.
My first set of new tires I put on 3.5 years ago were Continental DWS because I heard so many good things about them. Then I got the Yokohama YHK 580. For my newest set I got the YHK 580s again.
My thoughts:
Continental DWS - Good dry tire (if inflate them a little more due to soft sidewalls), very good wet tire, good winter tire (was able to use them when we got 13 inches of snow/ice one winter and was able to make it 15 miles to work). HOWEVER, only got 19,700 miles out of them aka shitty tread life.. especially since it was rated 50k miles.
YHK 580s - Good dry (stiffer sidewalls) and wet tire and decent winter tire (drove a little bit this past winter in snow/ice with about 26k miles already on them and did fine, but I don't think as well as the DWS'). Got 31,600 miles out of them. Acceptable for a 45k tire.
With my driving style, I know there is no way I will ever get the max rated miles out of a tire, but the 19,700 out of the DWS was pitiful. Overall, I liked the YHK 580s much better than the DWS' so I got a new set of the YHK 580s.
My first set of new tires I put on 3.5 years ago were Continental DWS because I heard so many good things about them. Then I got the Yokohama YHK 580. For my newest set I got the YHK 580s again.
My thoughts:
Continental DWS - Good dry tire (if inflate them a little more due to soft sidewalls), very good wet tire, good winter tire (was able to use them when we got 13 inches of snow/ice one winter and was able to make it 15 miles to work). HOWEVER, only got 19,700 miles out of them aka shitty tread life.. especially since it was rated 50k miles.
YHK 580s - Good dry (stiffer sidewalls) and wet tire and decent winter tire (drove a little bit this past winter in snow/ice with about 26k miles already on them and did fine, but I don't think as well as the DWS'). Got 31,600 miles out of them. Acceptable for a 45k tire.
With my driving style, I know there is no way I will ever get the max rated miles out of a tire, but the 19,700 out of the DWS was pitiful. Overall, I liked the YHK 580s much better than the DWS' so I got a new set of the YHK 580s.
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Just got a set of new tires last week.
My first set of new tires I put on 3.5 years ago were Continental DWS because I heard so many good things about them. Then I got the Yokohama YHK 580. For my newest set I got the YHK 580s again.
My thoughts:
Continental DWS - Good dry tire (if inflate them a little more due to soft sidewalls), very good wet tire, good winter tire (was able to use them when we got 13 inches of snow/ice one winter and was able to make it 15 miles to work). HOWEVER, only got 19,700 miles out of them aka shitty tread life.. especially since it was rated 50k miles.
YHK 580s - Good dry (stiffer sidewalls) and wet tire and decent winter tire (drove a little bit this past winter in snow/ice with about 26k miles already on them and did fine, but I don't think as well as the DWS'). Got 31,600 miles out of them. Acceptable for a 45k tire.
With my driving style, I know there is no way I will ever get the max rated miles out of a tire, but the 19,700 out of the DWS was pitiful. Overall, I liked the YHK 580s much better than the DWS' so I got a new set of the YHK 580s.
My first set of new tires I put on 3.5 years ago were Continental DWS because I heard so many good things about them. Then I got the Yokohama YHK 580. For my newest set I got the YHK 580s again.
My thoughts:
Continental DWS - Good dry tire (if inflate them a little more due to soft sidewalls), very good wet tire, good winter tire (was able to use them when we got 13 inches of snow/ice one winter and was able to make it 15 miles to work). HOWEVER, only got 19,700 miles out of them aka shitty tread life.. especially since it was rated 50k miles.
YHK 580s - Good dry (stiffer sidewalls) and wet tire and decent winter tire (drove a little bit this past winter in snow/ice with about 26k miles already on them and did fine, but I don't think as well as the DWS'). Got 31,600 miles out of them. Acceptable for a 45k tire.
With my driving style, I know there is no way I will ever get the max rated miles out of a tire, but the 19,700 out of the DWS was pitiful. Overall, I liked the YHK 580s much better than the DWS' so I got a new set of the YHK 580s.
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I did. Which is why I got a steal for my first set of YHK 580's... I think I paid something like $330 with the warranty from discount.
I heard they made a newer version.. the DWS06. But I just don't trust them, plus I heard DWS' tend to flat spot more often than other tires. And I'm happy with the Yokohamas.
I heard they made a newer version.. the DWS06. But I just don't trust them, plus I heard DWS' tend to flat spot more often than other tires. And I'm happy with the Yokohamas.
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I'm sure Discount Tire and Tire Rack are reputable companies, but I believe tires are one of those items you should buy from whomever installs them. That way, you only have one entity to deal with if there's ever a problem.
My 2¢
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#25
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I have the Nitto Motivos on my TLS and I am not impressed. Granted, I have not had a different tire on this car, but these sidewalls seem soft and they lose grip in even basic street turns. Then again, this is my only car with all-season tires. I would like to find a better choice for my next set, though it may be awhile, as these Nittos are new.
#26
I have the brand new DWS06 installed on xxr530s and im experiencing my car pulling slightly to the right and also steering wheel loose/wobbly at 65MPH +. I'm going to take the car back to get it realigned and probably rebalanced.
#27
I also have a set of DWS06 going in this week
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#28
Already had the alignment but need new lower control arms for rear since bolt is seized. So they only did the fronts. Im going to bring the car into a shop with a Hunter road force and see if they can spot anything.
#31
With how cheap OEM base wheels are, I will never understand why people run all-season tires. They all suck. All of them. In fact, suck is in their definition. You simply can't get any kind of decent performance with 1 tire in all seasons.
Summer = Michelin Pilot Super Sport
Winter = Dunlop SP Winter Sport 3D
Neither of these tires will break the bank, and are the best value for the dollar IMO.
Summer = Michelin Pilot Super Sport
Winter = Dunlop SP Winter Sport 3D
Neither of these tires will break the bank, and are the best value for the dollar IMO.
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Or suck because they don't generate lots of road noise after 5K miles like summer tires?
Or suck because they work better than summer tires during those sudden cold sub-zero mornings in October-November at high altitudes?
I can use a summer UHP all year because I live in coastal SoCal; most people can't. I can probably afford $700+ every year for a set of tires, but prefer not to. I autocross occasionally, but the TL is my only car, so a good all-season UHP or great GT tire make a better choice for me than a sucky summer tire.
The Bridgestone Potenza RE970AS tires seem much better than the OEM Michelins MXM4 (GT class) and a little better than the Advan S.4 in dry traction, feel and road noise.
The Michelin Pilot A/S 3 now has the best test results on Tire Rack, but past Michelins sets hardened and lost some grip after 20K miles, although they can last 45K+ miles.
Maybe I'll switch to a summer tire for the next set-- because they wouldn't suck in L.A.
#35
Do you mean all-seasons "suck" because they last more than 15K miles, unlike summer tires?
Or suck because they don't generate lots of road noise after 5K miles like summer tires?
Or suck because they work better than summer tires during those sudden cold sub-zero mornings in October-November at high altitudes?
Or suck because they don't generate lots of road noise after 5K miles like summer tires?
Or suck because they work better than summer tires during those sudden cold sub-zero mornings in October-November at high altitudes?
1. If you're worried about tire wear, buy a Prius.
2. That depends on the tire, some dedicated Summer tires remain quiet throughout their life.
3. There is a such thing as a weather forecast, and if you have a telephone that supports apps, you can even get this info on your phone!! This will allow you to swap your wheel/tire combo, taking all of a half-hour, and providing you with the performance you need on those sub-zero mornings.
So are you lazy, or broke? Sounds like both.
All-season tires suck, and very few people actually live in a climate that can benefit from them.
Now, about that Prius...
#37
Actually, let me explain that I feel so strongly about tires because they are the #1 performance enhancement or detriment you can do to your car, and many people just skip right over this, opting for tires that really degrade the performance of their cars. Even manufacturers do this.
Nothing beats the right set of tires, and few things are worse than the wrong set IMO.
Of course, this is just my opinion.
Nothing beats the right set of tires, and few things are worse than the wrong set IMO.
Of course, this is just my opinion.
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Most people, such as OP and myself, do have to compromise, which is exactly where all-seasons excel.
I'm both lazy and cheap, but like a modicum of performance without having to put up with discomfort, noise or lack of space, which is why I have the car and tires that I do. I don't plan on running the Streets of Willow or Infineon/Sonoma Raceway with the TL, so the all-season UHP are a great compromise for the 40-50K miles on each set on the streets and at autocrosses.
"Compromise too much" seems pretty subjective too-- one can get lots of wear or less noise, as opposed to better traction, or better response as opposed to a softer ride, etc. That's why there are dozens of decent all-season tire choices.
Even "summer tires" are compromises, as compared to street legal R-compounds.
BTW, any tires you recommend for OP, all season or otherwise?
What's the "right set of tires," in your opinion?
I'm both lazy and cheap, but like a modicum of performance without having to put up with discomfort, noise or lack of space, which is why I have the car and tires that I do. I don't plan on running the Streets of Willow or Infineon/Sonoma Raceway with the TL, so the all-season UHP are a great compromise for the 40-50K miles on each set on the streets and at autocrosses.
"Compromise too much" seems pretty subjective too-- one can get lots of wear or less noise, as opposed to better traction, or better response as opposed to a softer ride, etc. That's why there are dozens of decent all-season tire choices.
Even "summer tires" are compromises, as compared to street legal R-compounds.
BTW, any tires you recommend for OP, all season or otherwise?
What's the "right set of tires," in your opinion?
#39
My recommendations are listed above. If a guy is extremely budget conscious, then he can pick the Conti DW for Summer, it really is the best bang for the buck, if you want to compromise a little. Nothing is going to beat that Mich Pilot SS though, and it's not even that expensive.
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We disagree as to whether a vehicle can have "solid performance" when daily driven on roads and highways with all-season tires.
BTW, if you're driving on a public road in a manner where the performance between a Michelin PSS and a PS A/S3 makes a difference, you need to either stop driving like a dick or give up your license.
My recommendations are listed above. If a guy is extremely budget conscious, then he can pick the Conti DW for Summer, it really is the best bang for the buck, if you want to compromise a little. Nothing is going to beat that Mich Pilot SS though, and it's not even that expensive.
So, not many members in the ZDX section, huh?
Talk about compromises...