Type-S Production Numbers
This would help so much...
I really dont understand why people are so scared to put their vin out there but its up to them...
I think the hardest part is that the TL-S numbers look to be all over the place and I think you may have a TL-S that is #111111 and a base TL that is 111112 which will make it really hard to get production numbers...
We need a group of VIN's of at least 10 of each trim level...
I really dont understand why people are so scared to put their vin out there but its up to them...
I think the hardest part is that the TL-S numbers look to be all over the place and I think you may have a TL-S that is #111111 and a base TL that is 111112 which will make it really hard to get production numbers...
We need a group of VIN's of at least 10 of each trim level...
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Aspec was a dealer installed option at the time of purchase. folks that added on the Aspec pkg were then registered with Acura as having the Aspec pkg on their TL's VIN (i believe).
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2004: 1,950
2005: 1,955
2006: 1,780
Total: 5,685
So needless to say, Base model TLs with the 6MT are pretty rare. Type-Ss with the 6MT are probably even more rare.
Dealer installed options aren't reflected in the VIN.
[quote=splew;13553492]According to Wikipedia, only 1-40 04-06 TLs were ordered with the 6MT (which is why Acura dropped the MT option for the base model in 07). So with that in mind, here's roughly how many 04-06 6MT TLs were produced:
2004: 1,950
2005: 1,955
2006: 1,780
Total: 5,685
So needless to say, Base model TLs with the 6MT are pretty rare. Type-Ss with the 6MT are probably even more rare.
Depressing. Acura had to know "enthusiasts" would like a 6MT.
2004: 1,950
2005: 1,955
2006: 1,780
Total: 5,685
So needless to say, Base model TLs with the 6MT are pretty rare. Type-Ss with the 6MT are probably even more rare.
Depressing. Acura had to know "enthusiasts" would like a 6MT.
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It actually makes sense. The overwhelming majority of North Americans don't/won't drive a car with a manual transmission (they either don't know how to drive a manual, or simply prefer automatics for the reduced effort). Since the TL was only sold in North America, it explains why so few were ordered with the manual transmission.
The same is true for virtually every car offered with both an automatic and a manual in North America in the last few decades. The automatic always outsells the manual, often by quite a lot.
The same is true for virtually every car offered with both an automatic and a manual in North America in the last few decades. The automatic always outsells the manual, often by quite a lot.
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i didnt' say they were...if you read what i wrote...i said they were registered with ACURA as Aspec added according to VIN as reported by the dealer to ACURA. so no there is NO WAY of knowing how many people actually purchased the Aspec pkg at time of purchase unless ACURA actually releases those numbers based on how many were registered.
of course there is no way to distinguish this option in the VIN alone.
BTW love my 6MT!!!!!
of course there is no way to distinguish this option in the VIN alone.
BTW love my 6MT!!!!!
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i didnt' say they were...if you read what i wrote...i said they were registered with ACURA as Aspec added according to VIN as reported by the dealer to ACURA. so no there is NO WAY of knowing how many people actually purchased the Aspec pkg at time of purchase unless ACURA actually releases those numbers based on how many were registered.
of course there is no way to distinguish this option in the VIN alone.
BTW love my 6MT!!!!!
of course there is no way to distinguish this option in the VIN alone.
BTW love my 6MT!!!!!
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i didnt' say they were...if you read what i wrote...i said they were registered with ACURA as Aspec added according to VIN as reported by the dealer to ACURA. so no there is NO WAY of knowing how many people actually purchased the Aspec pkg at time of purchase unless ACURA actually releases those numbers based on how many were registered.
of course there is no way to distinguish this option in the VIN alone.
BTW love my 6MT!!!!!
of course there is no way to distinguish this option in the VIN alone.
BTW love my 6MT!!!!!
It actually makes sense. The overwhelming majority of North Americans don't/won't drive a car with a manual transmission (they either don't know how to drive a manual, or simply prefer automatics for the reduced effort). Since the TL was only sold in North America, it explains why so few were ordered with the manual transmission.
The same is true for virtually every car offered with both an automatic and a manual in North America in the last few decades. The automatic always outsells the manual, often by quite a lot.
The same is true for virtually every car offered with both an automatic and a manual in North America in the last few decades. The automatic always outsells the manual, often by quite a lot.
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[quote=Otacon;13553700]
I would guess alot of the people that bought TL Type-S's are like me and live in the City...Driving around DC, Baltimore, Philly, and ETC is hell on the leg with a manual...
Been sick all week with a stomach bug...I guess I will need to email corporate a bunch...Luckily I have some pull in the auto-industry as the company that I work with owns a few thousand forums...
According to Wikipedia, only 1-40 04-06 TLs were ordered with the 6MT (which is why Acura dropped the MT option for the base model in 07). So with that in mind, here's roughly how many 04-06 6MT TLs were produced:
2004: 1,950
2005: 1,955
2006: 1,780
Total: 5,685
So needless to say, Base model TLs with the 6MT are pretty rare. Type-Ss with the 6MT are probably even more rare.
Depressing. Acura had to know "enthusiasts" would like a 6MT.
2004: 1,950
2005: 1,955
2006: 1,780
Total: 5,685
So needless to say, Base model TLs with the 6MT are pretty rare. Type-Ss with the 6MT are probably even more rare.
Depressing. Acura had to know "enthusiasts" would like a 6MT.
Been sick all week with a stomach bug...I guess I will need to email corporate a bunch...Luckily I have some pull in the auto-industry as the company that I work with owns a few thousand forums...
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LOL I dont have that kinda time sadly...Plus my work phone is for work only and I cant have cell phones in my building...
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Emailed Acura customer service yesterday and they actually responded...
Dear Mr. Jobe,
Thank you for contacting Acura Client Relations in regards to your question about how many 2007 and 2008 Acura TL Type-S's were produced.
We are currently looking into your request and will be in contact with you within the next 2 business days with an answer to your question.
***************** Please Do Not reply to this email. ******************
Your concerns are very important to us. If you have further questions or concerns please contact our Client Relations office at 800-382-2238.
I will just keep trying until I get an answer...
Dear Mr. Jobe,
Thank you for contacting Acura Client Relations in regards to your question about how many 2007 and 2008 Acura TL Type-S's were produced.
We are currently looking into your request and will be in contact with you within the next 2 business days with an answer to your question.
***************** Please Do Not reply to this email. ******************
Your concerns are very important to us. If you have further questions or concerns please contact our Client Relations office at 800-382-2238.
I will just keep trying until I get an answer...
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how about 04-06 MT???
better question, how many of these "rare" birds is still in service (ie NOT totaled and moved on to the recycled metals afterlife)??
better question, how many of these "rare" birds is still in service (ie NOT totaled and moved on to the recycled metals afterlife)??
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That will be next inquiry...I doubt they will be able to tell us how many are still around...That may be something we wont ever know 100%...
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Well not the greatest news...Seems as though Honda didnt keep the Type-S production numbers...Only the total numbers for the year...
Dear Mr. Jobe,
Thank you again for contacting Acura Client Relations with your request of wanting to know how many Acura TL Type-S’s were produced in 2007 and 2008.
We are able to tell you that in 2007 there were 58,500 TL’s sold, and in 2008 there were 46,700 TL’s sold. We are unable to provide you with further breakdown of trim levels and colors though
Sincerely,
Acura Client Relations
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Going by the numbers and what someone said before about 1 in 10 being a TL Type-S I am guessing its safe to assume about 5,850 TL Type-S's were produced in 2007 and 4,670 were produced in 2008 give or take a few on each...
Dear Mr. Jobe,
Thank you again for contacting Acura Client Relations with your request of wanting to know how many Acura TL Type-S’s were produced in 2007 and 2008.
We are able to tell you that in 2007 there were 58,500 TL’s sold, and in 2008 there were 46,700 TL’s sold. We are unable to provide you with further breakdown of trim levels and colors though
Sincerely,
Acura Client Relations
***************** Please Do Not reply to this email. ******************
Your concerns are very important to us. If you have further questions or concerns please contact our Client Relations office at 800-382-2238.
Going by the numbers and what someone said before about 1 in 10 being a TL Type-S I am guessing its safe to assume about 5,850 TL Type-S's were produced in 2007 and 4,670 were produced in 2008 give or take a few on each...
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how does acura NOT know these numbers???
they should know how many were MT in 07-08 (based on VIN). and we would know at lest how many type-s MT exist when extrapolate a rough approx of the type-s AT (based on the 1 in 10 numbers).
they should also know how many MT were produced in 04-06 as well.
the only thing we don't know...how many MT in 04-06 were produced and had a NAVI.
they should know how many were MT in 07-08 (based on VIN). and we would know at lest how many type-s MT exist when extrapolate a rough approx of the type-s AT (based on the 1 in 10 numbers).
they should also know how many MT were produced in 04-06 as well.
the only thing we don't know...how many MT in 04-06 were produced and had a NAVI.
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how does acura NOT know these numbers???
they should know how many were MT in 07-08 (based on VIN). and we would know at lest how many type-s MT exist when extrapolate a rough approx of the type-s AT (based on the 1 in 10 numbers).
they should also know how many MT were produced in 04-06 as well.
the only thing we don't know...how many MT in 04-06 were produced and had a NAVI.
they should know how many were MT in 07-08 (based on VIN). and we would know at lest how many type-s MT exist when extrapolate a rough approx of the type-s AT (based on the 1 in 10 numbers).
they should also know how many MT were produced in 04-06 as well.
the only thing we don't know...how many MT in 04-06 were produced and had a NAVI.
I am guessing that the TL Type-S's were just part of the production run and weren't set aside like Ford did with the Cobras (given the cobras were given alot more mods and a hand built engine to boot)...
I just went through the Acura website....
www.acura.com
Maybe if we can get enough people together emailing them they will check more...
Include a link to this thread maybe?
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how does acura NOT know these numbers???
they should know how many were MT in 07-08 (based on VIN). and we would know at lest how many type-s MT exist when extrapolate a rough approx of the type-s AT (based on the 1 in 10 numbers).
they should also know how many MT were produced in 04-06 as well.
the only thing we don't know...how many MT in 04-06 were produced and had a NAVI.
they should know how many were MT in 07-08 (based on VIN). and we would know at lest how many type-s MT exist when extrapolate a rough approx of the type-s AT (based on the 1 in 10 numbers).
they should also know how many MT were produced in 04-06 as well.
the only thing we don't know...how many MT in 04-06 were produced and had a NAVI.
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I got the email back this morning and it's more or less identical to the one that ChrisJ got. If I get some free time over the next few days, I may try and call them to see if I can get somewhere.
Speaking purely from experience as an IT consultant seeing many companies and how they utilize sales and production data, they definitely have the numbers.
auto companies are like any other major company that manufactures and sells products - they have databases that store all of that information.
It is required for them to store that kind of data for marketing purposes and making future design and manufacturing decisions that are informed - color, trim level, transmission type, etc. are all stored in a database somewhere at Honda Motor Corp.
The bigger reason that you and I can't get to the numbers is that they were never published anywhere publicly (and why would they, really? other than to satisfy an enthusiast group like us) and that data is probably only seen with internal reporting at the company over at Corporate.
auto companies are like any other major company that manufactures and sells products - they have databases that store all of that information.
It is required for them to store that kind of data for marketing purposes and making future design and manufacturing decisions that are informed - color, trim level, transmission type, etc. are all stored in a database somewhere at Honda Motor Corp.
The bigger reason that you and I can't get to the numbers is that they were never published anywhere publicly (and why would they, really? other than to satisfy an enthusiast group like us) and that data is probably only seen with internal reporting at the company over at Corporate.
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Speaking purely from experience as an IT consultant seeing many companies and how they utilize sales and production data, they definitely have the numbers.
auto companies are like any other major company that manufactures and sells products - they have databases that store all of that information.
It is required for them to store that kind of data for marketing purposes and making future design and manufacturing decisions that are informed - color, trim level, transmission type, etc. are all stored in a database somewhere at Honda Motor Corp.
The bigger reason that you and I can't get to the numbers is that they were never published anywhere publicly (and why would they, really? other than to satisfy an enthusiast group like us) and that data is probably only seen with internal reporting at the company over at Corporate.
auto companies are like any other major company that manufactures and sells products - they have databases that store all of that information.
It is required for them to store that kind of data for marketing purposes and making future design and manufacturing decisions that are informed - color, trim level, transmission type, etc. are all stored in a database somewhere at Honda Motor Corp.
The bigger reason that you and I can't get to the numbers is that they were never published anywhere publicly (and why would they, really? other than to satisfy an enthusiast group like us) and that data is probably only seen with internal reporting at the company over at Corporate.
ever wonder why deep green pearl and desert mist metallic went extinct?
plus i'm pretty sure acura is anal. look at their parts lists and numbers. you have two different front shock numbers, but yet they are the exact same part (at least this is what it appears to be). why? so corporate can track these things esp during warranty periods. if you get enough issues with one part then there is bound to be something wrong with the engineering part of the vehicle to make a part fail. parts numbers are updated periodically as well (either they tweaked the original part or they want to track numbers from a certain period to a certain period, probably both).
bottomline, we only have loose stats in terms of trannies for each group (base 04-06, 1 in 40 and type-s 07-08 1 in 10, then 1 in 4). these are the best guesstimates. as far as color break downs...we can only speculate based on our own observations.
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Speaking purely from experience as an IT consultant seeing many companies and how they utilize sales and production data, they definitely have the numbers.
auto companies are like any other major company that manufactures and sells products - they have databases that store all of that information.
It is required for them to store that kind of data for marketing purposes and making future design and manufacturing decisions that are informed - color, trim level, transmission type, etc. are all stored in a database somewhere at Honda Motor Corp.
The bigger reason that you and I can't get to the numbers is that they were never published anywhere publicly (and why would they, really? other than to satisfy an enthusiast group like us) and that data is probably only seen with internal reporting at the company over at Corporate.
auto companies are like any other major company that manufactures and sells products - they have databases that store all of that information.
It is required for them to store that kind of data for marketing purposes and making future design and manufacturing decisions that are informed - color, trim level, transmission type, etc. are all stored in a database somewhere at Honda Motor Corp.
The bigger reason that you and I can't get to the numbers is that they were never published anywhere publicly (and why would they, really? other than to satisfy an enthusiast group like us) and that data is probably only seen with internal reporting at the company over at Corporate.
i would agree with this logic. honda/acura is a very hush hush company about anything. so it doesn't surprise me that they will not tell us this info.
ever wonder why deep green pearl and desert mist metallic went extinct?
plus i'm pretty sure acura is anal. look at their parts lists and numbers. you have two different front shock numbers, but yet they are the exact same part (at least this is what it appears to be). why? so corporate can track these things esp during warranty periods. if you get enough issues with one part then there is bound to be something wrong with the engineering part of the vehicle to make a part fail. parts numbers are updated periodically as well (either they tweaked the original part or they want to track numbers from a certain period to a certain period, probably both).
bottomline, we only have loose stats in terms of trannies for each group (base 04-06, 1 in 40 and type-s 07-08 1 in 10, then 1 in 4). these are the best guesstimates. as far as color break downs...we can only speculate based on our own observations.
ever wonder why deep green pearl and desert mist metallic went extinct?
plus i'm pretty sure acura is anal. look at their parts lists and numbers. you have two different front shock numbers, but yet they are the exact same part (at least this is what it appears to be). why? so corporate can track these things esp during warranty periods. if you get enough issues with one part then there is bound to be something wrong with the engineering part of the vehicle to make a part fail. parts numbers are updated periodically as well (either they tweaked the original part or they want to track numbers from a certain period to a certain period, probably both).
bottomline, we only have loose stats in terms of trannies for each group (base 04-06, 1 in 40 and type-s 07-08 1 in 10, then 1 in 4). these are the best guesstimates. as far as color break downs...we can only speculate based on our own observations.
Where do we stand with collecting VINs? That might be our only hope now
