ed99

Check out the site below as I am quite interested in purchasing the 10000k bulb just for the fun of it. What do all you guys think before I do so!!! You can see quite a difference in color and lighting.
http://www.hidexpress.com/

go4heat

that looks really sweet, i might do that too, those light are awesome! does anybody know about the fitment to our 2004 tls??? also i dont know much about lights...are the high beams and the regular lights 2 different bulbs, and how do we install these?

corey415

10000k bulbs have already been installed in other TLs. You will definitely see a difference in color, but you will be producing much less light.

corey415

Well the 2004 TL's use D2S HID bulbs for the bixenon high/low beam. I don't know about the other bulbs.

rets

ed99,

Very good site with those HID in actions. Thanks.

IMO, if 04TL is capable of containing those, I prefer to have 6000K Aqua Blue or 8000K Deep Blue. 10000k Violet Purple isn't good for my eyesight.


Threads we ever had discussion there...

http://www.acura-tl.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82012

http://www.acura-tl.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78809

Ron A

There is only one HID bulb per headlight. There is a door that swings up or down to change from high beam to low beam. You can hear the noise the door makes when switching the beams if you listen closely, or have the window open.

To install the bulbs, described briefly, you have to remove the bumper, remove the headlight assembly, then remove the cover on the headlight where the bulb is mounted, and then change the bulb. Not as easy as the older cars using regular halogen bulbs, is it?

DC5_Integra

I think if your driving in richmond..... We would probably get caught.....

ed99

Any pics we can see with the 10000k bulbs installed??? Or which thread is it?? I would like to see how it looks first before I buy!!

¿GotJazz?

Thanks, ed99 ... Cool site! I wonder if there's any state laws against using these colors?

kosh2258

No offense to anyone but...

Keep a few things in mind.

Just because some company markets a product doesn't mean it's "better". Many companies will provide a product simply because there are people who will buy it.

Do a little research into optics and the sensitivity of human eye to various wavelengths of light. You'll find the human eye is generally more sensitive to the red end of the spectrum and very insensitive to the blue/violet end.

Remember what headlights are designed for (seeing at night - refer to the prior comment) in vehicles intended for everyday use as opposed to show cars that are intended to be objects de arte.

Ultimately it's your money and your choice, but, in this instance, since you're sharing the road with other drivers they do have some equity in that choice. And the Fed's are in the process of tightening up the rules on vehicle lighting because the current trend is getting out of hand.

Mr Zipps

I installed a set for BlackShadow on his 99TL.. http://www.acura-tl.com/forums/showt...ghlight=10000k They are very very blue. You balast will be able to handle the bulb..

I did the install during the day so I dont know what kind of light output it had.

BdasAcuraTL

maybe its just me, but none of those pix are coming up

cliff

pics arent showing up for me either

like it was discussed in that thread, is the 04 ballast the same as the 99? which means if we want above 6000k it would be safe?, and i can just buy bulbs instead of the whole HID kit?

flnsx

post the pics someone!

automata

Well said. This trend is getting ridiculous. Next people will be using black lights in their headlights.

IMO, lights like these look totally RICE.

J RIDE 81

There is always someone who will bash a mod. Doesn't suprise me.

NightRider

I must present a little of both sides here. My friend got the HID kit from Hella for his 03 Accord low beams. He integrated them into 9600K HID's. I must say that the lights coming towards you look a very beautiful electric blue color, but the light projected is also blue, almost like the bulb is dyed. Although his lights are regular and not projectors, with our cars side by side my low beam light seems to illuminate almost better than his lows. My light looker more uniform and wider, which I credit to the projector beam. Granted, my light looks whiteish/purpleish/blue when looking at the car and white on the road.

Also if you look on that site put the cursor on the purple, then bright blue, then regular blue light and watch. The 6K is the same brightness as the 8000K and 10000K, just a different hue. I know that the light on there is only a simulation, but based on my gatherings from real first hand perception and that site, I would say anything past 6K is only doing you good in the beauty factor and provides no addtional visibility. Unless you see things better in purple or blue than white, and then you are probably not sober enough to drive anyway.

This slightly angers me as Acura has used the "budget" 4300K HID's where as MB and BMW use 6000K. But, a fair amount of those cars don't have bi xenons either.

PoochaKannInc

If you want to see things with a purple tinge...I hear Viagra helps with that...

dlouly47

The brightest producting light is at 4300k.

Anything more produces more color but less light.

IMHO - Keep your stock bulbs.

mio

it s not very good with it in the bad weather, cuz u cannot see the road clearly if the light is too blue...

and it is illegal with HID over 6000K , cops will give u tickets~

last advice, i was trying to install a 6000k hid in my 2002 a4, and the discharge toasted my engine... u may need change lots of things(like the light cover,wires) ... cost so much money to get the job done~

automata

As far as I know, OE HID's are between 4100K and 4300K. I've never heard of any OEM aplication using 6000K.

NightRider

I asked the mechanic at MB dealership and he said they are 6000K for the E and S class. I am not sure about BMW's, but they definitely look make our lights look white with their blue hue. I think this is why they they are "options" and not standard like ours.

dlouly47

I have never heard of that either.

automata

I don't mean to seem argumentative but I think that MB dealer is giving you wrong info. Hella makes the lights used by MB, Audi, VW and I think also BMW. Hella is known for developing new and more advanced lighting systems. I can't imagine they would use a lesser light source such as a 6000K lamp vs. a 4100K or 4300K lamp.

Check out Hella's website They have alot of interesting info on new technologies they are developing like LED headlamps.

ravi

yea especially with a 10000k bulb

wouldnt go any higher than 6000k

cliff

my dad owns a S-class and it definitely bluer(is that even a word) than mine, ours is white, the S-class is blue so i think the S does have 6000k

ed99

Both BMW cars and MB cars have a bluer hue to the HID lights compare to our TL. I talked to a BMW supplier (a friend of mine) and he has indicated to me that the bulbs perform like a 6000k. He has also said most MB cars have a little Purple Hue so the MB cars might be a little higher. He also told me that if you buy the japanese HID Bulbs over 6000k should be brighter than our 4300k bulb. I know everyone is saying the higher you go the more light output you will lose. But why would the makers of BMW and MB uses higher bulbs than we do??? I know I don't have facts to prove what I say but that is just my from the BMW supplier.

corey415

I can GUARANTEE that Mercedes and BMW use 4100-4300k bulbs. You guys are comparing acura TL headlights to Mercedes and BMW headlights and assume the only reason why the output is different is due to the bulb?

The MAIN reason for variance in HID output in OEM applications are due to the optics of the HID projectors. Some HID headlights produce sharper cutoffs, some HID headlights produce greater width or depth, and some HID headlights produce different amounts of color.

Also, a 6000k bulb should only be brighter than a 4300k bulb if it was running on a 50W ballast as opposed to a 35W OEM ballast.

04 Acura TL headlights are actually one of the BEST bixenon projectors out there. Check out www.hidforum.com and you'll understand.

caball88

very nicely said, there are alot of myths about HID and 4300K vs 6000K. all oem equiped cars are 4300K kelvin, no one uses 6000K stock in their car. HID is suppose to provide better performance lighting wise and 4300K puts out more light than 6000K. the only reason MB and BMW ligths look different is entirely because of the optics. when you see a MB or BMW come down the road and the car dips up and down you see the color of the bulb changing. i had eurospec lamps on my last 3 seriers and believe me optics were very different than any US spec lamp. the cuttoff is alot sharper and the light is alot more concentrated. i have to say that the 04 TL lamps are very similar to the eurospec lamps that i had.

iNteGraz92

anything higher than OEM K rating is a WASTE
they are the equivalent of those superwhite halogen bulbs people put on their car
do not waste your money. the stock TL lighting is FINE

JnC

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buncha . I agree with the fact that allmost all factory HID bulbs are 4300, because only they are DOT and SAE approved. Even Phillips Ultinonz 6000 K are not DOT approved. Anything not DOT approved is illegal, and as we all know that a car company has to comply with DOT rules and regulations before it hands its cars out to the public.

1SICKLEX

By LAW, HIDs that come from the factory in cars cannot surpass 4300k. 5000k is almost pure white. 6000k is blue, 8000k is purple.
The higher intensity the bulb, the more blue/purpleish the color which may look "cool" but it's rice. B/C the light does not disperse as well and you will have no range like stock HIDs. Not to mention blinding on-coming traffic.

rets

Looks good explanation to me...

kosh2258

Not bashing anything, just stating facts that have a bearing on the discussion.

God forbid that we might actually let facts get in the way of misinformation and appearance over substance. Sheesh.

NightRider

Well, I guess I should ask then, when is the last time you were at a dealership and someone told you the complete honest truth?

You can't believe everything you hear, I have just heard that the hotter Kelvin btemperature it is, the darker color it is. Kind of like natural gas (Xenon is natural isn't it?) on a stove. When it's getting hot, it starts out red/orange/yellow/white then makes it's way to green/blue/purple. This is why I had believed what the mechanic said about temps and them being 6000K. Of course, it all has to do with the concept of optics, specifically individual perception and reception/transmission of images to the brain. I have seen TL's at varying times of day and night and at night the light is blue/white and during the day it is pink/white.

EDIT: I know they are not HID's, but I put SilverStar fog lights in place of the OEM's. The SilverStar emits whiter light while the stock is more yellow. No coincidence that the SS illuminates the road better as well.

Road Rage

Somebody should call The Artist formerly known as prince - he would love those.

As for me:

kosh2258

Sylvania's website states that the Silverstar color temp is approximately 4000k and their Xenarc HID systems are 4100 - 5400k. Standard Halogens are listed at ~3200k.

They have comparison pictures and (assuming no tweaking of the photos has occurred) the difference in illumination between the various bulbs and HID is noticable.

Road Rage

I am using the SS's in the fog lights, and they are very good, and much nicer in combo with the HID's than the cruddy OE bulbs, which are so yellow it is as if a bum (oops, homeless person to the PC'ers out there) had left the metabolized remnants of a quart of Wild Irish Rose as a free deposit to your TL's eyeballs. Or, the car has hepatitis-C, bad, and is severely jaundiced.

1SICKLEX

Ya'll have to watch out for high-output bulbs, they will BURN your harness. B/C the harness is built for maybe a 55W light, not a 80W one.

PoochaKannInc

Very unique way of saying a bum pissed on your headlights. I'm impressed.