Considering a Sport-Hybrid
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Considering a Sport-Hybrid
Hello all. I've been contemplating the RLX Sport-Hybrid as my next vehicle. I've read many of the threads and done some research online, including reading over the owners manual. I had a few questions I'm hoping ya'al can help me with.
1. It states in the owners manual that "The SPORT mode is turned off every time you start the power system, even if you turned it on the last time you drove the vehicle". I'm not sure I'll necessarily want the sport mode on all the time, but is there any sort of setting or mod that would cause the car to automatically start in SPORT mode rather than having to manually turn it on every time? I don't see this as a deal breaker but it would be nice if there was some sort of override.
2. It seems that battery issues (reliability/keeping a charge) have been pretty rare. Can anyone comment on any problems? Especially with "older" models like the 2014 or 2016? Referring to the lithium battery, not the 12V lead-acid.
3. Is there anything I should keep an eye out for when test driving one? Other than the obvious things. I'm pretty car savy but this vehicle is a different animal. I've read through the problems and fixes section and so far I've seen reference to an "All Wheel Drive System Problem" that can pop up. I've also read about some weird noises here and there but they largely appear normal. Even the owners manual addresses them. I've also read about some sort of bouncy backup issue. Seems some have it and others don't. And that it sometimes goes away once the engine is warmed up.
4. This would be the first car I've owned with direct injection. Has anyone had issues with carbon buildup on their valves? I figured once I get a car with DI (which is sort of inevitable - most auto manufacturers are going to it) that I'd use something like CRC GDI Intake valve cleaner on occasion, as well as get an oil catch can. But I know some DI engines have carbon buildup problems while others not so much.
5. The Krell audio system seems to get good reviews online. Any audiophiles out there with feedback? Good or bad? The ELS system in my 4G TL is great. If the Krell even matched that I'd be happy.
6. Any common parts that break or fail? e.g. alternator, fuel pump, cv joints, suspension components?
Thanks for any help
And any thoughts on this one?:
https://www.ksl.com/auto/listing/5439956?ad_cid=1#
1. It states in the owners manual that "The SPORT mode is turned off every time you start the power system, even if you turned it on the last time you drove the vehicle". I'm not sure I'll necessarily want the sport mode on all the time, but is there any sort of setting or mod that would cause the car to automatically start in SPORT mode rather than having to manually turn it on every time? I don't see this as a deal breaker but it would be nice if there was some sort of override.
2. It seems that battery issues (reliability/keeping a charge) have been pretty rare. Can anyone comment on any problems? Especially with "older" models like the 2014 or 2016? Referring to the lithium battery, not the 12V lead-acid.
3. Is there anything I should keep an eye out for when test driving one? Other than the obvious things. I'm pretty car savy but this vehicle is a different animal. I've read through the problems and fixes section and so far I've seen reference to an "All Wheel Drive System Problem" that can pop up. I've also read about some weird noises here and there but they largely appear normal. Even the owners manual addresses them. I've also read about some sort of bouncy backup issue. Seems some have it and others don't. And that it sometimes goes away once the engine is warmed up.
4. This would be the first car I've owned with direct injection. Has anyone had issues with carbon buildup on their valves? I figured once I get a car with DI (which is sort of inevitable - most auto manufacturers are going to it) that I'd use something like CRC GDI Intake valve cleaner on occasion, as well as get an oil catch can. But I know some DI engines have carbon buildup problems while others not so much.
5. The Krell audio system seems to get good reviews online. Any audiophiles out there with feedback? Good or bad? The ELS system in my 4G TL is great. If the Krell even matched that I'd be happy.
6. Any common parts that break or fail? e.g. alternator, fuel pump, cv joints, suspension components?
Thanks for any help
And any thoughts on this one?:
https://www.ksl.com/auto/listing/5439956?ad_cid=1#
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Wow that is a steal! Buy it and don't look back. Drive it and you will be sold.
Sport mode can only be selected for that particular drive cycle. It automatically switches back to eco mode when you turn off the car. Sport mode is bonkers so I rarely engage it, but it is the only way to engage 1st gear manually. It normally starts in 2nd gear. The 12v battery is going to need to be replaced at some point. The hybrid battery is flawless. I have 89,000 miles and the car is just as awesome today as the day I bought it. No direct injection cleaner done or needed for mine. Tires and wipers are the main wear items. Sound system is great (either the ELS or Krell). No part failures of any kind. Suspension noises are heard by some owners. The back up process, especially on a hill, can be jolting but that is normal for a direct transmission as this has. It is a quirky car, but that gives it some personality. I'm a big fan. You will enjoy it I'm sure.
Sport mode can only be selected for that particular drive cycle. It automatically switches back to eco mode when you turn off the car. Sport mode is bonkers so I rarely engage it, but it is the only way to engage 1st gear manually. It normally starts in 2nd gear. The 12v battery is going to need to be replaced at some point. The hybrid battery is flawless. I have 89,000 miles and the car is just as awesome today as the day I bought it. No direct injection cleaner done or needed for mine. Tires and wipers are the main wear items. Sound system is great (either the ELS or Krell). No part failures of any kind. Suspension noises are heard by some owners. The back up process, especially on a hill, can be jolting but that is normal for a direct transmission as this has. It is a quirky car, but that gives it some personality. I'm a big fan. You will enjoy it I'm sure.
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Gotcha. Thanks for the tips. I figured tires would be a wear item with the SH-AWD. Seems to be the case with many torque vectoring AWD systems. As for wipers, I usually get PIAA silicone wipers which last quite a while.
I'm test driving it today. We'll see how it goes
I'm test driving it today. We'll see how it goes
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Make sure you engage sport mode after the car has been running for about 10 minutes, brake hold and pull back on the right paddle to get the transmission in M1. Then simply mash the gas to the floor and enjoy. 0-60mph is gone in 4.9 seconds every time! Then push the sport mode button again to get it into eco mode, and drive normally. The fun in my mind is the 2,000 to 3,000 rpm range where you are NOT giving it the beans and simply ride the hybrid system where you get thrust without really changing the rpm range for the most part. It is more prodigious than you will expect, because it is so smooth in its delivery. Enjoy!
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I had a 2014 SH advanced, now a 2016 SH advanced.
Sport mode is rarely used because the rpms hang up high.
Original batteries at 95,000.
Reverse is notchy, even worse from ev to ic.
No obvious signs of carbon buildup.
Krell is super clean, although I added a sub.
Water in tail lights, tpms sensor leaking air, front lower ball joint worn, cracked front sway bar, cracked windshield due to turning the heat on with snow on it, shocks a bit noisy when cold.
The one listed looks like a good deal. The 2016 has 360 cameras, heated steering wheel and remote start which the 2014s were missing.
Sport mode is rarely used because the rpms hang up high.
Original batteries at 95,000.
Reverse is notchy, even worse from ev to ic.
No obvious signs of carbon buildup.
Krell is super clean, although I added a sub.
Water in tail lights, tpms sensor leaking air, front lower ball joint worn, cracked front sway bar, cracked windshield due to turning the heat on with snow on it, shocks a bit noisy when cold.
The one listed looks like a good deal. The 2016 has 360 cameras, heated steering wheel and remote start which the 2014s were missing.
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I had a 2014 SH advanced, now a 2016 SH advanced.
Sport mode is rarely used because the rpms hang up high.
Original batteries at 95,000.
Reverse is notchy, even worse from ev to ic.
No obvious signs of carbon buildup.
Krell is super clean, although I added a sub.
Water in tail lights, tpms sensor leaking air, front lower ball joint worn, cracked front sway bar, cracked windshield due to turning the heat on with snow on it, shocks a bit noisy when cold.
The one listed looks like a good deal. The 2016 has 360 cameras, heated steering wheel and remote start which the 2014s were missing.
Sport mode is rarely used because the rpms hang up high.
Original batteries at 95,000.
Reverse is notchy, even worse from ev to ic.
No obvious signs of carbon buildup.
Krell is super clean, although I added a sub.
Water in tail lights, tpms sensor leaking air, front lower ball joint worn, cracked front sway bar, cracked windshield due to turning the heat on with snow on it, shocks a bit noisy when cold.
The one listed looks like a good deal. The 2016 has 360 cameras, heated steering wheel and remote start which the 2014s were missing.
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So I went to the dealer link about the car, and pulled up the CARFAX report. That car has an interesting background, as it looks to have been sold once already as a CPO, and then sometime in the past 2 months has been in an accident (right rear). It might explain the lower cost - so I'd check that car over pretty carefully.
Overall the other comments above are appropriate for the vehicle overall. We have an '18 Sport Hybrid that has about 3500 miles on it by now. I have owned cars with direct injection before and haven't had any issues differently than with non-direct injection vehicles - and with the sport hybrid it uses the EV mode a lot so the car actually puts less stress on the v6 overall (oil life goes much more slowly based on overall miles vs a non-hybrid). I don't run sport mode often because you really only need to lean on the gas pedal slightly to get the full effect in normal driving - so not starting off in sport mode isn't a concern.
good luck - andy
Overall the other comments above are appropriate for the vehicle overall. We have an '18 Sport Hybrid that has about 3500 miles on it by now. I have owned cars with direct injection before and haven't had any issues differently than with non-direct injection vehicles - and with the sport hybrid it uses the EV mode a lot so the car actually puts less stress on the v6 overall (oil life goes much more slowly based on overall miles vs a non-hybrid). I don't run sport mode often because you really only need to lean on the gas pedal slightly to get the full effect in normal driving - so not starting off in sport mode isn't a concern.
good luck - andy
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Thanks for the info. Yeah, I went to the carfax as well. Seems it's been used as a fleet car or loaner. I saw the damage indication on the Carfax. Stated that the repair was <$1000 which isn't much. I'm guessing someone backed into something and scratched up the bumper. Even a respray would be around $1000 so it may have even been a touch up and dentless repair. I'll check it out.
I haven't been able to make it over to test drive it. Once I do I'll give my feedback. Thanks again.
I haven't been able to make it over to test drive it. Once I do I'll give my feedback. Thanks again.
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Sport Mode also locks out 7th gear and holds the revs higher, and makes more noise. It's a matter of choice, but I'm betting you will not want to have the car locked into Sport Mode. :-)
2. It seems that battery issues (reliability/keeping a charge) have been pretty rare.
3. Is there anything I should keep an eye out for when test driving one?
On the other hand, the car maintains its composure well when bouncing over a gater, and always comes back down onto the suspension pointing where you want.
But...even the KC2 will have an occasional "clunk" in the suspension that will bother some people.
Some kinds of switchbacks will disconcert the car. If the first curve is a wider radius than the second curve, this will take some knowledge and training.
Regarding the clunk in reverse: The DCT has some slack in it in order to be able to do what is necessary regardless of whether you are on the electric motors or the gasoline motor. Just be aware of it. It is usually not going to matter; however, if you are nose down on a slope the car will roll forward as much as two feet. You just have to get used to that and compensate.
4. This would be the first car I've owned with direct injection. Has anyone had issues with carbon buildup on their valves?
5. The Krell audio system seems to get good reviews online.
But iPod and Bluetooth, and FM HD, they're all very good.
6. Any common parts that break or fail? e.g. alternator, fuel pump, cv joints, suspension components?
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The most interesting thing about posts where folks are asking questions in preparation for a car purchase is that there are general questions, and then there the questions that need to be asked about a specific car that's on a lot. I look for triggers in CARFAX reports. In this case it had an accident (might not be a big deal), and it was also a corporate/regional vehicle. Now that in and of itself might not be bad, but you never know how the car was used. Maybe it was used during a track day to test out the sport mode by a bunch of local dealers. In some ways you could relate that to considering a rental car with a bunch of different drivers. And as such, things like the transmission behavior could be impacted. Might not be anything at all - just good ammo to have when looking at the car. (Can you tell I got burnt in the past? :-) ).
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Thanks again. Not too surprised about the feedback on suspension. It seems Acura's in general ride a bit stiffer. I prefer that. The 4G TL definitely rides stiffer than my old 3G and while that sometimes results in a nasty ride on bad roads, it also provides some great handling around the corners. I'm happy to make that compromise. Happy to hear the battery seems solid as well.
Otherwise, it sounds like a run of the mill Honda product. I still have a few other vehicles on the list. I'm also planning on test driving the Lexus GS 450h. On paper, the RLX and GS are the top runners. But paper vs. reality can be much different.
Anyone here ever test drive the GS 450h prior to picking up the RLX SH?
Otherwise, it sounds like a run of the mill Honda product. I still have a few other vehicles on the list. I'm also planning on test driving the Lexus GS 450h. On paper, the RLX and GS are the top runners. But paper vs. reality can be much different.
Anyone here ever test drive the GS 450h prior to picking up the RLX SH?
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So, I'll have to offer a slightly different viewpoint here. It's a significant step above the current flock of "run of the mill Honda products" that exist today. Frankly, it's of the quality that matched my wife's '93 Legend in terms of overall quality and driving style. My only conclusion is that the RLX is built in Japan, same as the Legend. This isn't a knock against the North American manufacturing of Honda/Acura products over the last couple of decades, but the RLX has just this tighter feel and sense of just being put together better than some of our recent experiences - 17 MDX, '15 RDX, '12 TL . I've found it really sad that I used to love my MDX in terms of driving, feel, fit/finish, etc - and after driving the wife's RLX, it's a whole different perspective about the way the car just "is". And I feel let down back in the MDX. :-( But I'll get over it.
Bottom line - I think the RLX is more than just the recent "run of the mill" Honda products. My $.02...
Bottom line - I think the RLX is more than just the recent "run of the mill" Honda products. My $.02...
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I test drove the Lexus GS450h and in short, it wasn't even a close comparison from a driving perspective. The interior is nicer in the Lexus I think, but the drive experience is 100% different, and in my opinion not very good when driven back to back. The RLX-SH smokes it in every way.
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I bought a 2016 RLX SH a couple months ago. I absolutely love it. I drove it a 1k miles home in one day and I probably could’ve drove it another thousand. It can be slightly notchy in reverse, especially nose down but other than that this thing is so nice. The trans shifts so fast and so smooth. It is a blast to drive. I came from a 2006 RL which I absolutely loved and I contiplated long and hard before I bought the SH and I have zero regret. My biggest advice is to look the car over real good and check car fax and don’t be afraid to travel a little bit. These cars are going for great prices right now. I bought my 16 SH one owner 40k miles clean Carfax for under $28k. Good luck with your hunting and I would absolutely recommend this car.
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@neuronbob didn't you have one and have a pretty strong opinion on ownership?
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Had a 2014 RLX SH since March 2018. Other than some warranty repairs on this specific vehicle, no major issues.
You are right about the car "on paper." It checks off all of my boxes. Don't be afraid to pull the trigger on one.
If I could go back, I might have waited for a 2016+ just to get the 360 camera and heated steering wheel. I love the
auto power folding mirrors, too.
You are right about the car "on paper." It checks off all of my boxes. Don't be afraid to pull the trigger on one.
If I could go back, I might have waited for a 2016+ just to get the 360 camera and heated steering wheel. I love the
auto power folding mirrors, too.
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@neuronbob didn't you have one and have a pretty strong opinion on ownership?
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NC1 is the real deal performance wise. I drove one in anger about eleven months ago and can't get it out of my mind.
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