B16?
#1
B16?
I need a hand here guys. What is B16 showing up on my MID in the center of the gauges? It seems early for something to signal that it needs service. Any ideas? I don't want to arbitrarily reset it. I'm at 7,234 miles.
#2
HTH RLX-SH
#3
Great find! I will call the dealer. It seems very early for any maintenance other than an oil change. George and Bob I think you have more miles than any of us. Have you needed this service done?
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#5
I think your first service should be an A1, RLX-Sport Hybrid. If your car says otherwise, you should have your dealer explain why. A B16 seems odd at 7,200 miles. But the rest of us SH-AWD drivers will want to know the answer you get.
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#7
I called the dealer and of course they had no idea, so I called Acura Client Relations and they forwarded me on to the technical department for clarification. The guy I spoke to said that it was likely a fluke, since I already got an oil change at around 3,200 miles and reset the oil change meter, nothing should have popped up. I will chalk it up to a big nothing and move on. I asked if aggressive driving could be an issue and the guy I spoke to said you could basically track the car until the tires were bald and the brakes were cooked before you could damage anything in the drive train or suspension. He said it is one of the most bulletproof systems Acura has designed to date! He also said that it is NOT the last we will see of this application of the EV SH-AWD from the RLX and NSX! Now that was news worthy! He said I am very lucky to own one of these cars and he wishes he bought one with the employee discount. He said it should be a collector car and in an Acura museum if one existed.
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#8
But it is a lot of fun!
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#9
I'm at about the same mileage as you but still show 40% oil life in the MID.
My experience with my RL was that the first message comes up when you have 15% oil life left so you still have around 1,200 miles left before the service is due [as long as I did my math correctly].
I agree you should call your dealer to check out the warning because your first service should be a simple A-1, oil change. There may be a glitch in the monitoring system. Anyway, please report back here since we are all interested what you learn. I will say that the whole point of the maintenance minder system is to take into account how the car has been driven, instead of just change the oil every x,xxx miles. George obviously is not as hard on the car as most people given his great mpg and lower frequency need to get into the shop. If you are driving more aggressively than it would make sense to need service earlier than others. Still it seems strange to me that your first service is a B-16.
My experience with my RL was that the first message comes up when you have 15% oil life left so you still have around 1,200 miles left before the service is due [as long as I did my math correctly].
I agree you should call your dealer to check out the warning because your first service should be a simple A-1, oil change. There may be a glitch in the monitoring system. Anyway, please report back here since we are all interested what you learn. I will say that the whole point of the maintenance minder system is to take into account how the car has been driven, instead of just change the oil every x,xxx miles. George obviously is not as hard on the car as most people given his great mpg and lower frequency need to get into the shop. If you are driving more aggressively than it would make sense to need service earlier than others. Still it seems strange to me that your first service is a B-16.
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He said it is one of the most bulletproof systems Acura has designed to date! He also said that it is NOT the last we will see of this application of the EV SH-AWD from the RLX and NSX! Now that was news worthy! He said I am very lucky to own one of these cars and he wishes he bought one with the employee discount. He said it should be a collector car and in an Acura museum if one existed.
Based on how your portrayed his comments above, it sounds like this particular Acura technical representative didn't foresee another SH-AWD RLX (but instead a *different* application for the system). The museum commentary seemed to underscore the point.
Is that the impression you came away from the conversation with?
As soon as I figure out for sure that another one isn't forthcoming later this year I will likely cross the threshold for pulling the trigger on another brand's luxury sedan (which I think more and more will be an Audi based on my most recent analysis).
Wish I knew the answer as to whether the RLX-SH is really deprecated...
#12
Why did you get an oil change at 3K miles? Break in oil is your friend. The days of the 3000 mile oil change are long gone in most modern cars. 7.5-10k is the norm. Just follow the maintenance minder. The engineers who designed that system know much more than the service writer at your dealership...
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#13
I guess this must be it. :-)
#14
Interesting.
Based on how your portrayed his comments above, it sounds like this particular Acura technical representative didn't foresee another SH-AWD RLX (but instead a *different* application for the system). The museum commentary seemed to underscore the point.
Is that the impression you came away from the conversation with?
As soon as I figure out for sure that another one isn't forthcoming later this year I will likely cross the threshold for pulling the trigger on another brand's luxury sedan (which I think more and more will be an Audi based on my most recent analysis).
Wish I knew the answer as to whether the RLX-SH is really deprecated...
Based on how your portrayed his comments above, it sounds like this particular Acura technical representative didn't foresee another SH-AWD RLX (but instead a *different* application for the system). The museum commentary seemed to underscore the point.
Is that the impression you came away from the conversation with?
As soon as I figure out for sure that another one isn't forthcoming later this year I will likely cross the threshold for pulling the trigger on another brand's luxury sedan (which I think more and more will be an Audi based on my most recent analysis).
Wish I knew the answer as to whether the RLX-SH is really deprecated...
In regards to your question about other applications of the EV-SH, I think it could find a place in a Type S version of the TLX which would be stupid awesome, or the next version of the MDX which again would be class leading. Now taking technical complexity issues into consideration, the application of wide spread use of the EV-SH across more Acura models would certainly lower the cost per unit for them, but adding a turbo or supercharger is likely more cost efficient from a corporate perspective. Also if they want to distance themselves from competitors in the hp wars, a simple turn of the boost can give them the added marketing help to compete with the likes of Lexus, Infiniti or other brands.
Sadly I think based on what the Acura tech guy said to me is that the RLX-SH while extremely special and even more rare, will likely NOT be returning as a 2016+ model option. Regarding the potential valuation question, I noted in another thread about this. In short a collector car appraiser said to me that because of its rarity and general lack of public awareness about the car, its value should be much ahead of any kbb value and should NEVER be traded in. He said that in a private sale it should be able to maintain a $50,000 value for quite some time which would be far above any kbb value placed on it. In short, if you have one, consider yourself extremely lucky and keep it (he said). I agree with his sentiments. I am looking to purchase a second one if I can find it and it is not 1,000 miles away from me. I looked a pewter/seacoast and my wife did not like that color combination (I posed pictures of the two next to each other recently). I am bananas about the car.
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#15
I thought the same thing and then he told me he drives a Nissan Z and wishes he could have bought the RLX-SH but it was not in his budget. It did not sound like he was pushing the corporate cool aid. He was critical of some of his corporate decisions so he seemed to be credible and rather objective. Refreshing.
#16
Why did you get an oil change at 3K miles? Break in oil is your friend. The days of the 3000 mile oil change are long gone in most modern cars. 7.5-10k is the norm. Just follow the maintenance minder. The engineers who designed that system know much more than the service writer at your dealership...
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The very purpose of the MID service notifications is that it is NOT based on mileage alone. It also factors in driving style, trip duration and yes, we have new technology that may require (or cautiously require) maintenance intervals more frequent than the old norms.
The primary item on that service group that calls out to me is 6 - Replace Twin Motor Unit Fluid. This is a totally new component so how can anyone equate what is normal service interval?
The rest is mostly inspection and oil change. Again, being new technology, perhaps Honda set the MID thresholds to trigger sooner for cautious inspection before potential problems arise. I think that is wise for this new drivetrain.
And what boggles my mind, is that the delaerships STILL send postcards and email about XXXX mileage service interval is needed. I realize they make money on service, but it basically contradicts the service requirements set by the manufacturer.
The primary item on that service group that calls out to me is 6 - Replace Twin Motor Unit Fluid. This is a totally new component so how can anyone equate what is normal service interval?
The rest is mostly inspection and oil change. Again, being new technology, perhaps Honda set the MID thresholds to trigger sooner for cautious inspection before potential problems arise. I think that is wise for this new drivetrain.
And what boggles my mind, is that the delaerships STILL send postcards and email about XXXX mileage service interval is needed. I realize they make money on service, but it basically contradicts the service requirements set by the manufacturer.
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#24
No, not huge. Entire service was 200.00, and my dealer is not a cheap one.
Something that turned up is that the brakes are wearing quickly. I guess this is a result of regeneration.
Or I guess it could be Turn 5 at Summit Point.
Anyway, we are all going to be doing brakes fairly often.
Something that turned up is that the brakes are wearing quickly. I guess this is a result of regeneration.
Or I guess it could be Turn 5 at Summit Point.
Anyway, we are all going to be doing brakes fairly often.
#25
No, not huge. Entire service was 200.00, and my dealer is not a cheap one.
Something that turned up is that the brakes are wearing quickly. I guess this is a result of regeneration.
Or I guess it could be Turn 5 at Summit Point.
Anyway, we are all going to be doing brakes fairly often.
Something that turned up is that the brakes are wearing quickly. I guess this is a result of regeneration.
Or I guess it could be Turn 5 at Summit Point.
Anyway, we are all going to be doing brakes fairly often.
#26
I thought that since the EV motors were handling a large percentage of the braking duties that the brakes would last longer? George how much have your brakes have been been consumed so far with your stated mileage?
#27
^^^ I agree. But I have read that using the Brake Hold feature may wear the rear brakes a little faster.
Perhaps in the attempt to smooth the grabbiness of the friction brakes on top of the electric motor braking Honda went with a softer brake pad? That might explain the faster wear?
Or it could just be driving style.
Perhaps in the attempt to smooth the grabbiness of the friction brakes on top of the electric motor braking Honda went with a softer brake pad? That might explain the faster wear?
Or it could just be driving style.
#28
^^^ I agree. But I have read that using the Brake Hold feature may wear the rear brakes a little faster.
Perhaps in the attempt to smooth the grabbiness of the friction brakes on top of the electric motor braking Honda went with a softer brake pad? That might explain the faster wear?
Or it could just be driving style.
Perhaps in the attempt to smooth the grabbiness of the friction brakes on top of the electric motor braking Honda went with a softer brake pad? That might explain the faster wear?
Or it could just be driving style.
Also I am traditionally light on the brakes.
#29
I use ACC a lot in my daily commute, and the car's been driven 9/10 a few times in controlled situations.
If you use ACC, you get used to the brakes coming on all the time, to the point that you stop thinking about it. People who're following you might remark that your brake lights come on in places that they wouldn't expect.
Regenerative braking, I'm sure, is just something that's going to wear the brakes. When we're talking about the long term effects and costs of hybrid vehicles, I wonder if we've added brake pads in the equation.
I don't know if you've noticed this, but the brake feel on the Sport Hybrid is related to the brakes being pre-charged 100% of the time in order to improve the efficiency of the regenerative braking, and one of the side effects is a high and hard brake pedal that inspires greater confidence than most hybrids.
I've said elsewhere that people who race struggle all their lives to get their brake pedals to feel like this.
On the other hand, if I were asked to name a single thing that I'd like to improve about the car's performance, it'd be brakes.
Every once in a rare while (like Turn 5 at Summit, or Oak Tree at VIR) you realize that this is really a huge honking car with a little more HP than it has brakes.
Last edited by George Knighton; 07-25-2015 at 08:32 AM.
#30
Before people start yelling at me, I think that in the end people are going to realize that Oak Tree is a long section of trail braking, the way that Jon is doing it here.
As both Cunningham and Kleinubing have said, there is no apex in Oak Tree. :-)
When you're learning to drive there, in Group One and Group Two they will try to get you to treat it like there are two apexes, but when you finally get some speed and confidence there, you'll trail brake through the middle of it.
The result is a relatively long and wear inducing drag on the brakes.
#31
I don't have ACC since I have the Tech, so maybe that might mean my usage is less? I just looked at mine and they all look to be with about 1/2 to 5/8th of an inch of pad left on them. I will pass 12,000 miles this week. What are the measurements of new pads? This car will never make it onto a track so 100mph trail braking will never be tested. However the occasional high speed pass on some local turns is a regular occurrence, but never to the levels where I'm testing 100% traction.
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That is why I was surprised by George's comments about brake wear. One thing I think is different is that the wheels are rarely hot and at most warm after a drive, thus my interpretation that brake wear must be less. Less heat transfer the less friction, the less wear. My last TL got very warm and sometimes so hot I could not touch them. I got 55k out of the front brakes and 70k out of the rears in my last car. I also have not seen any brake dust on the RLX-SH wheels, inside or out. Full disclosure: I clean the car so often that they never get dirty. My conclusion is that I would expect the brakes to last longer, not shorter than a traditional car of the same weight. Am I wrong?
#36
"The electric SH-AWD system on the RLX Sport Hybrid eliminates the conventional drive shaft and rear differential, replacing them with two high-output 27-kilowatt electric motors. The rear motors dynamically distribute both positive (drive) and negative (regenerative braking) electric-motor torque, depending on driving conditions, and which torque vectoring assists in cornering. The system is further aided by a 35-kilowatt front electric motor that supplements engine torque to the front wheels and provides regenerative brake torque to charge the vehicle's 260-volt lithium-ion battery pack."
Acura | Press Releases Article | Acura.com
However, from what I read and the video demos of SH-SHAWD, the front wheels are both either in Drive or Regen mode, whereas the rear wheels can be independent of the other 3 wheels as to either Drive or Regen mode.
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