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Old Oct 14, 2013 | 01:43 PM
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I'm confused I thought bringing back the start button meant bringing back its functionality...
either way I wont be using windows much. It will be used for SOLIDWORKS and Rooting my phone and other programs that come along that I'd need to download and learn that aren't available on Mac.

Btw, any download for windows 7 works on windows 8, correct?
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Old Oct 14, 2013 | 01:56 PM
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Seriously, it's just a button. What else can it do?
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You're confusing start button with start menu. In 7 the button opens the start menu, in 8.1 it opens the start screen
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Old Oct 14, 2013 | 02:21 PM
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Jebus, they change the start menu and people flip out because they cant find programs. Hit the start "icon" and it brings up pretty little pictures of your programs now instead of the hierarchy of little icons that are your programs.

Most operating systems dont have a menu of all the apps installed, they are usually either listed in a Applications folder (like on a Mac - yes, you can pin to the dock or put on the desktop) or just icons listed.

After a while, it becomes so much easier to click on Start (or the search on a Mac or spotlight on IOS or Google on Android) and type the first few letters of what you want to open.
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Old Oct 14, 2013 | 02:22 PM
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Old Oct 14, 2013 | 04:56 PM
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I was just expecting a start menu, sorry got it confused. I was just seeing if I had 8.1 or 8.0. I figured that button was there in 8.0 and that the start menu was coming back cause users wanted it.

I'm not saying which ways better in anyway since I havent really played with it at all, just wanted to confirm I actually had 8.1, again.

Yea I agree search with keyboard is much easier. I dont use launchpad, well rarely now. Launchpad is horrible and annoying. Using spotlight is so much quicker (especially after I learned the keyboard shortcuts for it)

I'm sure windows 8 is a lot easier with keyboard shortcuts as well. Just gotta get used to the change.
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Old Oct 16, 2013 | 02:08 PM
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Jebus, they change the start menu and people flip out because they cant find programs. Hit the start "icon" and it brings up pretty little pictures of your programs now instead of the hierarchy of little icons that are your programs.

Most operating systems dont have a menu of all the apps installed, they are usually either listed in a Applications folder (like on a Mac - yes, you can pin to the dock or put on the desktop) or just icons listed.

After a while, it becomes so much easier to click on Start (or the search on a Mac or spotlight on IOS or Google on Android) and type the first few letters of what you want to open.
However, you have to know what it's called.

Many times, i am thinking "what was that other file compression program I installed?" and I open the start menu and browse (W7pro). the option should be there, and I should be able to choose to use it and you should be able to choose to not. After running an OS version or two with the option, ten they can phase it out of people stop using it.
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Old Oct 16, 2013 | 02:23 PM
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There's a computer and water in that pic????
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Old Oct 16, 2013 | 02:33 PM
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Old Oct 16, 2013 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by stogie1020
However, you have to know what it's called.

Many times, i am thinking "what was that other file compression program I installed?" and I open the start menu and browse (W7pro). the option should be there, and I should be able to choose to use it and you should be able to choose to not. After running an OS version or two with the option, ten they can phase it out of people stop using it.

There is an All programs screen in 8.1 and in 8 though it was harder to find 8. Hit the start button and then hit the down arrow in the bottom left corner. You can also sort app list by alphabet, most used, date installed, and category; you could never do that in 7.
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Old Oct 16, 2013 | 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
There is an All programs screen in 8.1 and in 8 though it was harder to find 8. Hit the start button and then hit the down arrow in the bottom left corner. You can also sort app list by alphabet, most used, date installed, and category; you could never do that in 7.
I understand this, but taking an often used feature (hey, they created it..) and then burying it to make is nearly unusable in the workflow that both (A) they forced upon us (a good thing) and (B) people grew accustomed to is not the best way to go IMO.
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Old Oct 16, 2013 | 03:57 PM
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There's a computer and water in that pic????
iMacs are waterproof. Give it a shot.
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Old Oct 16, 2013 | 05:20 PM
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I would if I had an iMac, I have a windows PC.... From 2006
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Old Oct 17, 2013 | 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by stogie1020
iMacs are waterproof. Give it a shot.
You need to install the updates first.
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Old Oct 17, 2013 | 08:06 AM
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Didn't iOS 7 make the iPhone waterproof?

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Old Oct 17, 2013 | 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by stogie1020
I understand this, but taking an often used feature (hey, they created it..) and then burying it to make is nearly unusable in the workflow that both (A) they forced upon us (a good thing) and (B) people grew accustomed to is not the best way to go IMO.
Actually with 8.1 you can set it so that when you hit the start button it takes you right to the all programs list and you can set it so that when you sort all programs by category that desktop programs are the first ones you see.

You could never hit start button and go straight to all programs in any previous version of Windows.
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Old Oct 17, 2013 | 04:30 PM
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I am not going to argue with you, it plainly requires more effort to get to the same amount of info that the W7 start menu provided (recent items, computer, control panel, MRU items, etc).

It's a mute point, MS will not be recreating the start menu in W8.
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Old Nov 24, 2013 | 08:28 PM
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This memo begging their employees to stop using Outlook and switch to their own email service is ridiculous

Clinging to Outlook, Only 25 Percent of Yahoo Employees Willing to Eat Mail “Dogfood” (Best Memo Ever!)
As most know, I love a good internal memo from inside Yahoo and here’s a doozy related to a rather controversial topic of late: How badly the new version of Yahoo Mail has been received by consumers.

As has been widely reported, a relentless and vocal group of Yahoo Mail users have been complaining vociferously after the Silicon Valley Internet giant drastically revamped its popular Mail service in October. The ire includes a lot of distress over the removal of its tabs function and the addition of a multi-tasking feature in its place.

Although change is hard for many, I get buttonholed almost everywhere I go by users — including some prominent techies — who complain about the new version.

Apparently, some Yahoo employees agree, too, with only 25 percent of them heeding management pleas to move over from their longtime corporate email — Microsoft Outlook — to the new Yahoo Mail product.

It’s not clear why this is, but from an internal memo I obtained — memos are now raining down on me, which is an interesting sign of, well, something — some inside said it was because of its meeting functionality. That sounds right, since Yahoos (and all over Internet companies) love to meet!

Rushing into the dicey breach, Yahoo’s SVP of communications products Jeff Bonforte and CIO Randy Roumillat tried to deal with the issue head on in the cleverly titled missive to employees: “Windows 95 called and they want their mail app back.”

It noted, about the Yahoo Mail used by staffers:

Earlier this year we asked you to move to Yahoo Mail for your corporate email account. 25% of you made the switch (thank you). But even if we used the most generous of grading curves (say, the one from organic chemistry), we have clearly failed in our goal to move our co-workers to Yahoo Mail.
The rest is a corker of a memo, with the execs letting loose with all kinds of very funny literary and historical references you will need to Google — oops, according to him, you will need to Yahoo.

Addressing the miscreants with some oddly phrased flair, they waxed on:

For others, you might now be running in your head to a well worn path of justified resistance, phoning up the ol’ gang, circling the hippocampian wagons of amygdalian resistance. Hold on a sec, pilgrim.
I have no idea what this means and can’t even figure it out via Google or Yahoo — but I like it!

And, in a wacky attack on Microsoft products:

First, it doesn’t feel like we are asking you to abandon some glorious place of communications nirvana. At this point in your life, Outlook may be familiar, which we can often confuse with productive or well designed. Certainly, we can admire the application for its survival, an anachronism of the now defunct 90s PC era, a pre-web program written at a time when NT Server terrorized the data center landscape with the confidence of a T-Rex born to yuppie dinosaur parents who fully bought into the illusion of their son’s utter uniqueness because the big-mouthed, tiny-armed monster infant could mimic the gestures of The Itsy-Bitsy Pterodactyl. There was a similar outcry when we moved away from Outlook’s suite-mates in the Microsoft Office dreadnaught. But whether it’s familiarity, laziness or simple stubbornness dressed in a cloak of Ayn Randian Objectivism, the time has come to move on, commrade [sic ... go deep in this pun, it is layered].
Yuppie dinosaur parents? Microsoft Office dreadnaught? The last one, I can only grok via vague memories from reading “Atlas Shrugged” in college. But I like it anyway!

All due respect to Roumillat, this sounds like the stylings of Bonforte, who sources said has been colorfully addressing the troops on the Yahoo Mail controversies at recent all-hands meetings.

Yahoo has not responded to several emails on the memo, which I like anyway!

But, here’s the deal: I could spend 63 hours unpacking this refreshingly kookified memo, but why don’t you take a gander in its entirety:

Hello Yahoos,

Earlier this year we asked you to move to Yahoo Mail for your corporate email account. 25% of you made the switch (thank you). But even if we used the most generous of grading curves (say, the one from organic chemistry), we have clearly failed in our goal to move our co-workers to Yahoo Mail.

It’s time for the remaining 75% to make the switch. Beyond the practical benefits of giving feedback to your colleagues on the Mail team, as a company it’s a matter of principle to use the products we make. (BTW, same for Search.)

For some reading this email, you are saying, “Jeff, shut up, you had me at hello.” *hug* Jump over to yo/dogfood, click “Corp Mail/Cal/ Messenger” and you are ready to join our brave new world at yo/corpmail or https://mail.yahoo-inc.com.

For others, you might now be running in your head to a well worn path of justified resistance, phoning up the ol’ gang, circling the hippocampian wagons of amygdalian resistance. Hold on a sec, pilgrim.

First, it doesn’t feel like we are asking you to abandon some glorious place of communications nirvana. At this point in your life, Outlook may be familiar, which we can often confuse with productive or well designed. Certainly, we can admire the application for its survival, an anachronism of the now defunct 90s PC era, a pre-web program written at a time when NT Server terrorized the data center landscape with the confidence of a T-Rex born to yuppie dinosaur parents who fully bought into the illusion of their son’s utter uniqueness because the big-mouthed, tiny-armed monster infant could mimic the gestures of The Itsy-Bitsy Pterodactyl. There was a similar outcry when we moved away from Outlook’s suite-mates in the Microsoft Office dreadnaught. But whether it’s familiarity, laziness or simple stubbornness dressed in a cloak of Ayn Randian Objectivism, the time has come to move on, commrade [sic...go deep in this pun, it is layered].

Using corp mail from the Y Mail web interface is remarkably feature rich. It supports booking conference rooms, folders, calendar, filters and global address book. Plus, you get built-in Messenger, smart conversation threading, powerful keyboard shortcuts, the new quick actions, attachment preview and our beautiful new rich themes. In the rare case you do need Outlook, like adding a delegate for your calendar, you can still fire up Outlook for 30 seconds.

But wait there’s more. By using corporate Mail, you’ll automatically get to dogfood our new features first. I’m especially excited about a new feature premiering in just a few more days: smart auto-suggest, powered by a platform from the still-have-that-new-acquisition-smell Xobni team. We have been testing this feature with select users in and out of the company and the response has been fantastic: “Whoa!”, “Amazing”, “Already in love with it. Woot!” and, my favorite, “So nicely integrated that it appears as if it’s always been there. I already can’t imagine it not being there again.”

Feeling that little tingle? Take a deep breath, you can do this. We want you on board, sailor!

Please note, on the mobile side, corp mail is not yet supported in our Mail app for Android or iOS, but that will change (PB&J!). And, like all dogfood offerings, there is a feedback link in the product. Use it generously so we can make the improvements to make Yahoo Mail the unquestioned inbox champion of the world. I pitty [sic] the fool who resists.

Thanks for your support. It really does matter and we appreciate it.

Jeff Bonforte, SVP Communications Products Randy Roumillat, CIO
http://allthingsd.com/20131124/while...-dogfood-memo/
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Old Dec 5, 2013 | 10:04 AM
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Looking for suggestions.

W7x64, 8GB ram, ASUS Sabertooth Z77 MB.

getting random BSOD referencing MEMORY_MANAGEMENT.

Ran MemTest for 13 passes with no errors.

Ideas?

SFC/Scannow is neg.

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Old Dec 5, 2013 | 10:50 AM
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http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...m=w81previtpro

Uninstall Rapid Storage Tech program from control panel. Yes I know its Win8
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^That link says it's caused by ASUS software
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Old Dec 5, 2013 | 11:26 AM
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Yeah, now I am confused...

I have two machines, both have same MB, IRST running.

One has memory management issues, one does not.

Hweird.
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Old Dec 5, 2013 | 11:39 AM
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^That link says it's caused by ASUS software
Scroll down...
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Old Dec 5, 2013 | 11:48 AM
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OK, uninstalled IRST.

FTR, the uninstall forces an immediate and abrupt restart. Don't uninstall while doing anything else...
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Old Dec 5, 2013 | 01:44 PM
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It is an intermittent issue, will have to wait a week or so to see.

it was not, as described in the thread you posted, an "at every boot" event for me.
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Old Dec 5, 2013 | 01:53 PM
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enjoying this! nice machine.

Thanks!

Sooooo...riiiiigght!

Apparently one of those Sony VAIO laptops I bought started getting errors in the SSD RAID 0 array. Though the RAID Volume says it's working normally one the disks is giving error messages on the RAID BIOS screen and after loading Windows 7 in the Intel RST program, saying the port on Disk 0 failed.

I called Sony for warranty repair since it's only been 8-9 months and it's still under warranty. They told me that refurbished PCs only had a 90 day warranty even though the Sony Rep told me when I purchased them that they had the full warranty. I got escalated to the Customer care reps who basically told me to eat a dick.

The RAID is currently still working IDK how it is but it is. I've made a system image and I'm going to replace the SSD with another and restore the system image...

Heads up Srika!
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The plot thickens!

I thought about it a little more and decided to take the SSD out of the vaio and see what it was all about.

That's when I noticed that each SSD has their own mSata port and they're both connected via ribbon cable to the mobo using a proprietary connection. That ruined my idea of replacing it with a normal 2.5in SSD.

I did a little bit of searching on eBay and was able to find a new identical Toshiba mSATA SSD for $85 shipped!
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Old Dec 5, 2013 | 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by #1 STUNNA
Sooooo...riiiiigght!

Apparently one of those Sony VAIO laptops I bought started getting errors in the SSD RAID 0 array. Though the RAID Volume says it's working normally one the disks is giving error messages on the RAID BIOS screen and after loading Windows 7 in the Intel RST program, saying the port on Disk 0 failed.

I called Sony for warranty repair since it's only been 8-9 months and it's still under warranty. They told me that refurbished PCs only had a 90 day warranty even though the Sony Rep told me when I purchased them that they had the full warranty. I got escalated to the Customer care reps who basically told me to eat a dick.

The RAID is currently still working IDK how it is but it is. I've made a system image and I'm going to replace the SSD with another and restore the system image...

Heads up Srika!
Thanks for the info - I haven't been using the computer too heavily - actually right now I am not using it at all - it's serving as a kind of "backup" laptop or for other use if I can't / don't feel like using another laptop.

How about setting the drives as independent?
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I'm sure you could if you wanted to wipe out the raid array and reinstall. Have one for os and one for data

Here's a couple pics I took, my first time coming across this connection.

FHKU7i4.jpg
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Oh and that's uSATA not mSATA

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Whats with Samsung Pro 840's not being detected by UEFI or disk management?

I bought two of them, tried different SATA cables, different machines etc. Nothing..

This will be the first time in ages I've had to RMA something..
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You got a USB to SATA adapter? Plug it in to your Mac or other device and see if it recognizes it
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You got a USB to SATA adapter? Plug it in to your Mac or other device and see if it recognizes it
Thanks, I'll see if that works and then format it. Otherwise I think they're both bad
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I'm sure you could if you wanted to wipe out the raid array and reinstall. Have one for os and one for data
no I was talking about for you, given the trouble you had. just brainstorming.
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It's a RAID 0 array not RAID 1. I believe RAID 1 drives will work separate from each other since they're just mirroring but RAID 0 splits a file into two pieces and stores half on one and half on the other so if one goes down you're fucked. Which is why I'm confused that this thing is currently still working if the RAID controller is detecting errors with one of the drives. I guess not deathly errors...yet.

I did already boot it up with one of the drives unplugged so I could be sure which one had the error or not via process of elimination.
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Speaking of which. Stunna it's the SSD connected to port B that is bad. I know you haven't written it down yet and you'll probably forgot even though you think you'll remember, you won't. I got you!
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