Oracle tried to buy open-source MySQL
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Oracle tried to buy open-source MySQL
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Oracle tried to buy open-source MySQL
By Stephen Shankland
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
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Published: February 15, 2006, 3:36 PM PST
SAN FRANCISCO--Oracle tried to acquire open-source database maker MySQL, an indication of the profound changes the software giant is willing to make as it adapts to the increasingly significant collaborative programming philosophy.
MySQL Chief Executive Marten Mickos confirmed the acquisition attempt in an interview at the Open Source Business Conference here but wouldn't provide details such as when the approach was made or how much money Oracle offered.
<!-- Search Engine Component --> He did, however, say why he turned down Oracle's offer: the desire to keep his company's independence. "We will be part of a larger company, but it will be called MySQL," Mickos said.
Oracle didn't immediately comment on the acquisition offer.
Though it is increasingly diversified, Oracle's primary business is selling its own proprietary database software. MySQL, in contrast, is a leader among several companies trying to commercialize rival open-source products.
The acquisition would have been a smart move for Oracle, said Redmonk analyst Stephen O'Grady.
"It all comes back to the question of cannibalizing an existing business," O'Grady said. "If you determine that to some extent it's inevitable, wouldn't you prefer that you do it, instead of your competitors?"
O'Grady said Oracle could benefit from MySQL in the way that IBM has from its acquisition of Gluecode, a company that commercializes the open-source Geronimo Java application server software and competed with IBM's own proprietary WebSphere product. IBM now offers Gluecode's software as a free product called WebSphere community edition.
"They could position it as a lower-end alternative, much as IBM has done with WebSphere CE, recognizing that their larger accounts aren't likely to switch from the enterprise-class database anyhow," O'Grady said. At the same time, buying MySQL could "open up a very sizable new market for themselves."
The database market is in the midst of major changes. IBM now offers a lower-end version of its DB2 product for free, following similar moves by Microsoft and Oracle. At the same time, companies such as Ingres and EnterpriseDB are trying to build high-end open-source database packages.
MySQL, based in Sweden and Cupertino, Calif., announced in January that it's been profitable for two quarters. But it's not turning down outside money. MySQL announced Monday it raised $18.5 million in a third round of funding from Institutional Venture Partners, Intel Capital, Red Hat, SAP Ventures and Sumitomo's Presidio STX investment subsidiary.
Oracle's financial moves, however, are orders of magnitude grander. Its major buying spree resulted in the acquisitions of Siebel Systems for $5.8 billion and PeopleSoft for $10.3 billion.
Oracle already has bought two small open-source database companies--Sleepycat on Tuesday and InnoDB in 2005. But its open-source ambitions clearly are larger; for example, BusinessWeek reported that Oracle is expected to acquire open-source application server maker JBoss.
Mickos and other executives eagerly note that the MySQL database is gradually maturing with higher-end features, but they deny they've got Oracle in their crosshairs. Oracle is often used in back-end databases that power complex, massive software such as enterprise resource planning packages (ERP) from SAP or PeopleSoft.
<!-- STORY TEASE --> <newselement> <newselement> </newselement></newselement> <!-- END STORY TEASE --> "We are not used in all the ERP stuff. We are adding those features, but we are not going to be running PeopleSoft applications any time," Mickos said. Instead, MySQL is aiming for next-generation applications at companies such as Workday, a software-as-a-service start-up being launched by PeopleSoft co0founder Dave Duffield.
In reality, the MySQL and Oracle do compete. "They're obviously entrenched in different areas of the market--Oracle at the high end, MySQL in the higher-volume, lower-end space," O'Grady said. "But is there overlap in the middle? Sure."
Oracle tried to buy open-source MySQL
By Stephen Shankland
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
<!-- February 15, 2006, 3:36 PM PT
-->
Published: February 15, 2006, 3:36 PM PST
SAN FRANCISCO--Oracle tried to acquire open-source database maker MySQL, an indication of the profound changes the software giant is willing to make as it adapts to the increasingly significant collaborative programming philosophy.
MySQL Chief Executive Marten Mickos confirmed the acquisition attempt in an interview at the Open Source Business Conference here but wouldn't provide details such as when the approach was made or how much money Oracle offered.
<!-- Search Engine Component --> He did, however, say why he turned down Oracle's offer: the desire to keep his company's independence. "We will be part of a larger company, but it will be called MySQL," Mickos said.
Oracle didn't immediately comment on the acquisition offer.
Though it is increasingly diversified, Oracle's primary business is selling its own proprietary database software. MySQL, in contrast, is a leader among several companies trying to commercialize rival open-source products.
The acquisition would have been a smart move for Oracle, said Redmonk analyst Stephen O'Grady.
"It all comes back to the question of cannibalizing an existing business," O'Grady said. "If you determine that to some extent it's inevitable, wouldn't you prefer that you do it, instead of your competitors?"
O'Grady said Oracle could benefit from MySQL in the way that IBM has from its acquisition of Gluecode, a company that commercializes the open-source Geronimo Java application server software and competed with IBM's own proprietary WebSphere product. IBM now offers Gluecode's software as a free product called WebSphere community edition.
"They could position it as a lower-end alternative, much as IBM has done with WebSphere CE, recognizing that their larger accounts aren't likely to switch from the enterprise-class database anyhow," O'Grady said. At the same time, buying MySQL could "open up a very sizable new market for themselves."
The database market is in the midst of major changes. IBM now offers a lower-end version of its DB2 product for free, following similar moves by Microsoft and Oracle. At the same time, companies such as Ingres and EnterpriseDB are trying to build high-end open-source database packages.
MySQL, based in Sweden and Cupertino, Calif., announced in January that it's been profitable for two quarters. But it's not turning down outside money. MySQL announced Monday it raised $18.5 million in a third round of funding from Institutional Venture Partners, Intel Capital, Red Hat, SAP Ventures and Sumitomo's Presidio STX investment subsidiary.
Oracle's financial moves, however, are orders of magnitude grander. Its major buying spree resulted in the acquisitions of Siebel Systems for $5.8 billion and PeopleSoft for $10.3 billion.
Oracle already has bought two small open-source database companies--Sleepycat on Tuesday and InnoDB in 2005. But its open-source ambitions clearly are larger; for example, BusinessWeek reported that Oracle is expected to acquire open-source application server maker JBoss.
Mickos and other executives eagerly note that the MySQL database is gradually maturing with higher-end features, but they deny they've got Oracle in their crosshairs. Oracle is often used in back-end databases that power complex, massive software such as enterprise resource planning packages (ERP) from SAP or PeopleSoft.
<!-- STORY TEASE --> <newselement> <newselement> </newselement></newselement> <!-- END STORY TEASE --> "We are not used in all the ERP stuff. We are adding those features, but we are not going to be running PeopleSoft applications any time," Mickos said. Instead, MySQL is aiming for next-generation applications at companies such as Workday, a software-as-a-service start-up being launched by PeopleSoft co0founder Dave Duffield.
In reality, the MySQL and Oracle do compete. "They're obviously entrenched in different areas of the market--Oracle at the high end, MySQL in the higher-volume, lower-end space," O'Grady said. "But is there overlap in the middle? Sure."
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Thank god this didn't happen!!! All the world would need is for Oracle to start charging for MySQL which is used so much nowadays because it's ease of installation, use and hell it's FREE!
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Originally Posted by doopstr
Companies that don't charge for their products don't last very long 
I bet bigger offer on the table from MS.

I bet bigger offer on the table from MS.
I'm not certain how many years exactly they've been around (I know it's at least 5 because that's how long I've been using it) but they are doing pretty damn well all around the world. And because they have so much to offer they also have plenty of developers that are willing to work on the project to keep it that way.
Hell how many open source programs do you know of have large scale conventions dedicated to them (not that many):
http://www.mysqluc.com/
Originally Posted by doopstr
Companies that don't charge for their products don't last very long 
I bet bigger offer on the table from MS.

I bet bigger offer on the table from MS.
Never mind the personal desktop stuff,
I'd argue that ANY major software that can be written (or even designed) by an army of
or in the future,
will eventually have to be totally "free" or a "free" version.Companies will pay for service, support, consultation.
free Oracle
free IBM UDB
Originally Posted by slyraskal
so are you saying that MySQL should sell their company?
They are either going to have to pull a "Red Hat" and start selling the databse, or sell the company.
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Originally Posted by doopstr
They are either going to have to pull a "Red Hat" and start selling the databse, or sell the company.
for the day that happens
Originally Posted by doopstr
Both of these are starter versions. Ask them for a free copy of Enterprise Edition.
http://www.oracle.com/technology/sof...10g/index.html
they just expect you to pay for the license.
Originally Posted by virus7
You can d/l copies of Enterprise for "free":
http://www.oracle.com/technology/sof...10g/index.html
they just expect you to pay for the license.
http://www.oracle.com/technology/sof...10g/index.html
they just expect you to pay for the license.

It's been freely downloadable since the late '90, at least.
Download or CD, the fact is all these ENTERPRISE software can be obtained for nothing or just postage..for years.
No companies that actually need these "big" sw and hire people to work on it will "steal" the sw.
No companie will be crazy enough to run these complex sw without support contract.
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