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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 11:32 AM
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iPhone "Catch" Battery Fee

Just an FYI to those who recently purchased one or considering it...

IPHONE MEDIA BLITZ MISSED BATTERY 'FEE'

While hundreds of thousands of eager consumers waited anxiously for the iPhone last week, most probably didn’t know about the hidden fee attached to their purchase.

Now the obvious question is this: With all the words spoken and written about the iPhone prior to launch, why didn't someone tell them?

The iPhone battery will only survive about 300-400 recharges, the company says. Because the unit is sealed, consumers can't swap out dead batteries. Instead, dead phones must be sent to Apple, where battery replacement will take three business days and cost $79 plus a $6.95 shipping charge. Those who can't live without their cell phones for those three days can rent a spare iPhone for $29.

This pricey, and apparently inevitable, aftercharge never made it into any of the voluminous news stories written and filmed about the iPhone prior to its launch on June 29. Why not?

According to the Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights, Apple's Web site made no mention of the battery fee on the morning of June 29, when thousands of Apple faithful lined up all around the country to buy the phone, which costs $500 or $600, depending on model.

Harvey Rosenfield, director of the foundation, is calling on Apple to promise free battery replacements to the estimated half a million iPhone buyers who may have purchased the phone without knowing its true costs.

"This was insensitive, inappropriate and possibly illegal," he said. "We're going to monitor their response carefully."

Explanation of the fee now appears on Apple's Web site, although it's not clear when that was posted. Published reports indicate the notice was posted as early as the evening of June 29, though it was not easy to find.

Apple didn't immediately respond to requests for an interview for this story.

One week later
Blogs began mentioning the battery replacement fee early last week, after the launch. The first prominent reference to it seems to be in a Wall Street Journal column written by Walt Mossberg, which appeared in the newspaper on July 5.

But mention of the fee was absent from Mossberg's largely positive review of the iPhone, published in the Journal June 27.

In fact, price of the battery replacement was omitted from all four hands-on iPhone reviews published ahead of the product's release. Apple carefully controlled review units of the iPhone before June 29, allowing only Mossberg, The New York Times’ David Pogue, Newsweek's Steven Levy, and USAToday's Ed Baig to examine it. All four wrote extensive, highly detailed, and generally positive reviews. No mention of the $79 replacement fee or $29 rental fee appeared in any of them.

Those details didn’t appear in any of the the various “hands-off” reviews published by MSNBC.com prior to the iPhone’s launch, either.

Rosenfield said he's concerned that Apple deliberately chose to withhold the information from the public.

"The half million people who bought the iPhone were never told by the folks who wrote the reviews some of the most crucial information you have to have to make your purchase decision, and you have to ask why," he said.

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Some reviewers did allude to the battery replacement costs, but none offered specifics.

Pogue's column mentions the battery issue. He wrote that Apple told him the unit could only withstand 300-400 charges, and that there would be a fee for replacement. Possible battery failures also were mentioned in his tongue-in-cheek video, which appeared on the Times’ Web site. Pogue said he didn’t learn of the actual cost for the iPhone replacement until about a week later.

"I reported exactly what they told me," Pogue said. "They said the price hadn't been determined, but that it would be 'very similar to the iPod program.'"

Mossberg said he wouldn't discuss details of his reporting.

Levy, who wrote the lengthiest review, said he expected all along that the iPhone battery replacement cost would be in line with iPod battery replacement -- which costs about $65.

"It turns out that it will cost more, but not by a shocking amount considering that the iPhone is one costly piece of technology, as I certainly do mention in my review," Levy said.

He added that he didn't believe battery replacement would be a significant issue for consumers.

"Though my review was lengthy, there was a lot to discuss, and I felt that the flaws I did write about were definitely ones that would affect the experience of using an iPhone more than the one-time annoyance of replacing a battery," he said. "In discussing the iPhone with people, I found that the main battery concern was how long it would last on a single charge, which was something I could and did test."

Baig's e-mail indicates he is on vacation and was not reachable. His story mentions possible battery problems in passing: “You'd have to send the device to Apple or presumably a third party to swap a spent battery,” he wrote.

Given the public controversy over iPod batteries, and the stiff price of an iPhone replacement, Rosenfield said that tack-on price should have been an obvious element in any news story about the iPhone. Keeping the information out of early reviews could constitute a lack of disclosure on Apple's part, he said.

"The question you have to raise, after all the conversations about the iPod problems, how could every single top reviewer fail to mention … the practical problems associated with the iPhone?" he said.

Like iPod failure, only worse
There is a significant difference between iPod battery failure and iPhone battery failure. If an iPhone fails before two years pass, consumers will still be obligated to pay their monthly subscription fee to AT&T, regardless of whether or not they can use the service. Apple’s iPods have no associated monthly fee. And of course, for most people, living without an iPod for a few days is much more palatable than living without a cell phone.

The replacement fee does not apply to consumers who must replace the battery while it is covered by Apple’s 1-year warranty. But given Apple’s expectations of a 300-400 recharge lifespan, many iPhones will predictably require replacement during the second year of a contract.

Rosenfield also complained about other hidden iPhone fees: the iPhone return policy is only 14 days, as opposed to AT&T's 30-day return policy. And even consumers who beat that 14-day deadline -- say, if they bring the phone home and just can't get a working cell signal -- must pay a 10 percent restocking fee.

"We all love how cool Apple products look, but that doesn't mean there isn't something wrong with these policies that need to be recognized and addressed," Rosenfield said.
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 11:34 AM
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Gotta pay if you wanna play...
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 11:36 AM
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Well, if enough people make noise, I'm sure Apple will drop the fee and come up with a better solution than the must-send-to-Apple rule...?

Cuz, that's a pity for an otherwise pretty nifty device.
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 11:36 AM
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Another reason never to buy generation 1 technology.
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 11:54 AM
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Another reason never to buy generation 1 technology.
The current generation iPod batteries are no different.

You can either send it in, or buy a battery and do it yourself correct???
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 12:02 PM
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give me a break.

1) every knew the battery was enclosed.

2) the battery will last 300 - 400 CYCLES not charges. And if you read what a cycle is and how it works you'll realize it'll last over a year.

3) the battery wont die after said charges. The storage capacity begins to diminish. So its not like the phone becomes worthless.

4) apple has loaner phones availble while your phone is away. Yes it costs a small fee ( should be free.) But like scrib said you gotta pay to play.

Way i see it is apple didnt anything.
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 12:03 PM
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Another way the computer company/phone company "sticks it" to you

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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 12:12 PM
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give me a break.

1) every knew the battery was enclosed.

2) the battery will last 300 - 400 CYCLES not charges. And if you read what a cycle is and how it works you'll realize it'll last over a year.

3) the battery wont die after said charges. The storage capacity begins to diminish. So its not like the phone becomes worthless.

4) apple has loaner phones availble while your phone is away. Yes it costs a small fee ( should be free.) But like scrib said you gotta pay to play.

Way i see it is apple didnt anything.
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 12:24 PM
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 12:29 PM
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Just one more reason why I will never buy an iPhone.
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 12:33 PM
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Why is this not in the iPhone thread? Oh wait, it already is. And btw, this is same old same old for the ipod line so
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 12:53 PM
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Why not make the phone battery access openable instead of sealed....like every other phone on the market?
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 12:57 PM
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Why not make the phone battery access openable instead of sealed....like every other phone on the market?
We puny brains can't figure out battery replacement....
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Originally Posted by Siddig
give me a break.

1) every knew the battery was enclosed.

2) the battery will last 300 - 400 CYCLES not charges. And if you read what a cycle is and how it works you'll realize it'll last over a year.

3) the battery wont die after said charges. The storage capacity begins to diminish. So its not like the phone becomes worthless.

4) apple has loaner phones availble while your phone is away. Yes it costs a small fee ( should be free.) But like scrib said you gotta pay to play.

Way i see it is apple didnt anything.
oVER A YEAR?!?!??!!? OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!! im running to the apple store right now!!! :chrisfarleyrunninganimation:

you gotta pay to play, LULZ!!!!!!!!!!!

i agree, apple didnt anything. lmao
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Why not make the phone battery access openable instead of sealed....like every other phone on the market?
Cuz, like...some silly NA kid will try to release the casing too hard and take his/her eye out and thus, resulting in the family taking Apple to court and asking for bazillions of dollars in damages. Yeah.

Same reason why toys aren't spring loaded and stuff anymore in NA.












I tried.

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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by srika
oVER A YEAR?!?!??!!? OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!! im running to the apple store right now!!! :chrisfarleyrunninganimation:

you gotta pay to play, LULZ!!!!!!!!!!!

i agree, apple didnt anything. lmao
Well, DUH. By next year, you'll want the iPhone NANO.
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^ And then...the year after that, they'll make the iPhone Mini...and etc. etc. You'll never want to switch batteries cuz like, you'll always wanna upgrade!
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Yumchah
Cuz, like...some silly NA kid will try to release the casing too hard and take his/her eye out and thus, resulting in the family taking Apple to court and asking for bazillions of dollars in damages. Yeah.

Same reason why toys aren't spring loaded and stuff anymore in NA.












I tried.

The safety police are in control....that and Apple makes alot of coin off of this design.
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
The safety police are in control....that and Apple makes alot of coin off of this design.
Well, just imagine some super-rich (but dummy-dumb-dumb) blond kid who gets one as a gift but like...swallows it. Guess what his uber-powerful mommy and daddy's gonna do...? Yeah, exactly.



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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Why not make the phone battery access openable instead of sealed....like every other phone on the market?
Keeping customers dependant on Apple for all hardware is an apple tradition. No removable batter >> reliance on apple as the only battery replacement source >> they can charge the million or so users $80 for a $5 battery every other year or so.
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Originally Posted by Siddig
give me a break.

1) every knew the battery was enclosed.

2) the battery will last 300 - 400 CYCLES not charges. And if you read what a cycle is and how it works you'll realize it'll last over a year.

3) the battery wont die after said charges. The storage capacity begins to diminish. So its not like the phone becomes worthless.

4) apple has loaner phones availble while your phone is away. Yes it costs a small fee ( should be free.) But like scrib said you gotta pay to play.

Way i see it is apple didnt anything.
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by srika
oVER A YEAR?!?!??!!? OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!! im running to the apple store right now!!! :chrisfarleyrunninganimation:

you gotta pay to play, LULZ!!!!!!!!!!!

i agree, apple didnt anything. lmao
show me a lith ion that doesn't begin losing a charge after so many cycles.
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Originally Posted by Siddig
show me a lith ion that doesn't begin losing a charge after so many cycles.


Quite right. Still, it just baffles me why Apple has to be so :smitler: about battery replacements.



Obviously, there is a revenue gain (and business case in Apple's perspective)...But still, that's just kinda low IMO in trying to rape and pillage a customer's $$$ even more in a product.
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Siddig
show me a lith ion that doesn't begin losing a charge after so many cycles.
Show me a lith ion that costs $100 & takes 3 days to replace
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 01:48 PM
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The author of that article needs to get down off his/her high effin' horse about no advanced warning from reviewers and Apple purposely withholding information. How many advanced review copies of products are ever sent out with accompanying statements about the service and support? My bet: none.
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Siddig
show me a lith ion that doesn't begin losing a charge after so many cycles.
my treo 650 is on its original Li-ion battery.. its charge lasts just as long as it did the day I got it, in January 2005. Now, I haven't measured anything, so this is an estimate - all I know is, a full charge will currently give me 5-7 days of regular usage. And that is not much different than the day I got it. Now, I would replace the Treo, if I had the need. But, the thing WILL JUST NOT DIE!!!!!!!!! and, it rarely crashes. It does everything I need it to at this point. I thought it was dead a couple of weeks ago - it wouldn't turn on for a few hours. But then it came back to life and now its back to its prior state... lulz
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^ Actually, I hate to say it...but after supporting these hellspawned devices for a couple of years, the Treo blows more than a million iPhone internal batteries.






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^ Actually, I hate to say it...but after supporting these hellspawned devices for a couple of years, the Treo blows more than Bay's Transformer Movie....and that is saying alot!!






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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 03:46 PM
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I agree, supporting them sux. I do it too. I am only talking about my own. It does NOT blow.
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if you cant figure out how to change a battery in your phone by opening it yourself then god help us all
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if you cant figure out how to change a battery in your phone by opening it yourself then Apple help us all
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 07:40 PM
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true.

But to srika. Yes, not all batteries are the same. Some will deteriorate faster then others. Not every iphone is going to start losing its charge after 400 cycles, but its nice they gave a life expectancy. I have had laptop batteries start to dump out after a year. Some two years. My 10gb ipod from 2002 is still going strong with a full charge. Its really luck of the draw in this dept.
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Sly Raskal
The current generation iPod batteries are no different.

You can either send it in, or buy a battery and do it yourself correct???
Didn't the Gen 1 iPod have horrible battery problems? That's what I was referring to, not the act of changing the battery.
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Old Jul 10, 2007 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by NetEditor
Didn't the Gen 1 iPod have horrible battery problems? That's what I was referring to, not the act of changing the battery.
I still dont know if that is really true or not. Apple did run in to battery issues over the years. As I said, luck of the draw. My 1st gen still work like new.
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Originally Posted by Siddig
true.

But to srika. Yes, not all batteries are the same. Some will deteriorate faster then others. Not every iphone is going to start losing its charge after 400 cycles, but its nice they gave a life expectancy. I have had laptop batteries start to dump out after a year. Some two years. My 10gb ipod from 2002 is still going strong with a full charge. Its really luck of the draw in this dept.
I can agree to that.
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Just one more reason why I will never buy an iPhone.
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Old Jul 11, 2007 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Yumchah
^ Actually, I hate to say it...but after supporting these hellspawned devices for a couple of years, the Treo blows more than a million iPhone internal batteries.






srika.


Sorry but YES the treo does blow... I gave my 650 to my GF.

Palm O/S is dead (no longer being made) and not to mention a seriously BRAIN dead O/S... Srika needs to part ways with his device and realize the current Palm O/S has no future

Although next revision of Palm O/S it is suppose to be Linux based. If this pans out to be true it'll rock

Until then Windows Mobile 2005/2006 >>>>> Palm O/S
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Jobs and the Apple crew believe very strongly in simple clean lines to their devices. The end result it devices that need specialized tools to open, if it can open at all.

The result is non-user serviceable devices. The old MacSE couldnt be opened without a torx t-15 that was 12" long. IIRC some of the Mac laptops didnt even have a user replaceable battery. This iPhone is no different, and I dont think you will see a user replaceable battery in 2nd gen. And what? I am supposed to be without my phone for how long while I wait for the factory to replace the battery? Forget it.

This makes the phone unacceptable to me. I have had to replace the battery in every phone I have ever owned at least once. This phone is no different. And what? I am supposed to be without my phone for how long while I wait for the factory to replace the battery? Forget it. I will buy someone else's device.

But... Will it hurt sales for Apple - hell no. There are enough folks out there who chase the bleeding edge must have devices that will be replacing their 1st gens with 2nd gens before the battery dies on them.

Apple has every intention of turning the iPhone into a disposable, just like the iPod. A $600 disposable.
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And what? I am supposed to be without my phone for how long while I wait for the factory to replace the battery?
Again. The turnaround is 3 business days and Apple offers a loaner iphone for 30 bucks. So, no you wont have to be without a phone.

Yes, it blows they charge for the loaner. That is the one thing I don't agree with as I think it should be a courtesy from apple. But oh well, at least you know you wont be without a phone.
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