Hey guys,

I dont know if this is possible, but I want to burn MP3 CDs that does not have gaps in between the mp3s(tracks) so I can play MP3 CDs without any interruption, especially like playing DJ mixes that just flow.

I know with AUDIO cds I can do disc at once or crossfade to eliminate any pauses whle playing the CD, but still have the ability to forward to other tracks.

Does anyone know how to resolve this issue with mp3s?

thanx in advance.

 

most software like roxio and nero can do it, its usually under one of the advanced tabs

 

no, they cant. thats why im asking if anyone found a special way to do it. Mp3 are burnt randomly unlike audio CDA tracks, so it takes time to seek, thus the pause, I want to know if there is a special way to burn Mp3s, like is there away to crossfade mp3s?

 

i know you can in roxio, ive done it before. it was under one of the other programs for burning. it allowed you to blend to gether and eliminate teh gap between songs

 

to burn an Audio cd, yes.

not an MP3 cd.

 

Not sure on MP3's...I've done it many times on on other types of music....If you want, let me know, send me the file and i'll see if I can do it on my end using Roxio..Email it to me!

 

do you have the platinum version of roxio?

 

^^ I do...I think I know I have more than the basic version...

 

send you what file? i dont think you understand what Im asking.

I have a continous mix over 120 MB one mp3 file. I've splitted the file into smallers mp3s so I can skip to anywhere I want. Now when those files are burnt into AN MP3 CD, and played back, there is a 1 second pause between the mp3s. Im trying to find away to eliminate that. So far thru my searching, everyone says it cant be done.

again guys, it an MP3 cd, not an Audio CD, which is completely different and yes, with Audio Cd the gaps can be removed.

 

im almost positive you can with it under one of the other programs with it. (cant remember which one, like sound stream or something like that??)

 

So come over and bring the CD here, I'll see what I can do with it!

 

you can eliminate the size of the pause in mp3 too

 

ok, take it from a guy who knows computer science in and out. Im a looking for a software that can take authoritive command on where to write to the playlist bits on a CD...this is a hardware issue, not software, Roxio and Nero will not do it.

My pauses can only be solved at the moment if an mp3 player prebuffs the next mp3 in play, which my car mp3 player doesnt, and almost none of the mp3 players do. So I need a custom written software that can do on fly writing while maintaining the playlist so the mp3 player doesnt have to seek all over to find the next mp3.

i just thought someone may have written such an app.

 

Kris, i removed the digital silence, there is none.

 

ShoofinTL, just take some mp3s, and make an mp3 cd, and play it, you will see what im talking about.

 

If you say so...I guess you tried with Roxio?

 

Roxio, Nero, PlextorTools, Alcoholic120%, some other crappy sofware.... i've been searching google for the past 3 hours.

I guess either I can join all the mp3s and play it like that, so I wont be able to skip anything, or just stick to Audio CDs.

this bites. thank you guys for your help! I greatly appriciate it.

 

i guess i dont understand what you are trying to do then???

 

let me repeat again. I want to burn bunch of mp3s on an mp3 cd, and play it in my car's HU without having the 1 second pauses between the mp3s... i want it to be continuous, like in Audio CDs (where you can remove the gaps)

 

cant you burn it that way as 1 continous song with out any markers? or do you want to keep them? there has to be a way i have cds that are all 1 continous song but has markers in it to go to the next songs

 

ill have to play around later to see

 

i can only have it continuous if i dont split the mp3s, but make it one huge mp3 and play it, but then I cant jump/skip ahead....and yes you can have it in one file and a cue sheet,but that works when burning only not playback.

right now im playing with m3u lists, to see what i can do with it.

 

what about audio editing software like acid or soundforge......If these programs can edit mp3's, then that should be able to do it.

 

I don't think the problem is with your CDs, unless your software is inserting 1 second of silence into each file. More likely, the culprit is your playback device(s).

Most MP3 CD players that I've encountered appear to go through this sequence when switching songs: stop playing, close file, seek new file, open file, start playing. The close-seek-open sequence takes time (especially with a slow medium like CD) and is what you hear as a gap between songs.

In order for the CD player to avoid the gap, it would need to seek, open, and begin buffering the next track while the current track is playing. I've really only seen that done on a PC and in hard-drive based MP3 players.

With the limitations of the player in mind, the only way to definitely achieve what you want is to encode the list of songs as one large MP3 file.

Mike

 

Thanx for the response. Does anyone ever read the thread fully before posting? I already mentioned everything you have described

I'll just burn Audio CDs for DJ mixes.

Now, to hijack my own thread, I've been trying a million appz to copy DVDs (backups). And I cant find software that performs good transcoding (compression). I know the best way is to burn dual layer DVD but those DVDs are expensive. I've tired DVD Shrink, 1clickDvDCopy, InterVideo, etc.. etc... so Im open to suggestions.

 

Sure, you mentioned it, but you don't seem to truly understand that the limitation is in your car player, and you simply cannot surmount it by manipulating bits just so in the playlist.

So, instead of working on a wordy explanation like I did, here's a short one:

"You can't."

Mike

 

oh yes, so when i was saying that my player doesnt support pre-buffering, so i cant do it, was this too wordy?
the process of mp3 burning is random unlike CDA, with the playlist, i was thinking that make it easier for the player to find its next mp3 in queue, would make the gap seems less annoying.

 

lame pvt msg from svtmike:

Thanks for wasting my time.
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I'm done trying to assist you.

Mike

You were assisting me? Or being a parrot? Dude, you seem old enough, but I dont get it, I've lost my respect for you, you are acting like a little kid. My last post you So, you are right, pleast stop wasting your time. Im glad that my professors never told me to stop wasting their time when I had a question. Software/hardware was my major, my current profession. Simply, Im a computer geek. I just thought that someone who can understand what Im getting at and was willing to design basic coding draft with me. I want to find a solution to this. I dont settle for 'You Can't", as of currently I can't. Perhaps, this is the wrong forum so it is my fault for posting it here. The moment I will arrive at a solution, I will gladly post the code.

Take Care. Have a great new year.

:padlock: :padlock: :padlock:

 

You're a legend in your own mind. We await your brilliant code with bated breath.

Mike

 

you are a dildo. what are you 2? man, act your age and be rational and respectful.

 

 

As for your second question about the dvd software: your asking about any new software just to copy movie correct?? Well I normally use, like everyone else DVDXcopy, but my boy has been talking about anyDVD + cloneDVD, use them both together and you can fit all the menus on one disc. Haven't tried it myself yet.

 

Sorry guys, movie's over.

Mike

 

 

dude, TK, stop being an ass. Mike was trying to help.

I tend to agree with him that its a HW issue and no form of CD burning on the planet will help. Even if you did burn the MP3s in your super special front to back mode, the CD being a Data CD will still have a File System, like the FAT Table in FAT32. so there will still b seek time as the Read head moves from Data, to File Table back to Data.

As for Mike being a parrot, I couldnt figure out what you meant until I went back and re-read your posts. If he skimmed over the post as I did, he may not have even noticed what you said about pre-buffering. But lets look a little closer here,

That combination of mentions of Software and Hardware confused the shit out of me as well. If you truly think that this can be solved by some magic peice of burning software, why not burn 2 mp3s on a blank CD. Being the only two files on the entire disc, they will end up next to each other and should play "seamlessly" as you would like.

As for your DVD Question, can you elaborate on what you didnt like about the tools you have tried? I have used DVD-Shrink along with DVD Decryptor and then Nero to Burn and even on an HD Set, I didnt notice hardly any difference between the real one and the copy.
Also keep in mind that single layer movies (while rare) can be copied with DVD Decryptor directly by using the Raw Read and Raw Write modes. No need to Decrypt them at all.

 

Thanks for calling me an ass. I will come up with a solution may it be firmware or low level coding on my part. I want to make the firmware follow I guess a special play list that will direct to the next mp3 faster, Im trying to work with the queue. Im not giving up, because everything is possile if you have the knowledge for it, or at least a will. I have a few other theories, and I will try each of them.

Since I do not want to use DL DVDs because they are expensive, compression and transcoding is my only option on single layer DVD.... I noticed that same color on dvd gets pixelated, sometimes even those infamous squares pop-up. But, there is nothing I can do, trying to squeez almost 8GB on 4.38Gb is good enough I guess.

Question, Im backing up Sopranos, how do I go about burning just the videos witohut the menus, but still be able to switch between the episodes? Can I write each espisode as one huge chapter?

 

MP3 also has the problem of the ID3v1 tag - which is always at the end of the file. Most players will go looking for these tags (since we all like to see the song name etc.), so even if the files are right after one another there will still be a seek to the end of file less the tag length, (attempt to) read tag, and seek back to beginning of file.

ID3v2 tags are placed at the beginning of the file, but from what I've seen most of the MP3 CD playback devices go for the lowest common denominator, and read only ID3v1.

Mike

 

i did notice in burning ISO level 1&2 over Joilet....it seems the smaller the string 8+3 characters, the less hesitation, i guess its how my HU is designed.

Mike, you are right about the tags.

 

Take a look with DVD Shrink to see the size of the menus. Change from Compress All Mode to Re-Author mode (I know i'm screwing up their lingo but you should be able to figure it out)
I would venture to guess that the menus dont take up hardly any room.
Not that you would want to, but you could also make a custom set of DVDs.
like if their DL Disks have 8 episodes per dvd, you could burn just the first 5 in full quality, then combine the last 3 and first 2 into the next disc, etc. You will still have alot more DVDs then they do, but not quite doulble if you get lucky.

As for pixelation, what model DVD player do you most frequently use?

 

Plextor 716a and I use taio yuden TYG02 DVDs.

Dont get me wrong the quality is good as on a big screen, but i can see the stuff i've mentioned when watching it on the small screen. Most ppl will not notice the video blemishes.

Sopranos have 4 episodes per CD.