oh i know i know... none of the good things sprints doing means anything.

because `verizon is working on it` lol


its funny how we just had all those arguments last week...


sprints `shortmail` being so crappy...

the lack of streaming video to phones...


when you supposedly `know` all this stuff we the public do not.


and then within days... sprint goes public with their identical to Verizon SMS system. (oh yea im sure behind the scenes the packets look different or travel on different frequency or whatever the f- your argument will be... lol... but to the end user... identical)

and then ATT goes live with streaming video. sprint launches their first step with mobiltv... and now theres strong rumors all over the web that sprint has full motion streaming coming very soon.

 

Dude,

How many times did you call my dirty jersey ass and yell at me how shitty my service is? (Admittedly you could of been yelling at me for my Nextel just as much for my Sprint LOL). I sweat the Sprint phones no doubt but they're shit in central Jersey is ass. Northern NJ is OK since were near NYC and they matter most lol. I realized that the most important thing to me was call quality not features. Hell, my current phone is an LG VX3100. That if anything shows what kind of user I am. Fucking thing has like 3 ring tones and is black and white.

 

you know damn well whenever i yell at you it was for Nextel


'please hold while the nextel subscriber u are trying to reach is located'

lol

 

PLENTY of times I called you on Sprint, why would I switch? I incurred a $150 penalty for switching to Verizon which I gladly paid out of frustration.

 

i believe you man. all im saying is you know damn well my yelling at you was cuz of that goddamn nextel message.

lol


all im saying is ive been in N. Jersey... paramus area over a dozen times this year with my SCP5300 and never a reception problem.

granted i never stray far out of the Rt 17 shopping areas or the Meadowlands... so my opinion on that may be nill.

 

Any figures.

Who got the most new customers and who lost the most? Any estimates?

 

I'm work on the website (on my day off). Gheez, you can't even hire good work these days, to update a simple website. I guess we laid off too many IT people..... :angry:

You can always go to the Sprint store, they have the same deals. Call first, cause these phones are "disappearing."

 

Sprint "store" you say? You mean like actual physical location? What is this the stone age?

 

i hate that fuckin message...

 

Yeah, in the early stages of distribution, the actually phones make it to priority channels first. If Best Buy is planning a big Sunday ad, phones go there first. If the Sprint stores are expecting a lot of holiday traffic, they need phones. Unfortunatly the website doesn't do a lot of business, it is mostly used for reference and information. But they promise me overnight it'll be there, some SNAFU.

 

someone answer me a question about cellularone.......

did they one day have their own network?

i know they are retail now... but they used to have their own network unless they used someone elses.

i remember back before the startac id always get a Nextel like message callign Cell One people.


who bought them out if they did have their own network? this was pre-Verizon... back when i had Bell Atlantic

 

I am pretty sure BAM did.

or they used BAM's. They had decent service so that could have been it. BAM and ATT were the only good services back in the mid 90s in the Northeast.

 

I think Cellular One is what Cingular used to be in Jersey...

 

naa cellular one just resells cingular now it hink.

or do u mean Cingular is what CellOne used to be?

 

Verizon hands down..I have had cingular,...they suck...cool phones, but that's about it! Verizon has the best customer service and the best reception!

 

i know the answer. are you gonna believe me if I tell you?

 

best reception---no way... totally subjective.

best total coverage---most def.

best customer service---not in my experience!

 

yea if you dont get corrected and backtrack later on.....

 

so you go from putting in newspaper clippings in this thread, to singing the same tune, to copying my lines.

do you come up with anything on your own?

i don't blame you, obviously you are outclassed in the particular forum, perhaps your time will be better spent in the home video forum.

okay, here's the deal since you didn't get it ... lube up ...

SMS is the way youre supposed to do text messaging. It works one way on CDMA, and a different way on GSM. Sprint tried (and failed) to integrate all their services into Vision. Now you are seeing one of those services being ripped out of Vision. Short mail sucked, we all know, but that what happens when you don't do things the way you are supposed to.

Now if you need me to explain to you how SMS works, just ask. There is a reason why it works so much better than Sprint's short mail. Here's some info for you to churn those gears over. SMS works faster on GSM because they use the paging channel instead of the traffic channel to deliver the message. Do you see how this is faster?

 

So then everything about Sprint is the same ... eventually ???

 

how is ANY OF THIS in contrast to what i said? lol... it sounds to me like your just repeating MY FACTS. haha

GSM has absolutely zero to do with any of this since neither Verizon or Sprint are GSM.

 

fotis your trying to talk big and your just sounding very childish.

the last 5 posts in this thread are nothing but grandstanding... much a do about nothin.

you havent made a single point, or corrected anything said.


youre trying to make, me, ken, your companies competitors, and anyone else that disagrees with your nonsense look bad.... but your failing at that too.


please for the love of god FIND SOMETHING YOUR GOOD AT besides BEING A CHILD. then come and talk about it...


your statements sound like a little kid repeating "I know you are but what am I"

 

Well sprint hasn't really done anything. They are the third company out with PTT. let me explain to you my point about the analysts. each one has their own view. at first, everybody pointed at "latency" (which they totally mis-use the word), then some looked at "latency" more in depth, for call setup, and for intra-call. some look at voice quality, some look at handsets. some look at the BIG picture: which phone works in more places, most reliably ... more tradtional things like pricing, customer service.

for each of these, you have different "winners" so to speak.

what I'm saying, junior, is that picking one of these quotes, and running with it is pretty near-sighted.

EVERYBODY has SMS before Sprint, so they are dead last. It will still be some time before anybody can use it, they have 15 million people out there with phones that can't do SMS.

Video messaging is not streaming video ... i am pretty sure you aren't confused with that. They have one handset out with it know, there are more coming from more providers.

If you call sprint's & at&t's video "streaming" ... then verizon has it too. I think they all suck.

you are a product of marketing and somebody sending you free phones. if you stop getting up on that soapbox, i can stop knocking you back off it.

 

oh.

you truly are a lost cause.

i was trying to give you some facts since you have none.

but you prefer to keep running around in a circle like a dog chained to a post?

what is it with you?

 

Ken and I poke fun at each other.

The intent of that post was to sound childish.

It's our little personal joke about RETARDS on the internet.

Stay the heck out. :shakehd:

 

first... one point where you are totally wrong.

sprint and verizon are NOT offering anything like ATT's new video services via EDGE. they are the only company to announce full motion video streaming that i know of. if they aren't... then all your statements from that previous post are wrong... and youve proven me right. heh

second... you havent knocked me off anything... as ive yet to see any posts agree with you in these debates. yet theres been several agreeing with me.

third... so everyone else is wrong using "latency" as the term except you? so what is the correct term Sir Knows More than EVERYONE.

fourth... yes theres different winners in every category. i agree completely.

fifth... yes i know sending a freakin video file is not video streaming. lol

sixth... back to text messaging... yes sprint is dead last with SMS. thats what i said... thats what "they fixed it" implies, no? youve heard me complain countless times about Short Mail. but your correct... they fucked up by depreciating all their old handsets. never questioned that.

 

you didnt post any facts on-topic. the only facts you posted were in regards to GSM...

who is talking about GSM?

when did i mention GSM?


why would you try to make it look like i was WRONG on a point which i never made?


lol


your fishing for something to catch me on... im sure there truly is something... so you dont need to keep making stuff up.

haha

 

this is gonna be another one of those, quote all of fotis's posts back to back threads. your back tracking all over the place again.

you ran away from the last one after you got smacked down to earth...

lets see what ya do this time............ junior.

 

oh yay.

didnt LOOK like an inside joke to me so it wouldnt to the hundred other people on here besides you two either.

LOOKS like more of your blabber.

and im not quite sure what "So then everything about Sprint is the same ... eventually ???" has to do with "retards on the internet." (one more example of fotis thinking hes better than everyone else)


and you should know better... when you POST something on a PUBLIC FORUM for all future generations to see..... nobody is gonna `Stay the heck out`

 

ok im out... you have a a few more hours to think about some more ways make yourself look like your in the wrong career.

 

ding ding ding...and the battle settles for another couple of hours...as fotis is in one corner and adam is in another.....

 

it really isn't much of a battle.

i get the little boy all riled up, tease him, and then walk away like an adult.

he keeps biting, i think this is the fourth or fifth time. not that he knows any better, he really doesn't know who I am or what I do.

i've gotten a few phone calls from those who do understand. it doesn't really matter to me if he understands in the end, because ... well ... i just don't care.

 

i understand it didnt look that way to you, that's why I told you. does everything go right over your head?

the above discussion is between me and Ken. if he wants to explain it to you, then you'll understand, otherwise, you'll still be confused tomorrow.

i'm sorry that it is the case that I do know more than everyone else on here regarding this topic, it isn't my fault, don't hate on me because of that. i'm not shy to ask questions about home theater, or large caliber firearms ... why do you have such an ego problem with this subject?

 

I'm staying out of this one, but Soopa does have a point that you really haven't been making any valid or coherent argument here. You start talking about GSM and SMS, yet both Sprint and Verizon don't run on GSM, do I don't understand your argument. That's all I have to say on this issue.

Here's my

I have Sprint. I spend most of my time in the NYC metro area or in CT close to a major interstate. I have no issues whatsoever with coverage in populated areas. If I stray into some less populated areas, my coverage goes to crap. My gf has Verizon. She gets better coverage in those areas, but where we spend 99% of our time, both services are about equal.

Overall Verizon has Sprint beat with coverage, but in populated areas it's more of a wash.

The one thing that would keep me from Verizon is their customer support. This is a story of what happened to my friend 2 days ago:

He had Autopay set up to pay his monthly Verizon payment. He paid off a lot of bills and he ran up a higher than usual phone bill. It turned out that his phone bill ran $10 more than what he had in his checking, so the Autopay was rejected.

Now, the date Verizon tried to pull the $$ was 5 days before the due date on his bill, yet Verizon promptly shut off his service. No warning, nothing. Just a dead phone. And get this.. He was a Verizon customer for over 2 years!!

He then calls customer service and gets a rude woman on the phone. She refuses to turn on the phone until he pays the balance due. He mentions that he still has 5 days to pay, but she refuses. They get into an argument and she then said something to the effect of "it's not my problem you can't make enough $$ to pay your bills".

In the end, due to the rude treatment, he was able to get out of his contract and is considering either AT&T or Sprint now.

I know this is only one story, but I've heard similar experiences. Sometimes when a company gets too big, they get cocky and their customer service/treament falls - not good for them in the long-run IMO

 

Verizon Wireless doesnt shut off your phone unless you dont pay for 3 months

Then they shut off outgoing

a week or so after that your shut off altoghether.....

Happens to me every 3 months or so....not because I cant afford the bill more because of laziness to go into a verizon store and pay it....and I dont like having it on autopay because ive had problems with that.....

 

I trust my friend's word... He missed 1 autopay date and it was still before his actual due date.

It was a mess-up which he knew it was, but the major point that he had (and the point of my story) was the horrible treatment he got on the phone

 

Thank you cusdaddy.


Fotis just reiterated my points with his past posts. When he has absolutely no ground to stand on he gets out his stubborn ego-stick and says "well im the adult so naa naa naa naa naaaaaa naaaaaaaa" haha.

I could probably name everyone who `called` fotis and understood. Its probably the same handful that called me and `understood` lol

There is a select few on here who want to be everyones friend and will agree with whomever their face-to-face with.


Then theres the random people who ive never once spoken to on a personal level who have IM'd or PM'd me out of the blue to say how they to see how Fotis does not know even the very basics of how stuff works.

Fotis reads headlines and bold print in press releases and white papers. Whenever it comes down to the basic details he either tosses out an irrelevent buzzword or turns it into a personal attack.

 

Maybe he cant say some stuff because it might cost him his job?? so he can only take headlines and what's already out in the public..i know some people in the industry to try to keep everythign they do hush hush cause it's not worth me blabbing it to other people....

 

ya thats fine... but im not talking about rumors and future plans here. im talking about what is and what isnt...

 

vzw will not shut off your phone for one missed payment. unless he's had a prior history of this or a failed commitment to pay (broken promises) then his phone would get shut off.... i've never (when i was a consumer) ever had a problem w vzw cust serv. i do believe, imo, that they are in fact excellent at making the customer happy, even if it means bending over backwards....

honestly, whats with all the debate? no need to break a sweat over it, to each their own... verizon is the best all-around carrier out there... the consumers know it and the vzw corporate people know it... comparing numbers post-lnp kickoff with various co-workers in diff departments in diff parts of the country only proves where we stand. anyway... off my soapbox... this debate means nothing to me. i'm not in marketing (not so much), so i dont need to prove my point of view outside of my job.... the quarterly numbers mean everything....