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Old 12-17-2011 | 08:51 AM
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Carrier IQ, pfft... Watch these videos.

http://www.thecaseforprivacy.com/blogs/news
Old 12-17-2011 | 09:50 AM
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Sure,
the idea that someone could track my every keystroke, move, step and the porn I watch while my wife is at work is kinda intimidating. But is someone really watching me? Doubtful, my life is just not that interesting. Besides, Google already tracks my every word and where I park.

https://acurazine.com/forums/ramblings-12/google-wants-know-where-you-park-841635/

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Old 12-17-2011 | 11:19 AM
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Old 12-17-2011 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Marco
Sure,
the idea that someone could track my every keystroke, move, step and the porn I watch while my wife is at work is kinda intimidating. But is someone really watching me? Doubtful, my life is just not that interesting. Besides, Google already tracks my every word and where I park.

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=841635
That's just it... mostly everyone you'd ask feels the same way, including me (kind of). It's not intimidating, just eerie and creepy. It's not just corporations or governments that can do this stuff now. It's anyone. Eerie and creepy. Should we just accept this?

BTW, I started that meteorite of a thread too
Old 12-17-2011 | 06:19 PM
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yeah that's why you disable BT wireless, WiFi and if you are really paranoid, turn the phone's radio off... and do other things like take the battery out if you want to turn it off.

Hackers can also do things like get a cellular repeater and use it to scam all the phones of their information
Old 12-17-2011 | 06:42 PM
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If you want privacy, don't use a cell phone. Simple as that.

OMG my carrier knows where I am!
Old 12-17-2011 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
If you want privacy, don't use a cell phone. Simple as that.

OMG my carrier knows where I am!
It's not the carrier that I'm concerned about. Watch a few more of those videos.
Old 12-17-2011 | 06:55 PM
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I really really really don't get the craze about privacy issues. I don't give a shit if people know I'm watching porn or going to a porn shop. Wtf. Are these complainers child molesters, meth cookers, drug dealers, or murderers or something? Why the hell does it matter if people know what you type or what text message you sent? Sorry, I just don't get it. Maybe there's more people out there than I thought doing crap that they're not supposed to do. Cause I sure as hell don't care about any of these privacy crap
Old 12-17-2011 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by knight rider
It's not the carrier that I'm concerned about. Watch a few more of those videos.
Oh I'm well aware of cell phones and how they're monitored...
Old 12-17-2011 | 09:40 PM
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I really really really don't get the craze about privacy issues. I don't give a shit if people know I'm watching porn or going to a porn shop. Wtf. Are these complainers child molesters, meth cookers, drug dealers, or murderers or something? Why the hell does it matter if people know what you type or what text message you sent? Sorry, I just don't get it. Maybe there's more people out there than I thought doing crap that they're not supposed to do. Cause I sure as hell don't care about any of these privacy crap
Nobody cares if you watch porn.

I am trying to argue my point without sounding paranoid. That's hard to do using asymmetrical text based communication, but trust me that's not my thing. What concerns me is that everything I say or do on my phone can be subject to monitoring, period. While I have nothing to hide there is something just not right about practically any Joe Shmoe having that kind of access to my private life.

I get that most people think their private lives are so typical that they are not worth the effort, but that's just not the case. Governments, businesses and independent snoopers think that you are "interesting enough" otherwise they would not track what you do. So to me the question becomes, "why am I so interesting to "whoever"? Governments do it for big brother measures. Businesses do it to monetize your private information with or without your digitized consent. Individuals do it to stalk you to some degree or another.

I remember when I thought wiretapping and bugs were interesting (back in the day) and just recently in every major city there are cameras every-freakin'-where. Now that almost everyone owns their own private "bug" in which to be monitored by, in detail, this opens every law abiding citizen up to what used to be reserved for criminal investigations.

My thought is that if you aren't doing anything then you should be left alone. Unfortunately those days are over, and that's a bad thing. I wonder what life would be like without a cellphone (or a computer for that matter)? I can't imagine going back there and neither can you and that is what those who think you are "interesting enough" are counting on.
Old 12-17-2011 | 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by knight rider
Nobody cares if you watch porn.

I am trying to argue my point without sounding paranoid. That's hard to do using asymmetrical text based communication, but trust me that's not my thing. What concerns me is that everything I say or do on my phone can be subject to monitoring, period. While I have nothing to hide there is something just not right about practically any Joe Shmoe having that kind of access to my private life.

I get that most people think their private lives are so typical that they are not worth the effort, but that's just not the case. Governments, businesses and independent snoopers think that you are "interesting enough" otherwise they would not track what you do. So to me the question becomes, "why am I so interesting to "whoever"? Governments do it for big brother measures. Businesses do it to monetize your private information with or without your digitized consent. Individuals do it to stalk you to some degree or another.

I remember when I thought wiretapping and bugs were interesting (back in the day) and just recently in every major city there are cameras every-freakin'-where. Now that almost everyone owns their own private "bug" in which to be monitored by, in detail, this opens every law abiding citizen up to what used to be reserved for criminal investigations.

My thought is that if you aren't doing anything then you should be left alone. Unfortunately those days are over, and that's a bad thing. I wonder what life would be like without a cellphone (or a computer for that matter)? I can't imagine going back there and neither can you and that is what those who think you are "interesting enough" are counting on.
I wasn't attacking you so I apologize if you thought my reply was against you. I was reading through that article and a lot was just complaining about stuff that I thought was trivial in my view.

But I would have to argue that your response to my response is still pretty general. You say that you don't like to be monitored. You don't like business trying to monetize. You don't like snoopers snooping. I just want to have a different view on why you don't like these things? I'm not saying I have a fetish for people watching me through my window. It's uncomfortable when people are watching me, yes. But what's with this craze about the lesser side of monitoring? They're not literally WATCHING you. They're tracking you in ways of statistics.

Also, not every Joe can access your private life. If there is a threat, then protect yourself as you would if a stranger is coming to physically attack you. Don't complain about being tracked but yet you still voluntarily use that cell phone. The problem can be solved by simply turning off or stop using the cell phone. But do people do that? Hell no. Thus it's their own fault for not protecting themselves. Having a cell phone is not a right.
Old 12-17-2011 | 10:37 PM
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I wasn't attacking you so I apologize if you thought my reply was against you. I was reading through that article and a lot was just complaining about stuff that I thought was trivial in my view.

But I would have to argue that your response to my response is still pretty general. You say that you don't like to be monitored. You don't like business trying to monetize. You don't like snoopers snooping. I just want to have a different view on why you don't like these things? I'm not saying I have a fetish for people watching me through my window. It's uncomfortable when people are watching me, yes. But what's with this craze about the lesser side of monitoring? They're not literally WATCHING you. They're tracking you in ways of statistics.

Also, not every Joe can access your private life. If there is a threat, then protect yourself as you would if a stranger is coming to physically attack you. Don't complain about being tracked but yet you still voluntarily use that cell phone. The problem can be solved by simply turning off or stop using the cell phone. But do people do that? Hell no. Thus it's their own fault for not protecting themselves. Having a cell phone is not a right.
No offense taken. This is good dialog. I thought my response was specific enough. However, yes, generally speaking I do not like the idea of law abiding citizens being monitored. I don't see digital monitoring as "the lesser side". I see it as an approach to piecing together a persons life one session at a time. At least a peeping tom is just a perv that can do no harm other than the act itself. Digital tracking is not statistics. Your private conversations, thoughts, location and even physical attributes can be pieced together in less than an hour to paint a vivid picture of your life. Imagine a total stranger walking up to you, knowing who you are, telling you things that you and only a few others should know about you.

Any Joe Shmoe can monitor you with freeware (given the desire and aptitude). The only protection against that is to not carry a cell phone, use a computer or credit card. It is not the fault of end users that they are being compromised. There is nothing you can do to stop it (no real protection). You are correct, the "privilege" to carry a cell phone is just that. The right to privacy is protected by law and is a Right; a Right that cell phone users are willing to give up everyday for the privilege.

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Old 12-17-2011 | 11:01 PM
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^ Hmm I can see your view though. We're just different in our ideas of monitoring.

Like I feel uncomfortable as hell if I'm eating at a restaurant and all the waiter do is stare at me. Or if I'm at the mall and a security guy is suspiciously watching me.

But I don't have a problem if Facebook or Google is tracking me. I guess I'm not online that much to worry. So my argument might have been skewed by that fact.
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