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10-13-2005, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Always Dirty
Assume the ball bounced in - should the play have been dead regardless when the ump used his arm to signal the out? Is that the issue here?
10-13-2005, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Always Dirty
I understand the rule, meatwad, I just wasn't sure if the issue was whether the home plate ump punching him out was supposed to be the end of the inning or not. 
Assume the ball bounced in - should the play have been dead regardless when the ump used his arm to signal the out? Is that the issue here?
Assume the ball bounced in - should the play have been dead regardless when the ump used his arm to signal the out? Is that the issue here?
10-13-2005, 01:58 PM
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don't be sour grapes, sugar puss, just cause the red sox got swept.
10-13-2005, 02:14 PM
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the refs fucked up, but so did the angels. the catcher should've paid more attention and made the tag or thrown to first. he should not have assumed the call was an out. poor execution and pitching helped gave the bastards a win as well. seriously, 0-2 and escobar throws a ball which begged to be driven out. 
the reason i'm pissed off is that the call was a bad one (thanks to rapuano, fucking sorry excuse for a third base ump). also, as soon as something like that happens, any momentum is lost, fans go nuts and it's game over.
the reason i'm pissed off is that the call was a bad one (thanks to rapuano, fucking sorry excuse for a third base ump). also, as soon as something like that happens, any momentum is lost, fans go nuts and it's game over.
10-13-2005, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by sleeper
the catcher should've paid more attention and made the tag or thrown to first. he should not have assumed the call was an out.
The good (experienced) catchers will always make the tag in that situation, even after everyone else has already started for the dugout.
10-13-2005, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by juniorbean
Umpire never called him out.. just called Strike 3. Look at the whole game... the motion he made after that strike was the same motion he made all game.
jlukja, who thinks the umps need to call a "do over".
10-13-2005, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by jlukja
So, in that game, did he make a different motion to call a batter out on strike three? Because if he didn't, then the "strike" motion on strike 3 was, by default, used to indicate an out. As an ump you can't just make a verbal call. You need to indicate with an action.
jlukja, who thinks the umps need to call a "do over".
jlukja, who thinks the umps need to call a "do over".
10-13-2005, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by sleeper
the refs fucked up, but so did the angels. the catcher should've paid more attention and made the tag or thrown to first.
But, that being said, it's only 1 game and the ChiSox have 3 to go at in Anaheim-somewhere-somewhere.
Garland's pitching for the first time since last decade and Garcia's not exactly lights out lately. Now, if the Sox end up winning it all...well, we can debate if Game 2 was the turning point...
10-13-2005, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by GTKrockeTT
no, his motion with calling strikes and calling an out was exactly the same.
The catcher didn't turn around and look at the ump. From his perspective, he caught the pitch, the dude swung, all the players are heading into the dugout. No need to tag the hitter of throw to first base if you catch the pitch. And it wasn't trapped, it was caught.
The call was bad, IMO, but 3 errors and 2 unearned runs certainly didn't help the Angels' cause.
10-13-2005, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jlukja
I guess what I was asking was that, when batters were called out on a strikeout before the 9th inning, did he first motion "strike 3" and then repeat the motion for "out" or did he just motion once and be done with it.
10-13-2005, 04:23 PM
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He did the exact same motion with batters not striking out also, on strike 1, and strike 2, and lest we forget that Pierzynski's at-bat is still a strikeout..... also part of the controversy.
10-13-2005, 05:05 PM
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6.05
A batter is out when_ (a) His fair or foul fly ball (other than a foul tip) is legally caught by a fielder; (b) A third strike is legally caught by the catcher; "Legally caught" means in the catcher's glove before the ball touches the ground. It is not legal if the ball lodges in his clothing or paraphernalia; or if it touches the umpire and is caught by the catcher on the rebound.
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The batter becomes a runner when_ (a) He hits a fair ball; (b) The third strike called by the umpire is not caught, providing (1) first base is unoccupied, or (2) first base is occupied with two out; When a batter becomes a base runner on a third strike not caught by the catcher and starts for the dugout, or his position, and then realizes his situation and attempts then to reach first base, he is not out unless he or first base is tagged before he reaches first base. If, however, he actually reaches the dugout or dugout steps, he may not then attempt to go to first base and shall be out. ...
A batter is out when_ (a) His fair or foul fly ball (other than a foul tip) is legally caught by a fielder; (b) A third strike is legally caught by the catcher; "Legally caught" means in the catcher's glove before the ball touches the ground. It is not legal if the ball lodges in his clothing or paraphernalia; or if it touches the umpire and is caught by the catcher on the rebound.
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The batter becomes a runner when_ (a) He hits a fair ball; (b) The third strike called by the umpire is not caught, providing (1) first base is unoccupied, or (2) first base is occupied with two out; When a batter becomes a base runner on a third strike not caught by the catcher and starts for the dugout, or his position, and then realizes his situation and attempts then to reach first base, he is not out unless he or first base is tagged before he reaches first base. If, however, he actually reaches the dugout or dugout steps, he may not then attempt to go to first base and shall be out. ...
10-13-2005, 05:06 PM
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Interestingly, watching Sportscenter and the guys from baseball tonight are on right now. They all say the umpire made the right call. They are also showing all of his mechanics throughout the whole game and he was consistent through it all.
10-13-2005, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by CLpower
Interestingly, watching Sportscenter and the guys from baseball tonight are on right now. They all say the umpire made the right call. They are also showing all of his mechanics throughout the whole game and he was consistent through it all.
10-13-2005, 05:26 PM
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no, the umps made the wrong call because the ball never hit the ground, only the glove did. if the ball was caught a couple more inches off the ground, there would be no controversy right now. however, the call would've been correct if the ball had touched the ground before the catch. like i said before, the third base ump should've made the call. but it appears some 10 year old boy in the crowd had captured his attention....
10-13-2005, 05:34 PM
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from what I've seen, it's pretty obvious the ball WAS caught...
...but all this wouldn't be in the spot light if that catcher had simply played it safe and tag him... if you guys ever notice... Molina tags EVERYONE... even when it's obvious... he still tags everyone... it was just simply lack of experience on that catcher's part... (whatever his name is). but the ball again... to me, was caught, and DID NOT bounch off the dirt. That batter (whatever his name is), is claiming that he heard "two sounds..." implying that it bounched then hit the glove... that's just b.s. Whatever... all I know is.. I hope the Angels do what needs to be done, and just take'me 1, 2...3 at home...
...but all this wouldn't be in the spot light if that catcher had simply played it safe and tag him... if you guys ever notice... Molina tags EVERYONE... even when it's obvious... he still tags everyone... it was just simply lack of experience on that catcher's part... (whatever his name is). but the ball again... to me, was caught, and DID NOT bounch off the dirt. That batter (whatever his name is), is claiming that he heard "two sounds..." implying that it bounched then hit the glove... that's just b.s. Whatever... all I know is.. I hope the Angels do what needs to be done, and just take'me 1, 2...3 at home...
10-13-2005, 06:02 PM
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I think the decision w/ if the ball was caught or not is definatley a debate even w/ freeze frames. It was very very close. And not something we could of expected a 3rd base umpire to see
10-13-2005, 06:32 PM
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interesting, i was just watching sportscenter and they had mentioned clemens stated they should've looked for fresh scuffs on the ball as well. catchers will not throw a ball that has been in the dirt back on the field since they don't want it being used in play again.
i understand it's not the third base ump's job to determine where a pitch is located, but he should've been watching nonetheless and he should've told the home plate ump what he saw right away.
i understand it's not the third base ump's job to determine where a pitch is located, but he should've been watching nonetheless and he should've told the home plate ump what he saw right away.
10-13-2005, 08:03 PM
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You really think the 3rd base would of been able to make a decision from 90 ft away? Hell even in freeze frame zoomed up it's a tough call. Looks like he trapped it and it bounced in to me 
I don't recall clemens saying a catcher wouldn't throw a dirty ball back on the field, but he did say they should of looked for scuffs
I don't recall clemens saying a catcher wouldn't throw a dirty ball back on the field, but he did say they should of looked for scuffs
10-13-2005, 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by CLpower
You really think the 3rd base would of been able to make a decision from 90 ft away? Hell even in freeze frame zoomed up it's a tough call. Looks like he trapped it and it bounced in to me
Originally Posted by CLpower
I don't recall clemens saying a catcher wouldn't throw a dirty ball back on the field, but he did say they should of looked for scuffs
anyway, this thing is beat to death and i think everyone's ready for game 3. i just hope it doesn't come back to bite the angels in the ass more than it already has.
10-14-2005, 01:58 PM
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I saw it again this morning and the ball definitely changed direction before being secured in the glove, i.e. it was going down towards the ground, hit the ground, then went back up into the glove. Whatever tv channel it was on, the commentators made it a point to show that.
What I don't understand is what the ump did. I didnt notice it. But i thought if he points at the batter, that means he swung (if it's not obvious), and then raising his hand in a fist by his ear just means it's a strike because they do that on strikes 1 and 2 if they're swung at, right? So how do they signify that the batter is actually out? I played baseball for 15 years I should know this
What I don't understand is what the ump did. I didnt notice it. But i thought if he points at the batter, that means he swung (if it's not obvious), and then raising his hand in a fist by his ear just means it's a strike because they do that on strikes 1 and 2 if they're swung at, right?
So how do they signify that the batter is actually out? I played baseball for 15 years I should know this
10-14-2005, 08:42 PM
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Game 3
What's with some of the Angels batting helmets?
Some of them look like they cams straight out of a trash can.
Or, someone took a propane torch to the front of them.
A can of red spray paint and a decal doesn't cost that much.
4-0 Sox, top of the fifth.
Some of them look like they cams straight out of a trash can.
Or, someone took a propane torch to the front of them.
A can of red spray paint and a decal doesn't cost that much.
4-0 Sox, top of the fifth.
10-14-2005, 09:35 PM
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The Sox are up 5-2 in the 8th. As for the call in last game, it was very close. It did look as though the ball hit the dirt from one camera angle. Another it looked like it was caught. The Sox gave the Angels a charity win the first game
It was returned to them the second.
It was returned to them the second.
10-14-2005, 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Dfreder2
What's with some of the Angels batting helmets?
Some of them look like they cams straight out of a trash can.
Or, someone took a propane torch to the front of them.
A can of red spray paint and a decal doesn't cost that much.
4-0 Sox, top of the fifth.
Some of them look like they cams straight out of a trash can.
Or, someone took a propane torch to the front of them.
A can of red spray paint and a decal doesn't cost that much.
4-0 Sox, top of the fifth.
10-14-2005, 11:37 PM
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Its over. Thanks for hosting our win. 
2 more games to the World Series! Garland was awesome tonight!
10-15-2005, 07:34 AM
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interesting...
Out of 27 innings pitched, Sox starters have been in there for 26 and 1/3 innings.
And about that pine tar...couldn't the Angles equipment people clean that up? I mean they do show up for each game in clean uniforms.
And about that pine tar...couldn't the Angles equipment people clean that up? I mean they do show up for each game in clean uniforms.
10-15-2005, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Dfreder2
What's with some of the Angels batting helmets?
Some of them look like they cams straight out of a trash can.
Or, someone took a propane torch to the front of them.
A can of red spray paint and a decal doesn't cost that much.
4-0 Sox, top of the fifth.
Some of them look like they cams straight out of a trash can.
Or, someone took a propane torch to the front of them.
A can of red spray paint and a decal doesn't cost that much.
4-0 Sox, top of the fifth.
Pine Tar
10-15-2005, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Dfreder2
And about that pine tar...couldn't the Angles equipment people clean that up? I mean they do show up for each game in clean uniforms.
the players take it off their helmet and put it on the bat after each at bat. Are you knew to watching baseball? Cause if you watch, there are usually 2-3 players on every team like that
10-15-2005, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by CLpower
the players take it off their helmet and put it on the bat after each at bat. Are you knew to watching baseball? Cause if you watch, there are usually 2-3 players on every team like that
Trot Nixon always has a filthy helmet and his cap looks like it's a couple seasons old (sweat stained)
10-15-2005, 10:39 PM
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10-15-2005, 11:32 PM
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One more game!
10-16-2005, 06:14 PM
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Going into tonights game #5...
The last time any team pitched three complete games was back in 1973 by the new york mets for a pennant championship.
C'mon Sox, lets embarrass these clowns from Ahnoldland!
C'mon Sox, lets embarrass these clowns from Ahnoldland!
