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Old 01-24-2007, 10:14 PM
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Post NFL: Tapes could confirm Bush received gifts

Roh-oh.

I wonder if Urlacher et al can now point at him and do a flip...?

SAN DIEGO -- The existence of taped conversations between Reggie Bush or members of his family and an investor in a failed sports marketing agency could confirm the New Orleans Saints running back received cash and gifts while playing for Southern California, Yahoo.com reported Wednesday.

A federal investigation into extortion claims by Bush and his family revealed the existence of the taped conversations, according to the Yahoo.com report.

The U.S. Attorney's office in San Diego has issued grand jury subpoenas to multiple witnesses in the probe, Yahoo.com reported. According to a copy of a subpoena obtained by Yahoo, at least one of the witnesses was asked to hand over "any recordings in your possession of conversations between Lloyd Lake and Reggie Bush, Denise Griffin or LaMar Griffin."

Lake, who founded a sports marketing agency in hopes of landing Bush as its first client, is the subject of a grand jury probe into the extortion claims. Denise Griffin is Bush's mother, and LaMar Griffin is Bush's stepfather.

Yahoo.com, citing unidentified sources, reported LaMar Griffin spoke with federal investigators in the spring of 2006 and acknowledged the existence of the tapes.

"We're aware of an investigation into possible criminal conduct by Lake and others associated with him," Bush attorney David Cornwell told ESPN's Joe Schad on Wednesday. "We have and will continue to cooperate with the Department of Justice."

When asked in the past about the allegations of receiving inappropriate extra benefits, Bush has insisted that he and his family did nothing wrong.

Multiple sources told Yahoo.com that Lake made the tapes in late 2005 to protect his financial investment if Bush backed out of a deal to sign with New Era Sports & Entertainment, founded by Lake and San Diego businessman Michael Michaels. In January 2006, Bush signed with agent Joel Segal and marketing agent Mike Ornstein.

On Jan. 12, 2007, Lake's mother, Barbara Gunner, testified before a grand jury, according to the Yahoo.com report, that she had heard portions of tapes made by her son, in which LaMar Griffin states Bush intended to repay New Era Sports "their money," as well as for a car purchased for him.

"I respectfully decline to comment on the media frenzy regarding Reggie Bush, his family and his college career," Cornwell told Yahoo on Wednesday.

Lake told Yahoo in August 2006 that he contributed a portion of the cash and gifts allegedly given to Bush and his family as part of an agreement to represent the 2005 Heisman Trophy winner when he signed an NFL contract. In September, Yahoo.com reported Ornstein also supplied Bush and his family with gifts while he was still at USC.

According to Yahoo.com, nearly $280,000 in cash, rent and gifts was allegedly given to Bush and his family.

The Pac-10 Conference and the NCAA are investigating whether Bush or his family broke NCAA rules and compromised his eligibility during the 2004 and '05 seasons by taking extra benefits.

If Bush is found to have violated NCAA rules, USC, which won a national title in '04 and played for the '05 championship, could be sanctioned.

Also, the Heisman Trophy Trust requires players be in good standing with the NCAA to be eligible for the award given to college football's top player. If Bush is ruled ineligible by the NCAA, he could be in danger of having his Heisman taken away.
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Old 01-24-2007, 10:20 PM
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It's over.. Done with.. The past.. 2005..



I feel the same way about this issue as I do about Merriman and steroids..
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All big time players receive stuff, I don't know why its ever a issue.
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Good, I hope they take his Heisman away because Vince should have won it anyway that year.
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Originally Posted by Jonesi
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It's over.. Done with.. The past.. 2005..



I feel the same way about this issue as I do about Merriman and steroids..

Jonesi, what happend to :whocares:

I figure if anybody knows, it would be you...



And about the original topic...:whocares:
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Originally Posted by Scottman111
Jonesi, what happend to :whocares:

I figure if anybody knows, it would be you...

My guess... To many people were probably using it when noobs asked or posted questions..
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LOS ANGELES - A sports marketer will hand over financial records and other evidence to NCAA investigators that would link Reggie Bush and his family to nearly US$280,000 in benefits, while he was enrolled at the University of Southern California, according to a report Wednesday.

Lloyd Lake, who allegedly provided improper benefits to Bush in 2005, has agreed to meet with NCAA officials and give them evidence to help their investigation, Yahoo! Sports reported on its website, citing two unidentified sources.

Yahoo! Sports also reported it had acquired confidential e-mails from officers of New Era Sports & Entertainment, a marketing agency founded by Lake and Michael Michaels with co-operation from Bush and his stepfather, LaMar Griffin. The e-mails show the agency soliciting marketing and memorabilia deals on the running back's behalf, Yahoo! Sports reported.

Both Yahoo! Sports and the Los Angeles Times reported Tuesday that Lake is expected to file a civil lawsuit in San Diego against Bush later this month, seeking to recoup money allegedly given to Bush and his family.

Lake's attorney, Brian Watkins, told The Associated Press on Tuesday he couldn't confirm or deny the reports. A phone message left for him Wednesday was not immediately returned.

Lake and Michaels claimed more than a year ago that they provided money to Bush's family as well as a home for which the family had failed to pay more than $50,000 in rent. The conflict was made public after Bush signed with another sports agent.

Bush, the Heisman Trophy winner as a junior in 2005, is in his second year with the New Orleans Saints, having signed a contract reportedly worth up to $60 million. He has said repeatedly that neither he nor his family did anything wrong in dealings with Michaels and Lake.

A phone message left for Bush's attorney, David Cornwell, on Wednesday also wasn't immediately returned.

Michaels reached a settlement with Bush and his family last April. Yahoo! Sports said the settlement was for between $200,000 and $300,000.

If Bush is found to have received improper benefits, USC could be forced to forfeit games. The school could face other sanctions if it's proven that coaches knew or should have known about the alleged benefits.

Also, if Bush is found to have broken NCAA rules during his Heisman-winning season, the award could be revoked.
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Originally Posted by Black CL-S 4-Life
Good, I hope they take his Heisman away because Vince should have won it anyway that year.
yep i 2nd that.
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Ok I read the article.. I hope that they take away USC's 04' NC and give it to the #2 team from that year.. Auburn
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Originally Posted by hornyleprechaun
Ok I read the article.. I hope that they take away USC's 04' NC and give it to the #2 team from that year.. Auburn
good luck with that.
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If they take it away then it has to come to us. I doubt it'll be taken away though, so o well.
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Originally Posted by hornyleprechaun
If they take it away then it has to come to us. I doubt it'll be taken away though, so o well.
Why wouldn't it go to Oklahoma?
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Why wouldn't it go to Oklahoma?

Cuz they lost, sorry got raped, by USC. Auburn finished #2 in the polls.
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Originally Posted by hornyleprechaun
Cuz they lost, sorry got raped, by USC. Auburn finished #2 in the polls.
I understand that, but if you forfeit all of USC's wins, the Sooners were 13-0 and won the BCS title game. Logic would dictate the Sooners win the BCS title for sure.

Now, obviously I see your side of the argument...that Auburn won it's bowl game and OU did not. However, before the bowl games, OU was deemed superior to USC. For your position to make sense, you have to assume one of the following:

1. OU would not have handled VT, who Auburn beat in their bowl game...an inferior opponent to USC

2. Auburn could have beaten OU

3. Auburn could have beaten USC


I just don't think the argument is as clear cut as you put it. Before the bowls, USC was #1, OU #2 and Auburn #3. Does the #2 losing to the #1 team automatically signify the #3 team is better than the #2 team? Notreally.
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Originally Posted by Pull_T
I understand that, but if you forfeit all of USC's wins, the Sooners were 13-0 and won the BCS title game. Logic would dictate the Sooners win the BCS title for sure.

Now, obviously I see your side of the argument...that Auburn won it's bowl game and OU did not. However, before the bowl games, OU was deemed superior to USC. For your position to make sense, you have to assume one of the following:

1. OU would not have handled VT, who Auburn beat in their bowl game...an inferior opponent to USC

2. Auburn could have beaten OU

3. Auburn could have beaten USC


I just don't think the argument is as clear cut as you put it. Before the bowls, USC was #1, OU #2 and Auburn #3. Does the #2 losing to the #1 team automatically signify the #3 team is better than the #2 team? Notreally.
Yes I know what you are saying.. I forgot that if USC's wins were forfeitted then OU would be 13-0.

I still think Auburn was the best team of that year, even though my opinion is biased. And the only reason USC was #1, OU #2 & Auburn #3 was because of the preseason polls. We started #17, where as USC & OU started #1 & #2. We never had the chance to get to #1 or #2.

Also, if you look at Oklahoma's schedule they had a 12-0 win against (1) Top 10 team (Texas). Auburn had a 10-9 win vs. #4 LSU, 24-6 win vs. #5 UGA, 34-10 win @ #8 Tennessee, and also 38-28 win vs. #15 Tennessee in the SEC championship game. Our schedule was harder than Oklahoma's and their play against USC showed they were overrated.
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Originally Posted by hornyleprechaun
Yes I know what you are saying.. I forgot that if USC's wins were forfeitted then OU would be 13-0.

I still think Auburn was the best team of that year, even though my opinion is biased. And the only reason USC was #1, OU #2 & Auburn #3 was because of the preseason polls. We started #17, where as USC & OU started #1 & #2. We never had the chance to get to #1 or #2.

Also, if you look at Oklahoma's schedule they had a 12-0 win against (1) Top 10 team (Texas). Auburn had a 10-9 win vs. #4 LSU, 24-6 win vs. #5 UGA, 34-10 win @ #8 Tennessee, and also 38-28 win vs. #15 Tennessee in the SEC championship game. Our schedule was harder than Oklahoma's and their play against USC showed they were overrated.
Your argument is inconsistent.

First you complain of the fact that you were ranked low to start the season....then you use the rankings of Auburn's opponents at the time the game was played. Either initial rankings mean something or they don't...make up your mind.

Texas was 11-1 with their only loss to OU and finished at #5...no Auburn opponent finished that high. OU played 4 teams in the final BCS top 25 and Auburn played 4. Also, in the final rankings, Auburn's schedule rated as the 60th hardest schedule while Oklahoma had the 13th hardest schedule.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt04.htm

You certainly have several good arguments to choose from, but "our schedule was harder" is not one of them.
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Originally Posted by Pull_T
Your argument is inconsistent.

First you complain of the fact that you were ranked low to start the season....then you use the rankings of Auburn's opponents at the time the game was played. Either initial rankings mean something or they don't...make up your mind.

Texas was 11-1 with their only loss to OU and finished at #5...no Auburn opponent finished that high. OU played 4 teams in the final BCS top 25 and Auburn played 4. Also, in the final rankings, Auburn's schedule rated as the 60th hardest schedule while Oklahoma had the 13th hardest schedule.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt04.htm

You certainly have several good arguments to choose from, but "our schedule was harder" is not one of them.
The fact that we started ranked #17th, instead of #2, means that unless OU lost we wouldn't jump them. If it was USC #1, Auburn #2 and OU #3, they probably wouldn't have jumped us in the AP / Coaches polls.

Also, the archiving of the Sagarin rankings are terrible. Unless you know for sure, but I believe the rankings you showed me have the USC game factored into OU's SOS.
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Originally Posted by hornyleprechaun
The fact that we started ranked #17th, instead of #2, means that unless OU lost we wouldn't jump them. If it was USC #1, Auburn #2 and OU #3, they probably wouldn't have jumped us in the AP / Coaches polls.

Also, the archiving of the Sagarin rankings are terrible. Unless you know for sure, but I believe the rankings you showed me have the USC game factored into OU's SOS.
Oh, I know that Auburn started #17...but don't use "we beat #4 LSU" when you are arguing that preseason rankings shouldn;t matter is all i am saying.

Also, your argument revolves around the fact OU lost to USC...of course they should be included in rating SOS. If you are just going to totally ignore the bowl games, then OU was seen at that time as superior to Auburn anyway...
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Oh, I know that Auburn started #17...but don't use "we beat #4 LSU" when you are arguing that preseason rankings shouldn;t matter is all i am saying.

Also, your argument revolves around the fact OU lost to USC...of course they should be included in rating SOS. If you are just going to totally ignore the bowl games, then OU was seen at that time as superior to Auburn anyway...

The rankings I used for LSU, UGA, & UT were the rankings of that current week.. not the preseason rankings. As you know from this year, the preseason rankings mean nothing.
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Originally Posted by hornyleprechaun
The rankings I used for LSU, UGA, & UT were the rankings of that current week.. not the preseason rankings. As you know from this year, the preseason rankings mean nothing.
I know...but LSU was #4 that week based on preseason polls...then they lost 3 games afterward.

Auburn simply didn't have a harder schedule...stick to the "well, we woulda beat OU" and "well, we woulda played USC closer" arguments.
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this doesn't jeopardize his NFL career?
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^It shouldn't. The worst case scenario is he gets his Heisman taken away, USC gets wins taken away, the NC gets taken away.
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Originally Posted by andyjl
this doesn't jeopardize his NFL career?
Assuming there are no criminal charges that could be brought...like perjury, fraud or something, then no.
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