NFL Football Discussion Thread 2006 / 2007 Season
#1241
Originally Posted by Yumchah
I doubt it...they seem quite committed to Grossman. That being said, despite being in the League for so long, he's still effectively a rookie and he's only had a small amount of starts so far.
I think he'll be fine.
But, you never know esp. if he continues to stink like this.
I think he'll be fine.
But, you never know esp. if he continues to stink like this.
He has only played 18 games in his 4th year in the NFL, so considering the team is doing so well, I don't see how fans should be calling for his head. The game vs. the Pats was meaningless in terms of playoff implications.
The NFC is weak and the Bears are sitting pretty, so Bear fans need to chill out. Just remember, you are not 49er fans...
#1242
Originally Posted by Jonesi
His receivers dropped Way TOO many passes.. On key downs.. I actually felt bad for Vick..
I don't blame Vick one bit for that loss.. It was horrible..
I don't blame Vick one bit for that loss.. It was horrible..
#1243
Originally Posted by Yumchah
Some questions:
- I wonder if Eli is wishing he had gone to the Chargers with LT and that good D or whining his way into NY...?
- And how much longer will Atlanta put up with Vick...?
- I wonder if Eli is wishing he had gone to the Chargers with LT and that good D or whining his way into NY...?
- And how much longer will Atlanta put up with Vick...?
How can you make that comment about Vick? Did you see the dropped balls in yesterdays game? I think Matt Schaub is a very good QB, but talks of Vick being replaced are stupid. Our o-line is banged up, and Vick made good passes that were dropped not only in yesterdays game, but previous games.
#1244
Originally Posted by andyjl
true his receivers did drop passes, but the bulk of the blame still lies within vick and the coaches
Blame only lies with him because he is the QB. Those receivers should have caught those balls (majority of them) and we wouldn't be talking bad about Vick.
#1248
Originally Posted by mantis23
Mike Vanderjerk / Vandershank / Vanderwhateveryoucallit was released by the Cowboys today.
<--- Happy.
<--- Happy.
Oooo......He was so overrated anyhow. And one you're in Parcells' dawghouse, you're in there for good.
#1249
Originally Posted by Yumchah
And wow. I'm shocked that Scotchtape's team didn't allow a 700 yard passing game from an opponent this week.
Believe it bish. You're gonna see a lot more shutouts from here on out
Oh who am I kidding...it was the Browns
#1250
Originally Posted by Whiskers
There is very little worse then staying up until midnight to see your team get owned in the 4th by retarded mistakes....
I, for one, thought Coughlin was gonna start slitting random people's throats.
And was it not worth seeing Coughlin's faces??
#1251
Originally Posted by Scottman111
Believe it bish. You're gonna see a lot more shutouts from here on out
Oh who am I kidding...it was the Browns
Oh who am I kidding...it was the Browns
#1252
Originally Posted by Yumchah
But, on a positive note, holy on Ocho Cinco's performances lately. Hottest offensive player right now along with LT...? I think so.
Yeah, the last three weeks have been crazy. And I was pleasantly surprised with how good our rookie CB Joseph played in place of O'neal.
Tory James next year.
And all the while, Chris Henry continues to show how worthless he is. Just his overall performance and stupidity (another personal foul for punching a DB yesterday) in general.
Since he's not smart enough to run a route, I think they just tell him in the huddle to run straight then look up.
Easy enough you would think
/rant (Sorry, he sucks)
#1253
Originally Posted by Scottman111
Since he's not smart enough to run a route, I think they just tell him in the huddle to run straight then look up.
Easy enough you would think
/rant (Sorry, he sucks)
#1254
Originally Posted by Yumchah
Dude, Henry is not capable to DRIVE in a straight line or walk in a straight line...how do you think he can run a route properly...?
Ya know, I wouldn't have trouble believing he doesn't or before a game.
It's impossible for a human to be this mentally handicapped while sober.
#1256
Originally Posted by Yumchah
Actually...please see example "Owens, Terrell".
Kthxbye.
Kthxbye.
Hmm, very true. Both also have the same case of alligator arms/butter fingers.
And can you imagine these two on the same team? I bet whoever would be crazy enough to coach 'em would off himself before the end of minicamp.
#1258
Originally Posted by Scottman111
Hmm, very true. Both also have the same case of alligator arms/butter fingers.
And can you imagine these two on the same team? I bet whoever would be crazy enough to coach 'em would off himself before the end of minicamp.
And can you imagine these two on the same team? I bet whoever would be crazy enough to coach 'em would off himself before the end of minicamp.
#1264
Originally Posted by Yumchah
Actually, I'll see your Henry/Owens combo and raise you Moss/Owens tandem. I think that'd be absolutely priceless if Moss and Owens were on the same side of the field.
Agreed, but Henry is only in his second year. If he had been around as long as Moss I think he could be just as annoying
But yes, no coach could control Moss and Owens right now.
#1265
Shell claims Raiders are undermined from within...
ALAMEDA, Calif. -- The Oakland Raiders' soap opera season took another strange turn Wednesday when coach Art Shell accused a member of the organization of trying to undermine the coaching staff and rooting against the team.
Shell did not name the person, but he said it was not a coach or a player. He said the person has been calling media members around the country and criticizing coaches.
"I'm a fighter," Shell said. "I sit back and I watch things happen and then it gets to the point where you cross the line. That line has been crossed and I won't sit back and allow it to happen anymore."
Shell's latest comments came in response to questions about his decision Tuesday to demote Tom Walsh from his role of offensive coordinator to tight ends coach and replace him with John Shoop.
"When you root against me, you're rooting against the Raiders," Shell said. "When you root against Tom Walsh, you're rooting against the Raiders. And for someone to do that is unconscionable. It's unconscionable. It's detestable and I think it's an outrage."
The drama is the latest for a lost season in which star receiver Randy Moss has gone on the radio nearly every week with criticisms of the team and receiver Jerry Porter was suspended for insubordination after clashing with the coaching staff.
"How can you accept a paycheck from somebody that's given you a job and given you an opportunity to try to excel in life, and then turn around and call your cronies around the league and it gets back to me and I'm tired of it," Shell said.
Shell said the "character assassination" began soon after he was hired in February to begin his second stint as Raiders coach. He said the attacks have also been directed at owner Al Davis.
The internal strife is reminiscent of Shell's first stint as Raiders coach, which ended after the 1994 season when he believed he was being undermined by one of his assistants, Mike White, who ended up replacing Shell.
Shell went on to work as an assistant coach in Kansas City and Atlanta and never saw those sorts of problems.
"It shouldn't be like that," Shell said. "Every organization should be here on the same page, from the bottom up, from the groundskeeper on up. Everybody should be on the same page, trying to do the right things, trying to help this organization win. I went to Kansas City, that's the way it was. It was like that. Every individual was on board. Atlanta, every individual was on board. And it should be like that here."
But it hasn't been since Porter made public his trade demands and criticisms of the coaching staff at the start of training camp. Porter was inactive the first four games of the season despite leading the team in receptions a year ago and then was suspended for two games for insubordination after getting kicked out of practice.
Some players publicly questioned Shell's handling of the Porter situation, especially since the offense was struggling without him.
Moss went on his radio show days before the season opener complaining that things are "fishy" around the Raiders. He's also suggested that he would be better off if the team traded him and blamed his many dropped passes on being unhappy with the situation.
Oakland (2-9) has scored a league-low 132 points this year and is assured of a fourth straight losing season for the first time in franchise history.
The Raiders were last in the league in passing offense and total offense, 21st in rushing offense, and have allowed a league-high 53 sacks.
Walsh had come under criticism because he had been out of the NFL since 1994 and spent the past seven years running a bed and breakfast and serving as mayor of Swan Valley, Idaho.
Shell said it was very difficult to demote his friend.
"You have to be patient," Shell said. "I'm a very patient man so I'll take my time always before I make a rash decision. I felt at this time the decision needed to be made. It was very hard, very hard for me to do because I have a lot of respect for Tom Walsh. Tom Walsh has taken a lot, a lot of abuse from a lot of people and that has disappointed me."
Shell did not name the person, but he said it was not a coach or a player. He said the person has been calling media members around the country and criticizing coaches.
"I'm a fighter," Shell said. "I sit back and I watch things happen and then it gets to the point where you cross the line. That line has been crossed and I won't sit back and allow it to happen anymore."
Shell's latest comments came in response to questions about his decision Tuesday to demote Tom Walsh from his role of offensive coordinator to tight ends coach and replace him with John Shoop.
"When you root against me, you're rooting against the Raiders," Shell said. "When you root against Tom Walsh, you're rooting against the Raiders. And for someone to do that is unconscionable. It's unconscionable. It's detestable and I think it's an outrage."
The drama is the latest for a lost season in which star receiver Randy Moss has gone on the radio nearly every week with criticisms of the team and receiver Jerry Porter was suspended for insubordination after clashing with the coaching staff.
"How can you accept a paycheck from somebody that's given you a job and given you an opportunity to try to excel in life, and then turn around and call your cronies around the league and it gets back to me and I'm tired of it," Shell said.
Shell said the "character assassination" began soon after he was hired in February to begin his second stint as Raiders coach. He said the attacks have also been directed at owner Al Davis.
The internal strife is reminiscent of Shell's first stint as Raiders coach, which ended after the 1994 season when he believed he was being undermined by one of his assistants, Mike White, who ended up replacing Shell.
Shell went on to work as an assistant coach in Kansas City and Atlanta and never saw those sorts of problems.
"It shouldn't be like that," Shell said. "Every organization should be here on the same page, from the bottom up, from the groundskeeper on up. Everybody should be on the same page, trying to do the right things, trying to help this organization win. I went to Kansas City, that's the way it was. It was like that. Every individual was on board. Atlanta, every individual was on board. And it should be like that here."
But it hasn't been since Porter made public his trade demands and criticisms of the coaching staff at the start of training camp. Porter was inactive the first four games of the season despite leading the team in receptions a year ago and then was suspended for two games for insubordination after getting kicked out of practice.
Some players publicly questioned Shell's handling of the Porter situation, especially since the offense was struggling without him.
Moss went on his radio show days before the season opener complaining that things are "fishy" around the Raiders. He's also suggested that he would be better off if the team traded him and blamed his many dropped passes on being unhappy with the situation.
Oakland (2-9) has scored a league-low 132 points this year and is assured of a fourth straight losing season for the first time in franchise history.
The Raiders were last in the league in passing offense and total offense, 21st in rushing offense, and have allowed a league-high 53 sacks.
Walsh had come under criticism because he had been out of the NFL since 1994 and spent the past seven years running a bed and breakfast and serving as mayor of Swan Valley, Idaho.
Shell said it was very difficult to demote his friend.
"You have to be patient," Shell said. "I'm a very patient man so I'll take my time always before I make a rash decision. I felt at this time the decision needed to be made. It was very hard, very hard for me to do because I have a lot of respect for Tom Walsh. Tom Walsh has taken a lot, a lot of abuse from a lot of people and that has disappointed me."
#1266
Vick in Oakland...?
According to the Charlotte Observer, perhaps...
Source: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...nfl/index.html
Source: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...nfl/index.html
The Falcons, who have given Vick every possible chance, will be willing to part with their quarterback and would gladly take draft picks.
#1273
Originally Posted by is300eater
I vote LT for MVP
Oh, oops...Romosexual's putting up Grossman-like numbers today against a team Da Bears slapped around a couple weeks back.
#1274
Originally Posted by Yumchah
What? You're not on the Romo bandwagon...?
Oh, oops...Romosexual's putting up Grossman-like numbers today against a team Da Bears slapped around a couple weeks back.
Oh, oops...Romosexual's putting up Grossman-like numbers today against a team Da Bears slapped around a couple weeks back.
#1275
Originally Posted by is300eater
no, but it would be nice to see both Manning brothers lose today... (have I express how much I dislike them yet?)
#1276
Originally Posted by Yumchah
But, if Eli loses, you're gonna hafta go all week hearing about how Romosexual should win the Nobel Prize, Oscar, Heisman, NBA MVP, the Slamdunk contest, the Hardest Shot Competition, Art Ross, Vezina Trophy and the Pulitzer Prize awards...Can you deal with that? I sure can't.
#1280
Originally Posted by is300eater
it'd be hard, but all I know is... I enjoy watching Eli lose... He shunned the Chargers and now San Diego's (most likely) going post season... and I'm sooooo that the Giants don't
I mean, after all, playing with the best and most complete RB in the NFL may be too easy and stuff...?