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Old 12-04-2017 | 10:48 AM
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Old 12-04-2017 | 10:56 AM
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If we can beat the Jags next week, that will be a very meaningful game. That is if Russell Wilson survives in-tact. I love watching him run around and making things happen, but we are one bad hit away from watching the playoffs instead of being in it.
He was running for his life last night!
Old 12-04-2017 | 11:13 AM
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Old 12-04-2017 | 11:17 AM
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Old 12-04-2017 | 11:57 AM
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Old 12-04-2017 | 12:19 PM
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Oh and Eli is getting the start next week
Old 12-04-2017 | 01:15 PM
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That didn't last long.....
Old 12-04-2017 | 01:15 PM
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Not confirmed but probably. Mara is addresing media now.
Old 12-04-2017 | 01:47 PM
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Old 12-04-2017 | 01:50 PM
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GM was fired too. Starting from scratch is smart, at least.

Supposedly ownership wanted Eli out.
Old 12-04-2017 | 02:36 PM
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Gronk got a game. Immediately appealed. They don't need him vs Fins man.
Old 12-04-2017 | 04:54 PM
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We were talking about it today at work. Wondering if Bill (who was pretty pissed at gronk) would tell him not to appeal it. Kinda set an example for the team that you can't act this way

On another note gronk has never been in trouble with the league before so it will be interesting how the league handles it. These days it seems like every appeal is won

****Edit: On the field related suspensions

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Old 12-04-2017 | 07:47 PM
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I don't know how you appeal that. It's great he apologized, but there is no valid excuse for it. He lost his cool, made a bad decision, and should just take it and move on.

I could see the appeal to just be a delaying action to maybe game 15 or 16 when there is no consequence.
Old 12-04-2017 | 07:51 PM
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I want him to serve it now so he plays against Shitsburg.
Old 12-05-2017 | 06:51 AM
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Wow Cinci blew that game last night. It was 20-10 at the start of the 4th. I saw Shazier, Burfict get hurt and some dirty plays.
Old 12-05-2017 | 08:13 AM
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Yea I saw that Burfict hit.. dirty
Old 12-05-2017 | 08:42 AM
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We were talking about it today at work. Wondering if Bill (who was pretty pissed at gronk) would tell him not to appeal it. Kinda set an example for the team that you can't act this way

On another note gronk has never been in trouble with the league before so it will be interesting how the league handles it. These days it seems like every appeal is won

****Edit: On the field related suspensions
They better suspend his ass. There is no need to lay a late hit like that on a player. To make things worse, I believe I heard the dude suffered a concussion due to that hit from Gronk. Totally uncalled for!
Old 12-05-2017 | 09:09 AM
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Agree. Completely unnecessary
Old 12-05-2017 | 09:27 AM
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Bengals shit the bed. Can't say I was too surprised in the end, though I was pulling for then to win. Hit on Burfict wasn't dirty IMO, my dislike for the guy notwithstanding.

Hopefully Shazier ends up just fine, that was really scary to see him just drop after the hit.
Old 12-05-2017 | 09:45 AM
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I can see both sides of the Burfict hit, but lets not forget he isnt exactly a saint either. He tried decapitating AB a couple years back, and is known around the league as a dirty player





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Old 12-05-2017 | 09:50 AM
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Old 12-05-2017 | 09:58 AM
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Looks like Shazier is doing OK - that's good news. That was a scary moment.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/05/s...rs-injury.html
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Old 12-05-2017 | 09:59 AM
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Yeah the guy is a piece of shit. Didn't he stomp on some dude's arm while the guy was on the ground? There are a least a couple of other egregious after-the-whistle things he's done, just can't remember exactly what
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Yea I saw that Burfict hit.. dirty
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Old 12-05-2017 | 10:18 AM
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Yeah the guy is a piece of shit. Didn't he stomp on some dude's arm while the guy was on the ground? There are a least a couple of other egregious after-the-whistle things he's done, just can't remember exactly what
He has a long history of attacking players, especially on the Steelers, he blew out Bell's ACL and then danced around celebrating while he was writhing in pain on the sideline, he tried to kill AB with that headshot last year in the playoffs that cost them the game, and he repeatedly has gone after Big Ben's ankles and knees trying to take him out. The dude is a punk and I hate him, I don't wish any player harm, but man did that feel like karma when he went down. I wish Juju wouldn't have stood over him and taunted him, but that's emotions man, I think he had just had enough
Old 12-05-2017 | 10:24 AM
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Oh yeah, I remember now. After Burfict tried to decapitate AB, he later accused AB of faking his injury. I think Adam Jones even backed that up.

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NFL suspends JuJu Smith-Schuster & George Iloka 1 game for violations of safety-related playing rules
Old 12-05-2017 | 12:59 PM
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Gronk I get, but this is a very slippery slope
Old 12-05-2017 | 01:18 PM
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NFL suspends JuJu Smith-Schuster & George Iloka 1 game for violations of safety-related playing rules
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Gronk I get, but this is a very slippery slope
Possibly - but IMHO the game needs to be safe. As safe as it can be anyway. And if the NFL doesn't reign in this kind of stuff the games will devolve into Roman gladiator free-for-alls. So along the way, I suspect players will be punished for getting close to that line even if they don't cross it. Just to make the point or set the bar where they think it needs to be. The NFL is in big trouble if players are being carted off to hospitals with neck and back injuries every week.

I'd be interested in the data, but my perception is this is a notably bad year for injuries. So if the root cause traces to an increase in player illegal/unsafe behavior, then I suspect the NFL will pull the reigns in pretty hard. Lots of analysts I'm reading were pretty disappointed with the conduct of last night's game - but those kind of hits seem to be all over the place. Seems like we're having a lot of brawls too. Just my perception - which is why some data would be interesting to know if it's actually worse this year or not.

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Old 12-05-2017 | 01:25 PM
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Football is a dangerous sport. If you want to be safe dont play
Old 12-05-2017 | 01:26 PM
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How do you guys determine who to start in the fantasy playoffs? Specifically defenses.

The Redskins have a ton of crucial injuries and may get eliminated from playoff contention in the coming weeks. But I want to get a head start and pick up their defense, as they play Arizona and Denver week 15/16.
Old 12-05-2017 | 01:28 PM
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I alway base it on matchups
Old 12-05-2017 | 01:32 PM
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Football is a dangerous sport. If you want to be safe dont play
Football will always be dangerous. But there is a line out there that differentiates between the risk you take running into each other at high speed, and targeting heads and knees with no regard for the opponent's safety. You can play the game and hit people hard without undo risk of life-altering injury to the other person. These hits are going a step past that line, and that's what I think the NFL should be concerned about. You get 1-2 NFL players being paralyzed every season football will cease to exist in 20 years.
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Outside of QBs, there is no penalty for going low on a hit. In 15yrs everyone will be showing up to Canton in wheelchairs.
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Outside of QBs, there is no penalty for going low on a hit. In 15yrs everyone will be showing up to Canton in wheelchairs.
James Harrison said this years ago, once they made the headshot rules he said that everyone is just going to start going low and blowing out ACL's, it sure seems like he was right when everyone's blowing out their knees in freaking preseason on
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Gronk I get, but this is a very slippery slope
Gronk should have gotten more than 1 game, dude did a peoples elbow to the back of someone's head, but he gets preferential treatment because the Pats. And the fact that he's appealing, hey I hear the judge having you on your fantasy team helps.... Iloka makes sense as he was headhunting and the catch was already made. Smith-Shuster I don't get, and not just because I'm a Steelers fan, but the guy made a block, I already said I don't agree with the taunting afterwards but he was suspended for making a block... A fine would have made sense, but to get the same penalty as Gronk is ludicrous
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Old 12-05-2017 | 03:35 PM
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Mile Evans only got 1 game and his was much worse than Gronks. Agree on your overall premise tho. The NFL just makes it up as it goes
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Gronks appeal denied

***For my post above I meant Mike Evans. Stupid iPhone

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Old 12-05-2017 | 08:42 PM
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I alway base it on matchups
Forgot to mention, my main concern is if they will bench any starters.



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