NFL: 2017 Off-Season News and Discussion Thread
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Costco (05-12-2017)
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E..A..G..L..E..S putting together some nice weapons for Wentz on the cheap. If the O-line stays healthy and off the PEDs we should have a pretty good offense this year.
Philadelphia Eagles to sign RB LeGarrette Blount
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Skill set aside, Kap and Tebow are both blacklisted because of the distraction they bring to a team.
Let's say Kap signs with Seattle. The first question asked to his teammates is not about football but whether they agree with Kap actions regarding the national anthem. Nobody wants that. You're dividing the locker room for a guy who will be your backup QB ???
Let's say Kap signs with Seattle. The first question asked to his teammates is not about football but whether they agree with Kap actions regarding the national anthem. Nobody wants that. You're dividing the locker room for a guy who will be your backup QB ???
#331
Hanlon's razor.
Tebow is just an an awful quarterback.
Kaepernick is a one/two read QB. Pro style offenses need a QB who can go through his progressions. The distraction part is not a big of a deal as many want to make it, he just doesn't fit very well into offenses.
I still don't think what Kaepernick did is malicious at all. Seems like he is more interested in activism and charity than football now, so that's probably part of it as well.
Even Michael Vick got a chance after going to jail for executing dogs. But he was willing to be a backup and be saddled with incentive laden contact.
Greg Hardy got a second chance after his domestic abuse issues.
Tyreek Hill got another chance after the same thing.
The list goes on and on.
Too much of a distraction can be a part of it, but there's no way it's the biggest thing. Usually it's because the player sucks, they want too much, or aren't interested at all, or aren't a good fit.
Tebow is just an an awful quarterback.
Kaepernick is a one/two read QB. Pro style offenses need a QB who can go through his progressions. The distraction part is not a big of a deal as many want to make it, he just doesn't fit very well into offenses.
I still don't think what Kaepernick did is malicious at all. Seems like he is more interested in activism and charity than football now, so that's probably part of it as well.
Even Michael Vick got a chance after going to jail for executing dogs. But he was willing to be a backup and be saddled with incentive laden contact.
Greg Hardy got a second chance after his domestic abuse issues.
Tyreek Hill got another chance after the same thing.
The list goes on and on.
Too much of a distraction can be a part of it, but there's no way it's the biggest thing. Usually it's because the player sucks, they want too much, or aren't interested at all, or aren't a good fit.
#332
Teams don't care about the distraction if you can ball. Hardy, Vick, Hill, all made an immediate impact to the team. Tebow and Kap would be on the bench more than on the field.
Technically Vick was a backup but that didn't last very long
Technically Vick was a backup but that didn't last very long
#333
The Jets owner didn't approve of Kaepernick's actions, so it's doubtful they'd pick him up. If not, Cutler is probably a better fit, but for aforementioned reasons, has not been signed yet. That, and he's old.
#335
I completely agree. If they were starter-caliber QBs they'd be forgiven and they'd play. But to offer nothing to the team's ability to win, but carry the baggage of all those distractions isn't a combination any team would choose.
#337
Kaepernick just sucks now. Another thing I forgot to mention, he's had several significant injuries as well as a couple of surgeries in the past few seasons.
Read option QBs had their time to shine in the league, and that has passed.
I saw every Niner game last season, as painful as it was. In the games he played, his decision making is questionable. Doesn't pull the trigger on throws when he should, and his accuracy just isn't what it used to be.
#338
He cant ball, unless someone is telling him exactly what do to. And that guy is in Michigan. He can't read a defense nor take command of an offense, with his own thinking. Without a true head coach, he's a backyard player.
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Costco (05-19-2017)
#339
Garbage time stats do not a QB make.
Kaepernick just sucks now. Another thing I forgot to mention, he's had several significant injuries as well as a couple of surgeries in the past few seasons.
Read option QBs had their time to shine in the league, and that has passed.
I saw every Niner game last season, as painful as it was. In the games he played, his decision making is questionable. Doesn't pull the trigger on throws when he should, and his accuracy just isn't what it used to be.
Kaepernick just sucks now. Another thing I forgot to mention, he's had several significant injuries as well as a couple of surgeries in the past few seasons.
Read option QBs had their time to shine in the league, and that has passed.
I saw every Niner game last season, as painful as it was. In the games he played, his decision making is questionable. Doesn't pull the trigger on throws when he should, and his accuracy just isn't what it used to be.
LOL at QBR.
ESPN?s QBR ranks Ryan Fitzpatrick ahead of Tom Brady | ProFootballTalk
Maybe Tampa will be better than New England per the above
#340
Sorry guys but I've heard from analysts/scouts that the guy has a decent skill set and can play in this league granted not as a star or even a starter. He's certainly better than Fitzpatrick. He torched my Dolphins and almost won that game plus it's easy to say garbage time stats when your team is last in points and yards given up. Point is, if you're a decent backup QB, which is what I'm reading about Kap (and you fit the scheme), you'll have a long career.
LOL at QBR.
ESPN?s QBR ranks Ryan Fitzpatrick ahead of Tom Brady ProFootballTalk
Maybe Tampa will be better than New England per the above
LOL at QBR.
ESPN?s QBR ranks Ryan Fitzpatrick ahead of Tom Brady ProFootballTalk
Maybe Tampa will be better than New England per the above
Whether folks agree or disagree with his antics, he put himself in a position of being a polarizing player. And if he continues to be that kind of a distraction to the next team, I think he quickly reaches the "not worth it" line pretty quick. If your backup QB is getting all the headlines, that's not a spot most teams want to be in. He could repair his image if he chooses to do so and someone gives him a chance. But I'd want some clear parameters in his contract if I'm that team.
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Peyton Manning once wrote apology letter to referee he chewed out
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/pe...133147251.html
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Peyton Manning now has been retired for more than a year, but the tales of his prolific letter writing and thoughtfulness continue to roll in.
Hat tip to PFT, which passed on the story about recently retired referee Butch Hannah and his interaction with Manning during a game toward the end of his career. Hannah relayed the story to the Chattanooga Times-Free Press about how Manning got on his case — and then later tried to make amends in a way that was unique to the ref but very much how Manning handled his business.
“Peyton’s next-to-last year, the Broncos were facing the Dolphins in Denver and the whole game was a struggle for them,” Hannah said. “I called back two Denver touchdowns. But they pulled it out by two or three points [39-36]. But late in the game, the clock [was] about to run out, Peyton mistimed a snap and they had to run one more play. Peyton said something off-color to me, which was not at all like him.
“I told him, ‘Peyton, you’re better than that.'”
Manning knew it and wanted to make amends, apparently. After all, the two had worked together back to Hannah’s days as an SEC referee in Manning’s college days at Tennessee. Within a few weeks, a FedEx package arrived at Hannah’s house, by way of the league offices in New York City. Inside was a letter handwritten by Manning.
“He said he wanted to apologize for his reaction to me that day against the Dolphins,” Hannah said. “Would I please accept his apology? That’s the only time that’s happened to me in all my years of officiating.”
Hannah then was working a preseason game the following season between the Broncos and Seahawks in Seattle when he felt someone throw their arm around his shoulder.
“It’s Peyton,” Hannah said. “He asks me, ‘Did you get my card?’ I said, ‘Peyton, you’ve got to let this go.’ He says, ‘You have no idea how upset I was with myself.’ That’s the kind of son Archie and Olivia raised. Pretty impressive.”
Hat tip to PFT, which passed on the story about recently retired referee Butch Hannah and his interaction with Manning during a game toward the end of his career. Hannah relayed the story to the Chattanooga Times-Free Press about how Manning got on his case — and then later tried to make amends in a way that was unique to the ref but very much how Manning handled his business.
“Peyton’s next-to-last year, the Broncos were facing the Dolphins in Denver and the whole game was a struggle for them,” Hannah said. “I called back two Denver touchdowns. But they pulled it out by two or three points [39-36]. But late in the game, the clock [was] about to run out, Peyton mistimed a snap and they had to run one more play. Peyton said something off-color to me, which was not at all like him.
“I told him, ‘Peyton, you’re better than that.'”
Manning knew it and wanted to make amends, apparently. After all, the two had worked together back to Hannah’s days as an SEC referee in Manning’s college days at Tennessee. Within a few weeks, a FedEx package arrived at Hannah’s house, by way of the league offices in New York City. Inside was a letter handwritten by Manning.
“He said he wanted to apologize for his reaction to me that day against the Dolphins,” Hannah said. “Would I please accept his apology? That’s the only time that’s happened to me in all my years of officiating.”
Hannah then was working a preseason game the following season between the Broncos and Seahawks in Seattle when he felt someone throw their arm around his shoulder.
“It’s Peyton,” Hannah said. “He asks me, ‘Did you get my card?’ I said, ‘Peyton, you’ve got to let this go.’ He says, ‘You have no idea how upset I was with myself.’ That’s the kind of son Archie and Olivia raised. Pretty impressive.”
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1Louder (05-23-2017)
#343
I don't know that his skills as a backup are an issue.
Whether folks agree or disagree with his antics, he put himself in a position of being a polarizing player. And if he continues to be that kind of a distraction to the next team, I think he quickly reaches the "not worth it" line pretty quick. If your backup QB is getting all the headlines, that's not a spot most teams want to be in. He could repair his image if he chooses to do so and someone gives him a chance. But I'd want some clear parameters in his contract if I'm that team.
Whether folks agree or disagree with his antics, he put himself in a position of being a polarizing player. And if he continues to be that kind of a distraction to the next team, I think he quickly reaches the "not worth it" line pretty quick. If your backup QB is getting all the headlines, that's not a spot most teams want to be in. He could repair his image if he chooses to do so and someone gives him a chance. But I'd want some clear parameters in his contract if I'm that team.
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#345
Sorry guys but I've heard from analysts/scouts that the guy has a decent skill set and can play in this league granted not as a star or even a starter. He's certainly better than Fitzpatrick. He torched my Dolphins and almost won that game plus it's easy to say garbage time stats when your team is last in points and yards given up. Point is, if you're a decent backup QB, which is what I'm reading about Kap (and you fit the scheme), you'll have a long career.
LOL at QBR.
ESPN?s QBR ranks Ryan Fitzpatrick ahead of Tom Brady ProFootballTalk
Maybe Tampa will be better than New England per the above
LOL at QBR.
ESPN?s QBR ranks Ryan Fitzpatrick ahead of Tom Brady ProFootballTalk
Maybe Tampa will be better than New England per the above
Possibly relating to his injuries, it seems like he's unable to make the same throws he was used to. There was a time where he was unable to workout due to an injury/surgery and lost a significant amount of muscle mass. He looked like he went from 225-230 lbs to 200-205 lbs. I'm too lazy to find the pictures. He's made some awful underthrows where the receiver has to turn around to catch it. For a guy once known for his arm strength, there's something wrong on a fundamental level.
I was willing to give Alex Smith another chance when idiot 49ers fans were screaming for his head. But Kaepernick... his time with the 49ers has long passed, and he is not a good fit for Kyle Shanahan's offense. There's a reason why the Redskins drafted Cousins in the same draft that they took RG3 #2 overall.
Speaking of which, RG3 is still unemployed, IMO because he employs a similar skillset to Kaepernick, and also had serious injuries which have affected his play.
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There is way more hype around Jimmy G than there was with Cassel. No one spoke a word of Cassel being Brady's replacement.
The only reason Jimmy gets talked about so much is because of how old Tommy is. This isn't a situation where the starting QB is starting to decline and the young buck looks good. 40yrs old, healthy, and no sign of decline is uncharted territory for a QB
Side Note- Look at the situation in Indy. The decision to draft Andy Luck was solely based on Peyton having his 90th neck surgery, not his ability to play. Now Peyton went on to win the SB with Denver and Indy hasn't done shit with Luck so going with the "next guy" doesn't always work
The only reason Jimmy gets talked about so much is because of how old Tommy is. This isn't a situation where the starting QB is starting to decline and the young buck looks good. 40yrs old, healthy, and no sign of decline is uncharted territory for a QB
Side Note- Look at the situation in Indy. The decision to draft Andy Luck was solely based on Peyton having his 90th neck surgery, not his ability to play. Now Peyton went on to win the SB with Denver and Indy hasn't done shit with Luck so going with the "next guy" doesn't always work
#353
Conversely, I've never been convinced Luck had the right pieces around him to go as far as I think he's capable (maybe on offense, defense has been sketchy). Luck with the right supporting cast would be formidable team.
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There is a stigma regarding firing someone during a serious illness like that, or even after. It's as if as an organization, you don't expect them to recover. Really bad for something like a sports team which is under the public eye at all times.