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Old 05-12-2017 | 10:25 AM
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Old 05-12-2017 | 11:52 AM
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Even before the Madden cover, I wouldn't be surprised if Brady retired after this season. But now with the Madden cover, I'm expecting him to
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Old 05-19-2017 | 10:55 AM
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E..A..G..L..E..S putting together some nice weapons for Wentz on the cheap. If the O-line stays healthy and off the PEDs we should have a pretty good offense this year.

Philadelphia Eagles to sign RB LeGarrette Blount
Old 05-19-2017 | 11:59 AM
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^Aston Martin signed him too

LOL at Bucs signing Fitz over Kap.
Old 05-19-2017 | 01:07 PM
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Kap made himself poisonous.

Although I've seen local news stores about the possibility of coming to Seattle to back up Wilson.
Old 05-19-2017 | 01:28 PM
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Skill set aside, Kap and Tebow are both blacklisted because of the distraction they bring to a team.

Let's say Kap signs with Seattle. The first question asked to his teammates is not about football but whether they agree with Kap actions regarding the national anthem. Nobody wants that. You're dividing the locker room for a guy who will be your backup QB ???
Old 05-19-2017 | 01:51 PM
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Funny how Tebow was too much of a "good" person and Kap a "bad" person although neither broke the law or did anything major.
Old 05-19-2017 | 02:12 PM
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Hanlon's razor.

Tebow is just an an awful quarterback.

Kaepernick is a one/two read QB. Pro style offenses need a QB who can go through his progressions. The distraction part is not a big of a deal as many want to make it, he just doesn't fit very well into offenses.

I still don't think what Kaepernick did is malicious at all. Seems like he is more interested in activism and charity than football now, so that's probably part of it as well.

Even Michael Vick got a chance after going to jail for executing dogs. But he was willing to be a backup and be saddled with incentive laden contact.

Greg Hardy got a second chance after his domestic abuse issues.

Tyreek Hill got another chance after the same thing.
The list goes on and on.

Too much of a distraction can be a part of it, but there's no way it's the biggest thing. Usually it's because the player sucks, they want too much, or aren't interested at all, or aren't a good fit.
Old 05-19-2017 | 02:23 PM
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Teams don't care about the distraction if you can ball. Hardy, Vick, Hill, all made an immediate impact to the team. Tebow and Kap would be on the bench more than on the field.


Technically Vick was a backup but that didn't last very long
Old 05-19-2017 | 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Joneill44
Teams don't care about the distraction if you can ball. Hardy, Vick, Hill, all made an immediate impact to the team. Tebow and Kap would be on the bench more than on the field.


Technically Vick was a backup but that didn't last very long
The Jets owner didn't approve of Kaepernick's actions, so it's doubtful they'd pick him up. If not, Cutler is probably a better fit, but for aforementioned reasons, has not been signed yet. That, and he's old.
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But Kap can ball. Look at his stats. Americans are more outraged about protests vs beating their spouses. A lot of them do that.
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Originally Posted by Joneill44
Teams don't care about the distraction if you can ball. Hardy, Vick, Hill, all made an immediate impact to the team. Tebow and Kap would be on the bench more than on the field.


Technically Vick was a backup but that didn't last very long
I completely agree. If they were starter-caliber QBs they'd be forgiven and they'd play. But to offer nothing to the team's ability to win, but carry the baggage of all those distractions isn't a combination any team would choose.
Old 05-19-2017 | 03:18 PM
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Kap QBR over the last 5 years

2012: 75.3
2013: 68.1
2014: 67.7
2015: 46.5
2016: 55.5
Old 05-19-2017 | 04:57 PM
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But Kap can ball. Look at his stats. Americans are more outraged about protests vs beating their spouses. A lot of them do that.
Garbage time stats do not a QB make.

Kaepernick just sucks now. Another thing I forgot to mention, he's had several significant injuries as well as a couple of surgeries in the past few seasons.

Read option QBs had their time to shine in the league, and that has passed.

I saw every Niner game last season, as painful as it was. In the games he played, his decision making is questionable. Doesn't pull the trigger on throws when he should, and his accuracy just isn't what it used to be.
Old 05-19-2017 | 05:28 PM
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But Kap can ball. Look at his stats. Americans are more outraged about protests vs beating their spouses. A lot of them do that.
He cant ball, unless someone is telling him exactly what do to. And that guy is in Michigan. He can't read a defense nor take command of an offense, with his own thinking. Without a true head coach, he's a backyard player.
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Old 05-23-2017 | 08:06 AM
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Garbage time stats do not a QB make.

Kaepernick just sucks now. Another thing I forgot to mention, he's had several significant injuries as well as a couple of surgeries in the past few seasons.

Read option QBs had their time to shine in the league, and that has passed.

I saw every Niner game last season, as painful as it was. In the games he played, his decision making is questionable. Doesn't pull the trigger on throws when he should, and his accuracy just isn't what it used to be.
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He cant ball, unless someone is telling him exactly what do to. And that guy is in Michigan. He can't read a defense nor take command of an offense, with his own thinking. Without a true head coach, he's a backyard player.
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Kap QBR over the last 5 years

2012: 75.3
2013: 68.1
2014: 67.7
2015: 46.5
2016: 55.5
Sorry guys but I've heard from analysts/scouts that the guy has a decent skill set and can play in this league granted not as a star or even a starter. He's certainly better than Fitzpatrick. He torched my Dolphins and almost won that game plus it's easy to say garbage time stats when your team is last in points and yards given up. Point is, if you're a decent backup QB, which is what I'm reading about Kap (and you fit the scheme), you'll have a long career.

LOL at QBR.

ESPN?s QBR ranks Ryan Fitzpatrick ahead of Tom Brady | ProFootballTalk

Maybe Tampa will be better than New England per the above
Old 05-23-2017 | 08:54 AM
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Sorry guys but I've heard from analysts/scouts that the guy has a decent skill set and can play in this league granted not as a star or even a starter. He's certainly better than Fitzpatrick. He torched my Dolphins and almost won that game plus it's easy to say garbage time stats when your team is last in points and yards given up. Point is, if you're a decent backup QB, which is what I'm reading about Kap (and you fit the scheme), you'll have a long career.

LOL at QBR.

ESPN?s QBR ranks Ryan Fitzpatrick ahead of Tom Brady ProFootballTalk

Maybe Tampa will be better than New England per the above
I don't know that his skills as a backup are an issue.

Whether folks agree or disagree with his antics, he put himself in a position of being a polarizing player. And if he continues to be that kind of a distraction to the next team, I think he quickly reaches the "not worth it" line pretty quick. If your backup QB is getting all the headlines, that's not a spot most teams want to be in. He could repair his image if he chooses to do so and someone gives him a chance. But I'd want some clear parameters in his contract if I'm that team.
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Peyton Manning once wrote apology letter to referee he chewed out

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/pe...133147251.html

Like this story.

Peyton Manning now has been retired for more than a year, but the tales of his prolific letter writing and thoughtfulness continue to roll in.

Hat tip to PFT, which passed on the story about recently retired referee Butch Hannah and his interaction with Manning during a game toward the end of his career. Hannah relayed the story to the Chattanooga Times-Free Press about how Manning got on his case — and then later tried to make amends in a way that was unique to the ref but very much how Manning handled his business.

“Peyton’s next-to-last year, the Broncos were facing the Dolphins in Denver and the whole game was a struggle for them,” Hannah said. “I called back two Denver touchdowns. But they pulled it out by two or three points [39-36]. But late in the game, the clock [was] about to run out, Peyton mistimed a snap and they had to run one more play. Peyton said something off-color to me, which was not at all like him.

“I told him, ‘Peyton, you’re better than that.'”

Manning knew it and wanted to make amends, apparently. After all, the two had worked together back to Hannah’s days as an SEC referee in Manning’s college days at Tennessee. Within a few weeks, a FedEx package arrived at Hannah’s house, by way of the league offices in New York City. Inside was a letter handwritten by Manning.

“He said he wanted to apologize for his reaction to me that day against the Dolphins,” Hannah said. “Would I please accept his apology? That’s the only time that’s happened to me in all my years of officiating.”

Hannah then was working a preseason game the following season between the Broncos and Seahawks in Seattle when he felt someone throw their arm around his shoulder.

“It’s Peyton,” Hannah said. “He asks me, ‘Did you get my card?’ I said, ‘Peyton, you’ve got to let this go.’ He says, ‘You have no idea how upset I was with myself.’ That’s the kind of son Archie and Olivia raised. Pretty impressive.”
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Old 05-23-2017 | 10:31 AM
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Peyton buying the refs huh
Old 05-23-2017 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by 1Louder
I don't know that his skills as a backup are an issue.

Whether folks agree or disagree with his antics, he put himself in a position of being a polarizing player. And if he continues to be that kind of a distraction to the next team, I think he quickly reaches the "not worth it" line pretty quick. If your backup QB is getting all the headlines, that's not a spot most teams want to be in. He could repair his image if he chooses to do so and someone gives him a chance. But I'd want some clear parameters in his contract if I'm that team.
Is his image really damaged? Very R&P which NFL doesn't want.
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Is his image really damaged? Very R&P which NFL doesn't want.
IMHO, he wasn't very popular anyway. But people are very funny about the national anthem.
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Sorry guys but I've heard from analysts/scouts that the guy has a decent skill set and can play in this league granted not as a star or even a starter. He's certainly better than Fitzpatrick. He torched my Dolphins and almost won that game plus it's easy to say garbage time stats when your team is last in points and yards given up. Point is, if you're a decent backup QB, which is what I'm reading about Kap (and you fit the scheme), you'll have a long career.

LOL at QBR.

ESPN?s QBR ranks Ryan Fitzpatrick ahead of Tom Brady ProFootballTalk

Maybe Tampa will be better than New England per the above
He has regressed heavily. I've seen him make the throws, I've seen him make the reads before. Contrary to what a lot of kneejerk critics say, he is capable of making impressive throws into tight windows. Not on a Drew Brees-level, but you get it.

Possibly relating to his injuries, it seems like he's unable to make the same throws he was used to. There was a time where he was unable to workout due to an injury/surgery and lost a significant amount of muscle mass. He looked like he went from 225-230 lbs to 200-205 lbs. I'm too lazy to find the pictures. He's made some awful underthrows where the receiver has to turn around to catch it. For a guy once known for his arm strength, there's something wrong on a fundamental level.

I was willing to give Alex Smith another chance when idiot 49ers fans were screaming for his head. But Kaepernick... his time with the 49ers has long passed, and he is not a good fit for Kyle Shanahan's offense. There's a reason why the Redskins drafted Cousins in the same draft that they took RG3 #2 overall.

Speaking of which, RG3 is still unemployed, IMO because he employs a similar skillset to Kaepernick, and also had serious injuries which have affected his play.
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I just dont see the fuss over a backup QB
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I just dont see the fuss over a backup QB
There'll be a hell of a lot of fuss over Garoppolo at the end of this upcoming season contract year, 40 year-old Brady....

Kaepernick has the potential to start for some teams.
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There'll be a hell of a lot of fuss over Garoppolo at the end of this upcoming season contract year, 40 year-old Brady....

Kaepernick has the potential to start for some teams.
That's all I was saying.

Jimmy G next Andrew Cassell?
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That's all I was saying.

Jimmy G next Andrew Cassell?
Is he related to Matt Cassel?
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There is way more hype around Jimmy G than there was with Cassel. No one spoke a word of Cassel being Brady's replacement.

The only reason Jimmy gets talked about so much is because of how old Tommy is. This isn't a situation where the starting QB is starting to decline and the young buck looks good. 40yrs old, healthy, and no sign of decline is uncharted territory for a QB

Side Note- Look at the situation in Indy. The decision to draft Andy Luck was solely based on Peyton having his 90th neck surgery, not his ability to play. Now Peyton went on to win the SB with Denver and Indy hasn't done shit with Luck so going with the "next guy" doesn't always work
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I'm not saying what Indy did was wrong. I would have made the same move but expecting Luck to be the next Peyton isn't fair to Luck
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I'm not saying what Indy did was wrong. I would have made the same move but expecting Luck to be the next Peyton isn't fair to Luck
I agree - Indy had the right pick in the draft at the time and I think they made the right move. Peyton's subsequent superbowl win had more to do with the rest of that Denver team than him. I mean, I like Peyton as a player and think he deserves his place in history as one of the "greats" looking at his entire body of work, but a lot of QBs could have been at the helm with that team and won.

Conversely, I've never been convinced Luck had the right pieces around him to go as far as I think he's capable (maybe on offense, defense has been sketchy). Luck with the right supporting cast would be formidable team.
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100% agree the GM in Indy has done nothing to help Luck
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What a different world it would be if Bruce Arians stayed as head coach instead of Pagano.
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What a different world it would be if Bruce Arians stayed as head coach instead of Pagano.
Apparently you cant fire a guy after beating cancer. Just ask the red sox

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I'm surprised the Colts front staff and coaching wasn't changed out this year. Then again their owner is kind of nuts.
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I'm surprised the Colts front staff and coaching wasn't changed out this year. Then again their owner is kind of nuts.
They did fire their GM though, Grigson was canned a few months ago.
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Apparently you cant fire a guy after beating cancer. Just ask the red sox
Hindsight is 20/20. Usually the interim HC doesn't stay HC, unless the guy he replaced leaves/or gets fired.

There is a stigma regarding firing someone during a serious illness like that, or even after. It's as if as an organization, you don't expect them to recover. Really bad for something like a sports team which is under the public eye at all times.

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I'm surprised the Colts front staff and coaching wasn't changed out this year. Then again their owner is kind of nuts.
No joke. Dude is a 60 year old frat boy




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