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02-08-2010, 12:48 PM
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Agree to disagree then...I liken your team to Chicago last season. Very young with just a couple of veterans here and there. And they made it close even with Detroit...and arguably could've made it to the Finals with bounces.
I do not believe a "tier 1" goalie is required for a Cup run...never have. Past Cup winners have shown that a decent goalie is good enough. Definitely puts the onus on a strong overall team game...But, it's doable. I keep bringing up Detroit because Chicago has built the team to be pretty much a clone of the Wings. But, if Osgood can do it, so can Huet/Niemi...
I do not believe a "tier 1" goalie is required for a Cup run...never have. Past Cup winners have shown that a decent goalie is good enough. Definitely puts the onus on a strong overall team game...But, it's doable. I keep bringing up Detroit because Chicago has built the team to be pretty much a clone of the Wings. But, if Osgood can do it, so can Huet/Niemi...
02-08-2010, 12:49 PM
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But, seriously, why are we focussing on Chicago's goalies...you all hate them. Let's talk about another team we care more about...
Like the Red Wings and how they are outside looking in as of today...and they just lost Holstrom again.
Like the Red Wings and how they are outside looking in as of today...and they just lost Holstrom again.
02-08-2010, 01:24 PM
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In what sense?? Style of play? If so we'll see if they can sustain it for like 15 years
The only team built like Detroit is the Caps. They have the depth to do so. Ovaries is signed for like 15 years. And their AHL team is leading the league by like 50 goals over the rest.. It's redonkulous... They have 216 goals the next closest is like 170.. Insane..
02-08-2010, 01:33 PM
The sizzle in the Steak
...and nobody cares about the Red Wings :wink:
02-08-2010, 01:45 PM
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02-08-2010, 02:08 PM
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Put down the bong! The Kings are not going to win the Cup this year.You should take note Yummy. Chicago's goal tending and fractured beyond repair
dressing room will kill them this year.
02-08-2010, 02:16 PM
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02-08-2010, 02:20 PM
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02-08-2010, 02:39 PM
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In what sense?? Style of play? If so we'll see if they can sustain it for like 15 years
The only team built like Detroit is the Caps. They have the depth to do so. Ovaries is signed for like 15 years. And their AHL team is leading the league by like 50 goals over the rest.. It's redonkulous... They have 216 goals the next closest is like 170.. Insane..
The only team built like Detroit is the Caps. They have the depth to do so. Ovaries is signed for like 15 years. And their AHL team is leading the league by like 50 goals over the rest.. It's redonkulous... They have 216 goals the next closest is like 170.. Insane..
But, from my end, I watched enough Hawks games as well as Wings crap to see that Chicago's built their puck-possession style to mirror that of Detroit's. You can also see some similarities in their line-ups.
And yes, Waldorf...call me myopic then.
dom: Kane and Hossa are the new Sean Averys of the league. That room is so divided, a fight breaks out every day after practice...it's terrible.
02-08-2010, 02:44 PM
Interesting. Interesting.
Meh the Caps are a little over-rated these days. Remember they play in the worst division in hockey. When they go up against skilled teams (like the Pens), they have tough time.
They are actually fairly inconsistent both from game to game and within a game. They only thing they can do consistently is outscore their opponents. That won't take them far once playoff time comes.
They are actually fairly inconsistent both from game to game and within a game. They only thing they can do consistently is outscore their opponents. That won't take them far once playoff time comes.
02-08-2010, 02:44 PM
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I hear Kane goes around beating people up for 14 cents.
Which is coincidentally how far below the cap Chicago is.
Which is coincidentally how far below the cap Chicago is.
02-08-2010, 02:45 PM
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02-08-2010, 02:50 PM
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Vesa takes a shot at Leafs...
Former Maple Leafs goaltender Vesa Toskala, who was traded to the Anaheim Ducks on January 31, took a little parting shot at his old team, according to the Toronto Star.
Toskala, whose mask is still adorned with the colours of the Maple Leafs, was asked when he would be replacing the paint job to reflect his new team's motif.
"Hopefully soon, so I can wash that blue and white out of my gear," Toskala said, according to the Star.
Toskala did not have the best results of late in Toronto, struggling to a 7-12 record this season and splitting time with Leafs' youngster Jonas Gustavsson. Toskala also had a 3.66 GAA in 2009-10.
The native of Finland did not make the playoffs in his two and a half years with the squad.
With the Leafs putting up generally mediocre results this season, Toskala was shipped to the Ducks along with Jason Blake in exchange for goalie J.S. Giguere.
Upon his arrival in Anaheim, Toskala requested to wear the number 35, which had previously belonged to Giguere. He was turned down and will instead wear the number 36.
"It didn't work out," the 32-year-old told the Orange County Register.
He is yet to play a game for the Ducks because he has not yet received a U.S. work visa.
Giguere, meanwhile, was named the NHL's Second Star of the Week on Monday, after getting consecutive shutouts in his first two games as a Leaf. He was the first goaltender in franchise history to achieve that feat.
Toskala, whose mask is still adorned with the colours of the Maple Leafs, was asked when he would be replacing the paint job to reflect his new team's motif.
"Hopefully soon, so I can wash that blue and white out of my gear," Toskala said, according to the Star.
Toskala did not have the best results of late in Toronto, struggling to a 7-12 record this season and splitting time with Leafs' youngster Jonas Gustavsson. Toskala also had a 3.66 GAA in 2009-10.
The native of Finland did not make the playoffs in his two and a half years with the squad.
With the Leafs putting up generally mediocre results this season, Toskala was shipped to the Ducks along with Jason Blake in exchange for goalie J.S. Giguere.
Upon his arrival in Anaheim, Toskala requested to wear the number 35, which had previously belonged to Giguere. He was turned down and will instead wear the number 36.
"It didn't work out," the 32-year-old told the Orange County Register.
He is yet to play a game for the Ducks because he has not yet received a U.S. work visa.
Giguere, meanwhile, was named the NHL's Second Star of the Week on Monday, after getting consecutive shutouts in his first two games as a Leaf. He was the first goaltender in franchise history to achieve that feat.
02-08-2010, 02:50 PM
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Meh the Caps are a little over-rated these days. Remember they play in the worst division in hockey. When they go up against skilled teams (like the Pens), they have tough time.
They are actually fairly inconsistent both from game to game and within a game. They only thing they can do consistently is outscore their opponents. That won't take them far once playoff time comes.
They are actually fairly inconsistent both from game to game and within a game. They only thing they can do consistently is outscore their opponents. That won't take them far once playoff time comes.
2 words for why the Caps are so good.
Bruce Boudreau
Most other idiot coaches would have somehow managed to fawk up Oveckin. Boudreau lets him play.
02-08-2010, 02:53 PM
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Save percentage below .900 - Check
GAA over 3 - Check
Big saves made in key moments - 0
Stolen games over 2+ years - 0
Let him say whatever he wants, he's a terrible goalie. A backup at best. Him and Andrew Raycrap took 10 years off my life.
GAA over 3 - Check
Big saves made in key moments - 0
Stolen games over 2+ years - 0
Let him say whatever he wants, he's a terrible goalie. A backup at best. Him and Andrew Raycrap took 10 years off my life.
02-08-2010, 02:55 PM
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Meanwhile, looks like Rask is taking over starting duties in Beantown...yow. That's an ouch...
02-08-2010, 03:00 PM
Interesting. Interesting.
You know what I think would be interesting? The Pens trading Malkin after this season or next. They could get a ton of good players for him and elevate Staal to the second line.
Malkin is a bit wasted with those 2nd line wingers right now and the Pens can't fit much under the cap to get a better supporting cast for him. Staal would be a perfect 2nd line center on that team and they could command king's ransom in d-men and depth players for Malkin.
Malkin is a bit wasted with those 2nd line wingers right now and the Pens can't fit much under the cap to get a better supporting cast for him. Staal would be a perfect 2nd line center on that team and they could command king's ransom in d-men and depth players for Malkin.
02-08-2010, 03:02 PM
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Tim Thomas is not the answer for Chicago. As much as I hate to say it, I think the Hawks will have trouble getting past the Caps and the Sharks (after watching the Pen/Caps game yesterday).
They better get it together and come back after the Olympics and make a serious run for the playoffs.
They better get it together and come back after the Olympics and make a serious run for the playoffs.
02-08-2010, 03:04 PM
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You know what I think would be interesting? The Pens trading Malkin after this season or next. They could get a ton of good players for him and elevate Staal to the second line.
Malkin is a bit wasted with those 2nd line wingers right now and the Pens can't fit much under the cap to get a better supporting cast for him. Staal would be a perfect 2nd line center on that team and they could command king's ransom in d-men and depth players for Malkin.
Malkin is a bit wasted with those 2nd line wingers right now and the Pens can't fit much under the cap to get a better supporting cast for him. Staal would be a perfect 2nd line center on that team and they could command king's ransom in d-men and depth players for Malkin.
Crosby/Malkin is the Michael Jordan/Scotty Pippen of hockey....just like Ovechkin/Semin. Each of those pairs need each other. The star player of each team isn't as good without their mate.
02-08-2010, 03:06 PM
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Tim Thomas is not the answer for Chicago. As much as I hate to say it, I think the Hawks will have trouble getting past the Caps and the Sharks (after watching the Pen/Caps game yesterday).
They better get it together and come back after the Olympics and make a serious run for the playoffs.
They better get it together and come back after the Olympics and make a serious run for the playoffs.
Sharks don't worry me. Canucks? Yeah...they do. They seem to have the formula on stopping Chicago this year.
Not sure about Caps. It'd sure be freaking entertaining however if they do meet up.
02-08-2010, 03:08 PM
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^^^Shoot, I forgot about the Canucks-we haven't played them in a while.
02-08-2010, 03:10 PM
Meh the Caps are a little over-rated these days. Remember they play in the worst division in hockey. When they go up against skilled teams (like the Pens), they have tough time.
They are actually fairly inconsistent both from game to game and within a game. They only thing they can do consistently is outscore their opponents. That won't take them far once playoff time comes.
They are actually fairly inconsistent both from game to game and within a game. They only thing they can do consistently is outscore their opponents. That won't take them far once playoff time comes.
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By the way, if the Penguins want to throw away goaltenders, I'd take a Fluery/Huet trade straight up anyday (but that will never happen).
02-08-2010, 03:17 PM
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02-08-2010, 03:45 PM
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02-08-2010, 04:17 PM
The sizzle in the Steak
02-08-2010, 04:21 PM
Interesting. Interesting.
Every single game.
note: my comment about the Caps having a problem because their ability to outscore opponents is the only thing they can do consistently was a joke. But I wasn't kidding about them having trouble with the more skilled teams.
note: my comment about the Caps having a problem because their ability to outscore opponents is the only thing they can do consistently was a joke. But I wasn't kidding about them having trouble with the more skilled teams.
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02-08-2010, 04:29 PM
Interesting. Interesting.
Uhh....not really. Both are natural centers. Malkin outplays his wingers on the second line. Unless the Pens can score at least one much better winger for Malkin under the cap, Staal would fit in better with that line and would be cheaper. They aren't maximizing their return on Malkin by playing him on that line. It's tough enough for a hockey team to pay two premier centers these days, much less two of the top 5 centers in the league.
02-08-2010, 04:33 PM
02-08-2010, 04:37 PM
Interesting. Interesting.
02-08-2010, 04:42 PM
You sound like an NBC play by play putz
02-08-2010, 04:46 PM
Yeah, they only have won games in their division this year.
02-08-2010, 05:15 PM
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^ He was quite good prior to joining the Leafs... 
02-08-2010, 05:26 PM
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You know what I think would be interesting? The Pens trading Malkin after this season or next. They could get a ton of good players for him and elevate Staal to the second line.
Malkin is a bit wasted with those 2nd line wingers right now and the Pens can't fit much under the cap to get a better supporting cast for him. Staal would be a perfect 2nd line center on that team and they could command king's ransom in d-men and depth players for Malkin.
Malkin is a bit wasted with those 2nd line wingers right now and the Pens can't fit much under the cap to get a better supporting cast for him. Staal would be a perfect 2nd line center on that team and they could command king's ransom in d-men and depth players for Malkin.
IMO partly due to the Pens lack of a farm team now. They have been drafting centers and D. They have next to nothing as far as depth on the wings..
Malkin has shown he can be his own man but like you said none of the wings pan out. Talbot and Malkin had some serious chemistry in the playoffs but Talbot has been hurt all year..
That being said I don't see Malkin going anywhere. I do see him on the point on the power play once Gonchar is gone and I would look for Letang or Goligoski to be traded for some added young depth at wing.
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