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Old 01-06-2008 | 08:40 PM
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Clemens on 60 Minutes?

Anyone watch?

My opinion.... He's a lying sack of crap.


Old 01-06-2008 | 08:52 PM
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As far as I'm concerned every pro athlete is suspect.
Old 01-07-2008 | 12:31 PM
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I don't like or watch baseball, but I did watch the interview. He looked like he was lying!
Old 01-07-2008 | 12:34 PM
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This guy is filing a bogus law suit against McNamee because once he found out congress wanted his fat ass to testify, now when he does go before congress he can refuse to answer question because he is involved with litigations on this matter.

Fuckin scumbag
Old 01-07-2008 | 12:48 PM
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I didn't watch 60 minutes, but let me guess...he was lying?
Old 01-07-2008 | 01:08 PM
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I have got to say that I believe him. And what he said last night is true. It came out in that report and now no matter what he says everyone is going to think he did it. This guy was a great pitcher even before steroids were even in the picture. His pitching style has evolved over the years from power pitcher to finesse/spot pitcher. Greg Maddux (who will be 42 when the 2008 season starts) did the same thing over his career and no one gives him flack. I will say what does his trainer have to benefit from lying? That is unless this is a witch hunt.
Old 01-07-2008 | 01:17 PM
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lemme guess, he denied it..
Old 01-07-2008 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by F-C
I didn't watch 60 minutes, but let me guess...he was lying?
I think he's guilty.
Old 01-07-2008 | 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by fish008
I have got to say that I believe him. And what he said last night is true. It came out in that report and now no matter what he says everyone is going to think he did it. This guy was a great pitcher even before steroids were even in the picture. His pitching style has evolved over the years from power pitcher to finesse/spot pitcher. Greg Maddux (who will be 42 when the 2008 season starts) did the same thing over his career and no one gives him flack. I will say what does his trainer have to benefit from lying? That is unless this is a witch hunt.
but greg maddux was a spot pitcher even in his prime during his atlanta days.
Old 01-07-2008 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by JediMindTricks
but greg maddux was a spot pitcher even in his prime during his atlanta days.
was about to post that. Maddux is one of the best control pitcher in the history of the game.

Clemens was lying his face off. Players who aren't on roids don't flex their muscles and throw shattered pieces of a broken bat at a players just because the broken bat pieces came in his direction. Normal human beings not on steriods don't throw three hitters with a torn ligament and hurt elbow.

F that, normal players not on roids don't throw 99mph splitters. Anyone watch the 2000 World Series? Clemens came out and was throwing pitches like that. i'll never forget when Lenny Harris came up to bat, Clemes threw him a splitter that hit 98 or 99, Harris just dropped the bat and started laughing.

The best question of the interview:
"jail time for what?" when Clemens said McNamee called out Clemes because he was trying to avoid jail time.
Old 01-07-2008 | 09:08 PM
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yeah but maddux use to throw 95mph in his early years
Old 01-07-2008 | 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by fish008
I have got to say that I believe him. And what he said last night is true. It came out in that report and now no matter what he says everyone is going to think he did it. This guy was a great pitcher even before steroids were even in the picture. His pitching style has evolved over the years from power pitcher to finesse/spot pitcher. Greg Maddux (who will be 42 when the 2008 season starts) did the same thing over his career and no one gives him flack. I will say what does his trainer have to benefit from lying? That is unless this is a witch hunt.
But it just doesn't add up. For example, why would his trainer name Andy Pettitte and it's a fact he took HGH, yet would lie about Clemens? What is to gain?

I'd love to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. But it's impossible to look past the facts.

A good read, FWIW...

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5431264.html
Old 01-07-2008 | 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by BIGPOPPA21
yeah but maddux use to throw 95mph in his early years
Maddux barely ever hit 90, he probably could have, but he rarely did.
Old 01-07-2008 | 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by GIBSON6594
The best question of the interview:
"jail time for what?" when Clemens said McNamee called out Clemes because he was trying to avoid jail time.
McNamee faces possible charges related to drug distribution.
Old 01-07-2008 | 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by NetEditor
McNamee faces possible charges related to drug distribution.
yea, to Clemens, thats the point
Old 01-07-2008 | 11:30 PM
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Check out this convo between Clements and McNamee

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Old 01-08-2008 | 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Black CL-S 4-Life
This guy is filing a bogus law suit against McNamee because once he found out congress wanted his fat ass to testify, now when he does go before congress he can refuse to answer question because he is involved with litigations on this matter.

Fuckin scumbag

Yeah, I love how that was perfectly timed
Old 01-09-2008 | 06:01 AM
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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3187302
Old 01-09-2008 | 08:46 AM
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Maybe I just hope it's not true. If not I would have to say that this entire generation is tainted and the majority of my baseball memories will effectively mean nothing. I know that you all will say that it is already tainted but I wanted to believe the pitching isn't. If Pettitte actually only took 2 shots that is not the end of the world. I am one of those people who believes that steroids, HGH, ect. will only help with power and that it still takes great hand-eye coordination to hit a 95 mph fastball. I don't think that muscle/power helps in pitching, it’s about placing the pitches and none of that stuff can help you there. There is some form to it. It’s like golf to me. Any idiot can go out there and swing the club has fast a Tiger but you have to square the club face at impact or you’re screwed. Same with hitting and pitching.
Old 01-09-2008 | 06:14 PM
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Here's a column I wrote on Clemens:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...09/clemens.DTL
Old 01-09-2008 | 06:33 PM
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^^^ great article!
Old 01-09-2008 | 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by NetEditor
Here's a column I wrote on Clemens:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...09/clemens.DTL
Nice dude. Are you all sports articles?
Old 01-09-2008 | 06:39 PM
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Of course he did roids
Old 01-09-2008 | 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by joerockt
Check out this convo between Clements and McNamee

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I didn't hear him once come straight out and accuse the guy of lying. And he had opportunities. All I kept hearing was "What do you want me to do?" with no response.
Old 01-09-2008 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by WdnUlik2no
^^^ great article!
Thanks.

Originally Posted by joerockt
Nice dude. Are you all sports articles?
Mostly since I have to be careful about conflict of interest since I'm a news editor for the Web site. I wrote a column about Stephen Colbert that got political, and my editor shot it down.
Old 01-09-2008 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by NetEditor
Thanks.



Mostly since I have to be careful about conflict of interest since I'm a news editor for the Web site. I wrote a column about Stephen Colbert that got political, and my editor shot it down.
Any Raiders commentary?
Old 01-09-2008 | 07:33 PM
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Any Raiders commentary?
Sure, it would be the shortest column ever:

THEY SUCK!
Old 01-09-2008 | 08:58 PM
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clemens is a pussy
Old 01-13-2008 | 02:28 PM
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Borrowed from ESPN:

bluburt :I have it on good authority that this was edited out of the 60 Minutes interview with Mike Wallace:

MW: Don't you think you owe it to your fans to tell the truth?
RC: You want answers?
MW: I think we're entitled to them?
RC: You Want Answers?
MW: I want the truth!
RC: The Truth! You can't handle the Truth!
We live in a world that has Superstar Athletes. And those Superstars have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? Ed Bradley? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom.

You weep for Aaron and you curse MLB. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Cy Youngs records, while impressive, probably were padded. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, wins games...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on those 'roids. You need me on those 'roids.

We use words like ERA, WHIP, Cy Youngs...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent doing something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of victories that I provide, then question the manner in which I provide them!

I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a bat and stand in the box. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!

Old 01-13-2008 | 02:31 PM
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"You want me on those 'roids. You need me on those 'roids."
Old 01-13-2008 | 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Scrib
My opinion.... He's a lying sack of crap.


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