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Old 07-01-2006, 09:36 AM
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surprising prologue eh? i thought hincapie had it coming out of that last turn.

floyd, you're up. floyd!!!!!

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floyd flatted right before the start...
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McQuaid: Hamilton facing lifetime ban; four years possible for Ullrich, Basso
By Andrew Hood
VeloNews European correspondent
This report filed July 1, 2006

The head of cycling's governing body says that Tyler Hamilton could be facing a lifetime ban if links to an alleged blood doping ring in Spain are confirmed. Others, including 1997 Tour de France winner Jan Ullrich (T-Mobile), 2006 Giro d'Italia champion Ivan Basso (CSC) and T-Mobile's Oscar Sevilla could face four-year bans before returning to cycling's 20-team ProTour league.

UCI President Pat McQuaid told VeloNews that if police evidence linking Hamilton to Spanish doctor Eufemiano Fuentes is proven, the 2004 Olympic time trial champion will be banned for life.

"With the evidence which we seem to see in this dossier, he's gone for life," McQuaid told VeloNews on Saturday. "The implications for the riders in the case are two years from WADA code and two years from the ProTour, that's four years. And Hamilton, a ban for life. That would be a second offense."

Hamilton, who is currently serving a two-year suspension for blood-doping, has consistently maintained his innocence, ever since he was notified of a positive result in 2004. His current ban is set to end on September 23.

Ullrich and Basso were among nine riders removed Friday from the 2006 Tour de France while Hamilton's name was among a list of more than 50 active and retired racers with alleged links to Fuentes.

Earlier this week, the Spanish daily El País published police evidence from the 2002-03 seasons that alleges Hamilton not only engaged in banned blood transfusion practices, but also used EPO, anabolic steroids, human growth hormones and IGF-1 (insulin-like growth factor 1) during his collaboration with Fuentes.

Hamilton strongly denied those allegations in a message posted on his personal web page.

"I was very upset to read the accusations against me and to see my name associated with the Operación Puerto investigation in Spain," Hamilton said in a statement released after the paper's publication on Monday. "I have not been treated by Dr. Fuentes. I have not done what the article alleges. In addition, I have never been contacted by authorities in Spain regarding these allegations. Therefore, it is also impossible to comment on a situation I have no knowledge of."

Contacted on Saturday, Hamilton referred additional queries to his attorney, Howard Jacobs. Jacobs told VeloNews that he'd heard nothing but second-hand reports of the UCI's position on the matter.

"It's hard to respond to something, when you have no evidence or documentation in hand," Jacobs said. "I assume they plan to go through the proper channels, to review the case, and then reach a decision... but it seems these days the new MO is to ban first and figure it out later."

"At a certain point process has to matter ... and I think everyone has forgotten that," he added.

Jacobs compared the current situation to the treatment another client of his received.

"I also represented (sprinter Tim) Montgomery in the BALCO case," he said. "That was another example of a non-analytical positive - no lab result, just implication by association - but at least in that case, USADA had the decency to sit down with us and go over the evidence they had. We haven't seen anything like that to this point."

Jacobs said the only "evidence" he'd seen to date is reproductions of notebook pages and faxes on VeloNews.com. Jacobs said Hamilton's treatment seems symptomatic of an environment in which sports agencies "are stepping over themselves to appear more aggressive than the others. That's not right."

Jacobs said he and Hamilton have little choice but to "wait for the documentation, which may be a while.

"I know that when Jan Ullrich's attorney asked for documents, he was refused," Jacobs said. "If they are going to charge an athlete, they ought to at least give him a chance to review and respond to the evidence."

Jacobs reiterated Hamilton's denial that he had ever been treated by Fuentes, who was among five people detained May 23 as part of Spain's largest anti-doping investigation dubbed "Operación Puerto."

McQuaid said the UCI will receive the complete 500-page report from Spanish authorities on Monday and will closely review evidence from the four-month investigation. UCI and Tour officials received a condensed 50-page version late Thursday night that allowed them to keep riders implicated in the investigation out of the Tour.

All riders implicated in the Fuentes case could face outright two-year racing bans if evidence proves they were using banned substances, McQuaid confirmed. And the ProTour riders would face an additional two-year ban before being allowed to return to a ProTour team.

McQuaid also confirmed that Hamilton will not be allowed to join a ProTour team when his ban ends in September. He said despite Hamilton's failed doping test coming in 2004, Hamilton falls under ProTour guidelines because his sanction wasn't finalized until 2005.

"His ban was two years and he's going another two years with the ProTour anyway, because he was sanctioned within the ProTour rules. The ProTour Code of Ethics came in in January, 2005, so he was sanctioned within that, so he has the two years extra," McQuaid said. "Unlike Millar, who was sanctioned in 2004, so he only has the two years, so Hamilton is already facing four."

Jacobs says he remains unsure of how McQuaid and the UCI intend to pursue the case as it relates to Hamilton.

"If they go and read the World Anti-Doping code, I'm not sure that this would qualify as a second offense," he said.

Hamilton allegedly tested positive for homologous blood-doping - the injection of another person's red blood cells - at the 2004 Olympics in Athens, but that result was negated after laboratory personnel froze the B-sample, which is required for confirmation of a positive. Hamilton was again tested following his time trial stage victory at the 2004 Vuelta a España and that result was ultimately confirmed.

Hamilton has consistently maintained his innocence, challenging the scientific veracity of the test, which relies on the variations in antigen receptors on the surface of red blood cells to distinguish the presence of another person's blood. After a lengthy appeals process, the Court of Arbitration for Sport upheld his suspension, ordering him not to compete until September 2006.

-VeloNews.com Editor Charles Pelkey contributed to this report
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Originally Posted by Mike
floyd flatted right before the start...

Actually, they found a slice in his tire, and the team director ordered it to be changed right before the start.
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oln got it wrong
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Originally Posted by Mike
oln got it wrong
No, that was the initial report. The team director explained in detail later, probably to deflect any criticism of Landis.

to Hincapie.
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Jesus.

Go away for a few days and see what happens.

No I have to spend all of today watching all I recorded.
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bout time you showed up!

george looks good in yellow

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Originally Posted by Mike
bout time you showed up!

george looks good in yellow

Yea was in Vegas for 4 days and had more important things to do than read the news.

I am watching the prolog now and will catch up to Hincapie in yellow. Also want to see ending of stage 1.
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Is the tour de france the type of thing you can burn out early in?

In racing, you can play your cards so that you are a race leader for most of a race even if you know your not going to win (Danica Patrick did this for publicity). I was discussing with my friends if this was a similar situation. Does this guy have a shot at winning it? There would be nothing better in my mind to follow up 7 (internationally debated) American wins with a completely legit American win to throw in their faces.
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Originally Posted by Python2121
Is the tour de france the type of thing you can burn out early in?

In racing, you can play your cards so that you are a race leader for most of a race even if you know your not going to win (Danica Patrick did this for publicity). I was discussing with my friends if this was a similar situation. Does this guy have a shot at winning it? There would be nothing better in my mind to follow up 7 (internationally debated) American wins with a completely legit American win to throw in their faces.
You can. But it cirtanly isn't a good plan to lead the whole way, you can burn out your team defending your lead. As with when Lance was riding he would try to win the prolog and then give up the jersey until the first mountain stages.

And I would love for an another American win. I don't know if Hincapie can do it but with Ullrich an Basso out he might have a shot.
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And another favorite falls.

Valverde crashed out with a broken right collarbone.
It was a brutal day. I can attest to riding in 90+ degree heat, it just wipes you out.

I did a 60 mile ride from Cetral Park to Nyack in todays heat and humidity and by the end I was completly wiped.

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today was a brutal stage, can't believe Valverde is out, he was my pick to win!!

I think things are looking better and better for big George tho.

nice to see Boonen grab the Maillot Jaune for teh start in Belgium.
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will valverde ever finish a tour? talk about opening the race up even more...wow.

can't wait for the TT in stage 7!

i think cyclingnews quoted boonen as saying that he had a slow leak so he couldn't stand up and hammer.
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yih, Boonen was completely flatted at the line.

and he still got 4th, the man's a machine!!

so far this tour has been so exciting, I can't believe Stuart O'Grady fell off the back of the Peloton today too. Where the hell is Magnus Backsteadt too??
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Team CSC has suffered another blow, as Australian sprint specialist Stuart O'Grady may exit the Tour tomorrow. O'Grady finished the day's stage more than 11 minutes down, then was taken to a hospital where doctors diagnosed a fractured vertebra. CSC, already down a rider with the withdrawal of team leader Ivan Basso, will wait until Wednesday morning to decide whether O'Grady can ride Stage 4.
CyclingNews.com reports that American Chris Horner believed he had broken his hand during today's stage, but X-rays were negative, and Horner should start tomorrow.
CyclingNews also notes that Horner's teammate Fred Rodriguez suffered a concussion, and that Erik Dekker of Rabobank suffered both a concussion and “serious facial injuries: abrasions, facial trauma, a contusion, a ripped upper lip, as well as a couple of broken teeth. He was kept unconscious on Tuesday night so that his face could be cleaned.”
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What the hell happend to Leipheimer?

How about Julich crashing out of the tour for a second time.
And Landis looks like he is a legitimate chance to win it, even with having to change bikes during the ride he only finished a minute back.
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What the hell is up with Phonak's mechanics? First, Landis has a cut tire, then a handlebar problem.

Does Phonak have French mechanics trying to sabotage an American rider.
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UCI sabotaged Landis right before the start by making him change the position of his handlebars. Then out on course, they either broke, or came loose forcing him to change bikes.

No idea what happened to Levi, i'm sure glad I didn't have him in my pool!
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great call robb. he's been using that setup all year, used it in the prologue and now they want to change it???????????? what a load of crap.

from cyclingnews:
George Hincapie (Discovery Channel, 24th at 2'42)

Discovery Channel's GC rider George Hincapie lost almost three minutes on today's stage winner Gonchar. But what he probably found worse is that he lost almost two minutes to Floyd Landis. At the finish, the Discovery team rider didn't give much comment, other than saying: "It wasn't too good...I felt good before but I don't know."
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http://www.velonews.com/tour2006/tec...s/10296.0.html
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Landis does ride high in time trials, but I figured from an aerodynamic point of view that it hurts him to ride so high.
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not according to the wind tunnel testing they've done.
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Is Ullrich "the third person"?; Pevenage fired

Coming up on

The Tour de France features one more flat stage between Saint-Méen-le-Grand and Lorient before rest day #1. Cyclingnews will be covering the stage live starting from 12:25 local time (CEST)/6:25 EDT (USA East)/3:25 PDT (USA West)/20:25 AEST (Aust East) - also on WAP-enabled mobile devices at http://live.cyclingnews.com/
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Germany's Der Spiegel magazine has alleged that the Spanish investigators have uncovered not only a new code name for Jan Ullrich, but also further evidence that he and his mentor Rudy Pevenage were involved with Dr. Eufemiano Fuentes, as well as further implicating former Liberty rider Jörg Jaksche.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...l06/jul09news3
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I just keep looking at stage 16

This is going to be brutal



4 catagorized climbs

the first one not very steep but extremely long 42km

Km 45.5 Col du Galibier 2,645 m 42.8 km at 4.5 percent
Km 127.5 Col de la Croix-de-Fer 2,067 m 22.7 km at 7 percent
Km 147.5 Col du Mollard 1,638 m 5.8 km at 7 percent
Km 182.5 La Toussuire 1,690 m 18.4 km at 6 percent
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no doubt that'll be a bear

any idea how fast they ride on those types of grades? how long will it take them to ride that stage?
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Magnus Backstedt of Team Liquigas was saying on his blog that he averages about 20km/h going up the categorized climbs.

What's everyone think of the Landis news? I gotta say, i hold the man in an entirely new light. Much more respect for enduring through his pain. I am now fully behind his bid to win the tour this year.
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I think Landis is the best overall rider left in the tour. He also seems to have a very cool demeanor, which is helping out with the number of problems he's faced so far.
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And how pissed are the French going to be if Landis or another American wins.
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what a finish today!

good god, McEwen has ridiculous amounts of speed in his legs, he broke SO much later than the rest and still was there at the line.
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Originally Posted by Astroboy
Magnus Backstedt of Team Liquigas was saying on his blog that he averages about 20km/h going up the categorized climbs.

What's everyone think of the Landis news? I gotta say, i hold the man in an entirely new light. Much more respect for enduring through his pain. I am now fully behind his bid to win the tour this year.
Backstedt also weighs ~200 pounds wonder how fast the climbers and all arounders are climbing....

as far as robbie did you see him break hard left and hit the turbo?? amazing he only lost by a couple of inches.

landis is a class act
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STAGE 10
Col d'Osquich, 6 km at 5.3%
Col du Soudet, 14.7 km at 7.3%
Col de Marie Blanque, 9.3 km at 7.7%

STAGE 11
Col du Tourmalet, 18.4 km at 7.7%
Col d'Aspin, 12.3 km at 5.2%
Col de Peyresourde, 9.5 km at 7.1%
Col du Portillon, 7.9 km at 8.4%
Pla-de-Beret, 13.5 km at 5.4%

STAGE 15
Col d'Izoard, 14.2 km at 7%
Col du Lautaret, 12.1 km at 4.4%
Alpe d'Huez, 13.9 km at 7.9%

STAGE 16
Col du Galibier, 42.8 km at 4.5%
Col de la Croix-de-Fer, 22.7 km at 7%
Col du Mollard, 5.8 km at 7%
La Toussuire, 18.4 km at 6%

STAGE 17
Col des Saisies, 14.9 km at 6.4%
Col des Aravis, 5.9 km at 7.3%
Col de la Colombiere, 11.8 km at 5.9%
Cote de Chatillon, 5.1 km at 4.9%
Col de Joux-Plane, 11.7 km at 8.7%
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The stage will probably take somewhere around 6 hours.

Because they might go up at 25km/hr but they can hit 80 on the downhills.

And Landis is looking really good to win this tour, as long as he avoid any major catastrophes. And to no doubt it will piss off the French even more if another American wins
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Mike I have ridden some serious hills on some of my rides but I couldn't imagine climbing 8.7% average grade for 12km or 4.5 for 42, that is longer than a lot of people ride flat rides. And they are climbing to almost 2000km to 8500ft.
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IMO Stage 11 will be the KILLER of this tour. The real GC candidates will be very clear by the end of Thursday IMO.
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Originally Posted by Beelzebub
The stage will probably take somewhere around 6 hours.

Because they might go up at 25km/hr but they can hit 80 on the downhills.

And Landis is looking really good to win this tour, as long as he avoid any major catastrophes. And to no doubt it will piss off the French even more if another American wins
I know many people are saying that but kloden is looking exceptionally strong as well as fwe others. can't wait!!
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Damn, Levi is totally out of it.

The only thing to note for the G.C men today was the time loss of almost 2 minutes by Levi Leipheimer after being dropped in the final 10kms.
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I think the Americans must have really cut back on their "pre-race routine's"
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