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Did you not read a fucking thing I wrote yesterday? Honda isn't going to push this car to over 20psi. You're on drugs hoping for 250hp... Honda has NEVER been about good HP numbers. They're always about squeezing as much out of an engine, as safely as possible. Ford had to limit the ST in first and second gears due to 250hp. It's not happening in the civic.
Although the LED lights look cool, they're no better than HIDs. I remember reading a little while ago that their output wasn't as good and there were some glare issues. Not sure how true that is.
Either way, personally, I'd just throw an HID kit into the projectors and call it a day. To me, the LED lights are just a marketing gimmick. They're expensive and don't seem to add much of anything besides looks.
If that is the case, I'm ok without them.
Originally Posted by oonowindoo
I have LED. as far as performance goes (How wide and far you can see), a good HID with projector > any LED on the market right now.
But LED does have its advantages: the looks at day or at night time. the brightness on the ground (you can see much better where the light shines, especially in rainy days) <--- the problem with that is you can't make it see very far or wide without blinding everyone due to the nature of LED itself.
Originally Posted by Edward'TLS
^^^^^ Agree.
In terms of light output, the Jewel-Eye LED headlights on my 3G MDX is noticeable better than the HID headlights on my 4G TL.
Thanks. So unlike previous SI's, the new one will have different trims within the SI range. It's good to have choices.
Originally Posted by VR1
Good points! I didn't know the Si was that much lighter then the St.
Yea, it's also lighter than the GTI which is just above 3100lb.
Originally Posted by TacoBello
The current 1.5T in the civic makes 174hp and 162ftlb at 16.5psi.
I imagine the new Si is being put forth as competition for the Focus ST, which runs 252hp and 270ftlb at 19.5psi.
I really don't see Honda boosting past 20psi on the civic platform as it is now. I also don't imagine they are changing to a different turbo.
That being said, I think the Si will end up being around 200-210hp and 200-210ftlb. Not a huge gain in power, but, how much can they realistically gain from 3.0-3.5psi additional boost?
Now everyone is probably like "awww shit, that sucks, the Focus ST puts out over 250hp and even more torque!". Yes, but Ford decided that power isn't usable and limits it in first and second gears. While the Si will have less power, it will be more usable in the first two gears. As mentioned, the car will also be lighter, as the ST comes in at a stout 32xx pounds. Overall, I think the Si will be the better car to drive. Honda has NEVER been known for high horsepower cars. They've ALWAYS been known for safely and reliably maxing out small engines. This will undoubtedly be no different, me thinks.
It also seems like that 174hp rating of the normal Civic 1.5T could be underrated. Its 1/4 mile trap speed is better than cars with better power to weight ratios:
Civic 1.5T CVT: 174hp / 2882lb / 95mph - 16.56lb/hp
Veloster Turbo DCT: 201hp / 2984lb / 91mph - 14.85lb/hp
Mini Cooper S 6MT: 189hp / 2839lb / 94mph - 15.02lb/hp
Focus ST 6MT: 252hp / 3248lb / 94-96mph - 12.89lb/hp (2 different C/D tests)
Dyno results will vary but it's interesting to see the gains. With just a chip it went from 161whp to 210whp. Based on the acceleration figures, 161whp doesn't seem unrealistic too for a stock 1.5T.
161whp would be like 200hp at the crank. You think it's that underrated? I'm not saying it's not...
210whp would be about 250hp at the crank. While those numbers are easily attainable, I think it is beyond Honda's safe zone. They won't push that much boost.
No man, I'm not saying the Civic 1.5T makes 200hp at the crank since every dyno is different....and depends on many factors...but it definitely seems like it makes more than 174hp at the crank based on both dyno and actual acceleration figures.
Put it this way, if Honda rates the Civic 1.5T at 190hp, I wouldn't feel they are lying based on the fact that it can trap 93-95 mph in the 1/4 mile.
So, for the Civic Si, if Honda says it makes 215hp, may be it will be closer to 230hp. But that's just a guesstimate.
The idea is that I wouldn't pay too much attention to the power rating. I'm more into the actual real world acceleration numbers.
I test drove a 1.5 hatch auto ex-l today and was thoroughly impressed . I didn't like the black wheels or the touchscreen everything. The eps was really nice. The power was pretty decent too. I don't think that i'll replace my 05 is300 with it, but i really liked it.
Ditto.
I test drove the Civic Hatch EX a couple weeks ago and really liked the way it drove.
I agree that the touch screen everything could be frustrating at times.
The Civic Hatch is on my list of cars to replace the Golf TDI.
While the styling is polarizing, the more I look at it the more I like it. My one peeve is that there is A LOT of black plastic on the front and rear bumpers.
The other car I'm looking at is the 2017 Subaru Impreza hatch. I test drove a Premium over the weekend and was a little underwhelmed. Hoping to test drive a Sport this weekend if the dealer gets it in.
Ditto.
I test drove the Civic Hatch EX a couple weeks ago and really liked the way it drove.
I agree that the touch screen everything could be frustrating at times.
The Civic Hatch is on my list of cars to replace the Golf TDI.
While the styling is polarizing, the more I look at it the more I like it. My one peeve is that there is A LOT of black plastic on the front and rear bumpers.
The other car I'm looking at is the 2017 Subaru Impreza hatch. I test drove a Premium over the weekend and was a little underwhelmed. Hoping to test drive a Sport this weekend if the dealer gets it in.
Spotted a new Civic hatch in Scottsdale over the weekend, looked pretty good, but agree about the amount of black plastic; really stood out on a red car.
On the Impreza, I like the look, but would have to have a M/T, can't stand CVTs personally. But, it's been a while since I've driven anything with a CVT, so maybe they've improved The majority that I've driven were Nissan & Mitsu, and they were
I never drove the previous gen Subarus to know whether or not it has improved.
I was expecting the car to drive like a dog, but overall I was surprised by how it went. However, the Honda definitely felt like it drove better (how are they the only ones to figure out CVTs?) but will see how the Sport trim of the Subaru drives.
I did like how quiet the cabin was in both cars (Civic and Impreza) cause I am kind of pampered in the Golf in that regard.
I never drove the previous gen Subarus to know whether or not it has improved.
I was expecting the car to drive like a dog, but overall I was surprised by how it went. However, the Honda definitely felt like it drove better (how are they the only ones to figure out CVTs?) but will see how the Sport trim of the Subaru drives.
I did like how quiet the cabin was in both cars (Civic and Impreza) cause I am kind of pampered in the Golf in that regard.
Just a shame you have to settle for a Premium on the Impreza to get a manual. Same with the Civic, have to take an LX, no turbo (for now) for a manual.
The base and Sport versions of the Impreza are available with a manual. However Subaru thought it was smart to stop at 5 speeds. The gas mileage for the CVT is a few mpg more than the manual. Plus it is not known when a manual will arrive on the lots.
The LX and Sport Civic Hatchbacks are available with a manual. I LOVE the way the Sport looks with the center exhaust, but it's missing a few key features that I'd miss. (i.e. heated seats, CarPlay, and better sound system that are available on the EX).
I feel like there is a better thread to put these, but nonetheless, I got to play around with a Type R recently. Yes, it is a fantastic car to drive. The shifter feels fantastic, the clutch is pretty good though I wish it was a bit firmer, the seats are bolstered very nicely and very comfy, and the driving... it is fun. My FIL knows some people and was able to pull some strings for me to be able to take it out
I didn't get to mash it too much on the autobahn because it was a busy time of day and it was a limited test drive, but I was able to take it up to 190 km/h a few times and it felt pretty fantastic. I do wish it would push me harder back into my seat though- Overall, my Nismo 370z feels like it accelerates a bit faster.
The looks? Ugh... I thought I would love this thing, but not so much. I think it would look better on the black wheels (I think they're an option but I'm not sure) as opposed to the white, but overall, it was a bit too much for me. This coming from a guy who drives a Nismo 370z that has red striping all over also this thing just doesn't pull it off as classy as the Nismo. It's very boy racer... much more than the Nismo.
It's not cheap either- 38,500 euro (though they were discounting it almost 3,500 euro, likely because it wasn't selling. I didn't see a single one of these on the road and Hondas in general are fairly rare here.)
But overall, the interior was well laid out and comfy, and the driving dynamics were wonderful. If only I could drive an RS right after, lol.
Last edited by TacoBello; Jan 28, 2017 at 02:16 PM.
Agree that it would likely look better on black wheels, just for some contrast. I could definitely do with less red trim/accents on the interior.
Personally, I'd take a Focus RS/ST, even though that is the 4G TypeR.
Agree that it would likely look better on black wheels, just for some contrast. I could definitely do with less red trim/accents on the interior.
Personally, I'd take a Focus RS/ST, even though that is the 4G TypeR.
Absolutely. The only thing that should be red on the exterior are the accents. Everything else looks bad. Like, your typical Vatozone, Home-Depot lip crowd exterior "mods"
The seats could do without the red panels and the steering wheel without the red bottom part.
The 8th Gen Civic is not very well built to start with, especially the earlier 06-08 ones. The brake, 3rd brake light, shocks, engine mounts all have been replaced within the first 40k miles.... it has 90k now...
Now i suspect the bushings are going out too, some metal things are hitting each other under the car while she is turning at low speed and not the mention the horrible paint quality (dark colors ones had a recall, light colors didn't), paint on the roof started to chip at after 5 years. Engine is strong but everything else is starting to fall apart.
That is why i am trying to convince her since she really dislike Civics because of her experience.
Last edited by oonowindoo; Jan 30, 2017 at 04:30 PM.
Hmm...I thought that gen was ok but the one after was the one that sucked. I have a few friends that have that gen with almost 200k on the clock with few issues. One of them drives ~100mi a day round trip to work and the only issue he's had was a leaky front strut at 187k.
The 8th Gen Civic is not very well built to start with, especially the earlier 06-08 ones. The brake, 3rd brake light, shocks, engine mounts all have been replaced within the first 40k miles.... it has 90k now...
Now i suspect the bushings are going out too, some metal things are hitting each other under the car while she is turning at low speed and not the mention the horrible paint quality (dark colors ones had a recall, light colors didn't), paint on the roof started to chip at after 5 years. Engine is strong but everything else is starting to fall apart.
That is why i am trying to convince her since she really dislike Civics because of her experience.
and once again I reiterate that Honda reliability is shit these days. Of course TLX owners will tell me I'm an idiot and don't know anything, but it's shit like this that NEVER used to happen. My 1992 Civic Si with 400,000km when I sold it never needed a single bushing replaced. These days, it's required every 100,000km. But apparently that's considered normal and once again I don't know anything
and once again I reiterate that Honda reliability is shit these days. Of course TLX owners will tell me I'm an idiot and don't know anything, but it's shit like this that NEVER used to happen. My 1992 Civic Si with 400,000km when I sold it never needed a single bushing replaced. These days, it's required every 100,000km. But apparently that's considered normal and once again I don't know anything
Has Honda experienced abnormal growth in the past decade or so? Or perhaps they have undergone a change in strategy. I have heard a few times that a lot of German makes engineer parts like bushings to last X miles with the most optimum performance, ultimate longevity be damned. Would explain how certain systems fall apart so much on them with age/mileage.
The reason why I bring it up is I remember Toyota underwent literal growing pains as well with the myriad of recalls in the past decade. They were also once known for their bulletproof reliability, especially the engines... then you have the 2.4L AZ L4s and 5.7L UR V8s having oil consumption and camshaft failures (how often does that happen from the factory?), respectively. Their sales also increased dramatically before and during this period, IIRC.
and once again I reiterate that Honda reliability is shit these days. Of course TLX owners will tell me I'm an idiot and don't know anything, but it's shit like this that NEVER used to happen. My 1992 Civic Si with 400,000km when I sold it never needed a single bushing replaced. These days, it's required every 100,000km. But apparently that's considered normal and once again I don't know anything
So far, the most reliable car i have had is my current 4GC
I had a 435 GC just recently in Germany. What a nice car. It's the kind of car you HAVE to read the owners manual through and through, because it has so much tech packed into it.
The only downside I saw was that it has paddle shifters. With 8 gears, you're shifting so often it actually takes the fun out of it. I just let the auto tranny do its own magic. Though I did love putting it into "sport" mode
The majority that I've driven were Nissan & Mitsu, and they were 
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