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11-30-2015, 11:40 AM
#4162
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I heard the roughness/vibration issue is especially bad with the 3.7L engine.
And also heard the GT-R has really bad gas mileage.
As for those engines found in the M3, I think it's a pretty big difference lol...it went from NA I6 to NA V8, and now to I6 turbo.....the VQ is strictly a V6 engine...
Not just the GTR... all cars with VQ engine have bad to mediocre MPG when compare to J series or Toyota's V6. But in return, you get more torque and better acceleration.
The M3 or 3 series engine reference is just to demonstrate that you dont "need" to have a new engine every 4-6 years but the successful brands do it anyways just because they understand the luxury brand market is about what you want, not what you need.
Something both Nissan and Honda should take some notes on. Riding on the past reputation, even when it is good reputation can only work for so long in that market...especially in cars' segment.
11-30-2015, 12:54 PM
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So ya, I do feel that for Acura models, Honda needs a new V6 to compete properly.
the 3.5 was just as bad as the 3.7 but still tolerable since that is just the characteristic of the VQ.
Not just the GTR... all cars with VQ engine have bad to mediocre MPG when compare to J series or Toyota's V6. But in return, you get more torque and better acceleration.
The M3 or 3 series engine reference is just to demonstrate that you dont "need" to have a new engine every 4-6 years but the successful brands do it anyways just because they understand the luxury brand market is about what you want, not what you need.
Something both Nissan and Honda should take some notes on. Riding on the past reputation, even when it is good reputation can only work for so long in that market...especially in cars' segment.
Not just the GTR... all cars with VQ engine have bad to mediocre MPG when compare to J series or Toyota's V6. But in return, you get more torque and better acceleration.
The M3 or 3 series engine reference is just to demonstrate that you dont "need" to have a new engine every 4-6 years but the successful brands do it anyways just because they understand the luxury brand market is about what you want, not what you need.
Something both Nissan and Honda should take some notes on. Riding on the past reputation, even when it is good reputation can only work for so long in that market...especially in cars' segment.
Not sure about Nissan, but with the recent Honda offerings, especially the Civic (to stay on topic), can we really say Honda is riding on past reputation?
11-30-2015, 01:58 PM
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Autoguide said someone dyno'd the car and it was 160-166 at the wheels. So it looks like it may be underrated. They also ran acceleration numbers, and it was quicker through the quarter than the outgoing SI
Edit: I can't paste the article for some reason.
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11-30-2015, 04:09 PM
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Dyno #s really means little when it is not compared to a # that was from the same Dyno with similar conditions.
To get a better idea of how much power it is making. they need to dyno the outgoing Si with the K24, then dyno the turbo 1.5.
But i think they put down very similar #s but the 1.5T will have and should have low end torque advantage = easier to achieve faster 1/4 mile. With Si you will abuse the shit out of the clutch to get some good #
To get a better idea of how much power it is making. they need to dyno the outgoing Si with the K24, then dyno the turbo 1.5.
But i think they put down very similar #s but the 1.5T will have and should have low end torque advantage = easier to achieve faster 1/4 mile. With Si you will abuse the shit out of the clutch to get some good #
11-30-2015, 11:00 PM
#4166
The 335i has evolved to 340i, likewise, there's C450 AMG, along with S4, etc. With the C450, we are about about 360-370hp now. The Civic Type R has 306hp. It's still some way off 370hp. Theoretically, as shown by Mercedes CLA45, that you can get 360hp or more with a 2L 4-banger. But how bad will the turbo lag be? My friend has one of these and he already had to replace his engine....lol...
So ya, I do feel that for Acura models, Honda needs a new V6 to compete properly.
So ya, I do feel that for Acura models, Honda needs a new V6 to compete properly.
Even 1.5T engine in Civic not cheap and that is with CVT and no paddle shifters.
V6 Turbo acura will cost as much as Sport-hybrid RLX V6. you can put Sport hybrid V6 engine in TLX SH-AWD and the price will be closer to $50k already.
11-30-2015, 11:09 PM
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SSFTSX, I always wonder where you get your insider numbers from. You seem to know EVERYTHING about Honda's/Acura's costs and profits. 
12-01-2015, 12:44 PM
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Like oonowindoo, dyno #'s are nice to have but can vary a lot.
However, those 0-60mph and 1/4 mile figures don't lie and they are impressive.
It's even more impressive when these numbers were from a car with CVT. Just look at the difference between an Accord I4 CVT and Accord I4 6MT:
Accord I4 CVT
0-60mph: 7.4s
1/4 mile: 15.9@91mph
2014 Mazda 6 Grand Touring vs. 2013 Honda Accord EX-L Sedan: Final Scoring, Performance Data, and Complete Specs
Accord I4 6MT
0-60mph: 6.6s
1/4 mile: 15.3@93mph
2013 Honda Accord Four-Cylinder Manual Test ? Review ? Car and Driver
The CVT saps a bit of power and it doesn't allow the car to be launched hard.
I'm interested to see what the Civic 1.5T with a 6MT is able to do.
i know these cars. Those cars cost $60k when fully equiped. Acura can only sell in $40k range. so most will be 2.0T.
Even 1.5T engine in Civic not cheap and that is with CVT and no paddle shifters.
V6 Turbo acura will cost as much as Sport-hybrid RLX V6. you can put Sport hybrid V6 engine in TLX SH-AWD and the price will be closer to $50k already.
Even 1.5T engine in Civic not cheap and that is with CVT and no paddle shifters.
V6 Turbo acura will cost as much as Sport-hybrid RLX V6. you can put Sport hybrid V6 engine in TLX SH-AWD and the price will be closer to $50k already.
I really hope Acura would make a TLX with Sport-Hybrid AWD. For the RLX, that system is a $5k premium trim vs trim. If they offer this on their V6 TLX, it would be something like this:
TLX 3.5 V-6 9-AT P-AWS with Technology Package: $39,375
TLX 3.5 V-6 9-AT P-AWS with Advance Package: $42,600
TLX 3.5 V-6 9-AT SH-AWD with Technology Package: $41,575
TLX 3.5 V-6 9-AT SH-AWD with Advance Package: $44,800
TLX 3.5 V-6 eSH-AWD with Technology Package: $44,575
TLX 3.5 V-6 eSH-AWD with Advance Package: $47,800
With 377hp, 3900lb, 30mpg combined, at $48k fully loaded. I'd be tempted.
12-02-2015, 11:22 AM
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Think it's referring to the test ran by Jeff at TOV.
Like oonowindoo, dyno #'s are nice to have but can vary a lot.
However, those 0-60mph and 1/4 mile figures don't lie and they are impressive.
It's even more impressive when these numbers were from a car with CVT. Just look at the difference between an Accord I4 CVT and Accord I4 6MT:
Accord I4 CVT
0-60mph: 7.4s
1/4 mile: 15.9@91mph
2014 Mazda 6 Grand Touring vs. 2013 Honda Accord EX-L Sedan: Final Scoring, Performance Data, and Complete Specs
Accord I4 6MT
0-60mph: 6.6s
1/4 mile: 15.3@93mph
2013 Honda Accord Four-Cylinder Manual Test ? Review ? Car and Driver
The CVT saps a bit of power and it doesn't allow the car to be launched hard.
I'm interested to see what the Civic 1.5T with a 6MT is able to do.
haha hey man I just went to MB US website and priced out a C450 AMG.....$72k almost fully loaded.
I really hope Acura would make a TLX with Sport-Hybrid AWD. For the RLX, that system is a $5k premium trim vs trim. If they offer this on their V6 TLX, it would be something like this:
TLX 3.5 V-6 9-AT P-AWS with Technology Package: $39,375
TLX 3.5 V-6 9-AT P-AWS with Advance Package: $42,600
TLX 3.5 V-6 9-AT SH-AWD with Technology Package: $41,575
TLX 3.5 V-6 9-AT SH-AWD with Advance Package: $44,800
TLX 3.5 V-6 eSH-AWD with Technology Package: $44,575
TLX 3.5 V-6 eSH-AWD with Advance Package: $47,800
With 377hp, 3900lb, 30mpg combined, at $48k fully loaded. I'd be tempted.
Like oonowindoo, dyno #'s are nice to have but can vary a lot.
However, those 0-60mph and 1/4 mile figures don't lie and they are impressive.
It's even more impressive when these numbers were from a car with CVT. Just look at the difference between an Accord I4 CVT and Accord I4 6MT:
Accord I4 CVT
0-60mph: 7.4s
1/4 mile: 15.9@91mph
2014 Mazda 6 Grand Touring vs. 2013 Honda Accord EX-L Sedan: Final Scoring, Performance Data, and Complete Specs
Accord I4 6MT
0-60mph: 6.6s
1/4 mile: 15.3@93mph
2013 Honda Accord Four-Cylinder Manual Test ? Review ? Car and Driver
The CVT saps a bit of power and it doesn't allow the car to be launched hard.
I'm interested to see what the Civic 1.5T with a 6MT is able to do.
haha hey man I just went to MB US website and priced out a C450 AMG.....$72k almost fully loaded.
I really hope Acura would make a TLX with Sport-Hybrid AWD. For the RLX, that system is a $5k premium trim vs trim. If they offer this on their V6 TLX, it would be something like this:
TLX 3.5 V-6 9-AT P-AWS with Technology Package: $39,375
TLX 3.5 V-6 9-AT P-AWS with Advance Package: $42,600
TLX 3.5 V-6 9-AT SH-AWD with Technology Package: $41,575
TLX 3.5 V-6 9-AT SH-AWD with Advance Package: $44,800
TLX 3.5 V-6 eSH-AWD with Technology Package: $44,575
TLX 3.5 V-6 eSH-AWD with Advance Package: $47,800
With 377hp, 3900lb, 30mpg combined, at $48k fully loaded. I'd be tempted.
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12-02-2015, 01:43 PM
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12-02-2015, 03:47 PM
#4174
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I'm going to take my mom to check out an EX-T in a couple of weeks. I'm really shocked at the amount of safety features available on this car with the Honda Sensing package. It's basically all the things she needs now as she's older. She's afraid to back out in her Jetta Wagon because people just don't stop to let people out of parking spots anymore.
12-02-2015, 05:36 PM
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I'm going to take my mom to check out an EX-T in a couple of weeks. I'm really shocked at the amount of safety features available on this car with the Honda Sensing package. It's basically all the things she needs now as she's older. She's afraid to back out in her Jetta Wagon because people just don't stop to let people out of parking spots anymore.
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12-04-2015, 02:31 AM
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haha hey man I just went to MB US website and priced out a C450 AMG.....$72k almost fully loaded.
I really hope Acura would make a TLX with Sport-Hybrid AWD. For the RLX, that system is a $5k premium trim vs trim. If they offer this on their V6 TLX, it would be something like this:
TLX 3.5 V-6 9-AT P-AWS with Technology Package: $39,375
TLX 3.5 V-6 9-AT P-AWS with Advance Package: $42,600
TLX 3.5 V-6 9-AT SH-AWD with Technology Package: $41,575
TLX 3.5 V-6 9-AT SH-AWD with Advance Package: $44,800
TLX 3.5 V-6 eSH-AWD with Technology Package: $44,575
TLX 3.5 V-6 eSH-AWD with Advance Package: $47,800
With 377hp, 3900lb, 30mpg combined, at $48k fully loaded. I'd be tempted.
In Japan they offering 7speed dual clutch Sport hybrid 4WD DOHC i-vtec system in small car like Grace/City. Imagine this system in TLX.
Honda Worldwide | December 1, 2014 "Honda Begins Sales of the All-New "Grace" Hybrid Sedan"
12-10-2015, 02:16 AM
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12-10-2015, 10:44 AM
#4181
$27k is alot of money but it is spacious than BMW 320i, faster, better in fuel economic by 10mpg on regular fuel. i think similar equiped will be atleast $15k price difference.
Civic has gotten bigger in size. it is as fast as 3.0 V6 Accord from 2006 to 2007 but with 15mpg better fuel economic.
Civic has gotten bigger in size. it is as fast as 3.0 V6 Accord from 2006 to 2007 but with 15mpg better fuel economic.
12-10-2015, 11:01 AM
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are you seriously comparing a Civic to a 3 series?
Oh i forgot you also thought RLX is faster than M5....
NVM
Oh i forgot you also thought RLX is faster than M5....
NVM
12-10-2015, 12:12 PM
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who even buys a 320?
12-10-2015, 03:32 PM
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12-10-2015, 06:28 PM
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$27k is a lot but thats for the touring trim...people do demand all the bells and whistles for even a compact car these days....
If you don't need all that, there's the Civic EX-T for $22k and it still has that 1.5T engine.
For those that want to enjoy the BMW RWD driving experience at a good price while not needing all the fancy features.
Besides, it's got good power already in stock form. And from what I read, its engine is basically a detuned 328i's engine. I think all you need to do is chip it and you can get 328i level of power easily.
12-10-2015, 07:38 PM
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There are some engine component that are different in the N20 from 328 and the N20 from 320. Overall they are the same engine.
Actually for 320, you can get 300 WHP for less than $3k.... But it will still sound like a diesel.
Actually for 320, you can get 300 WHP for less than $3k.... But it will still sound like a diesel.
12-11-2015, 10:38 AM
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12-11-2015, 11:04 AM
#4189
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RWD? 6mt? go find me a brand new Acura with 6mt.... Nope you can't
and talking about low quality, take a look at your Rear view Camera and that is what i call Low quality
and talking about low quality, take a look at your Rear view Camera and that is what i call Low quality
12-11-2015, 11:07 AM
#4190
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yeah, but Acura has better ground clearance than BMW
12-11-2015, 11:10 AM
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but what about door handle aerodynamics, or is that mirror aerodynamics, and interior vent placement
12-11-2015, 11:16 AM
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12-11-2015, 11:22 AM
#4193
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You also forgot something about the Yen and currency exchange and 
whocares whatever doesn't matter Honda is the best no matter what
whocares whatever doesn't matter Honda is the best no matter what
12-11-2015, 11:31 AM
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12-11-2015, 12:47 PM
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Other than just having one single exhaust tip (better than hidden exhaust tips nonetheless LOL), I thought the F30 320i doesn't look cheap at all. The E90 323i (not sure if it was sold in the US) looked a lot cheaper than other E90's from the outside....
12-11-2015, 04:09 PM
#4197
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nah
Just the nature for 4 banger DI engine with a turbo...
Diesel powered turbo charged vacuum is the accurate description.
Just the nature for 4 banger DI engine with a turbo...
Diesel powered turbo charged vacuum is the accurate description.
12-11-2015, 05:00 PM
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12-11-2015, 07:08 PM
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What so special with RWD?. Put heavy all season tires on Bmw 320i. It will handle worse than Civic and performance gap will be greater. my TSX rear view camera is super reliable after 7 years. I expect Civic has the new Tech and LED headlights. Highest safety rankings . Civic Si will beat 328i almost to level of 340i with summer performance tires.
12-11-2015, 07:14 PM
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What so special with RWD?. Put heavy all season tires on Bmw 320i. It will handle worse than Civic and performance gap will be greater. my TSX rear view camera is super reliable after 7 years. I expect Civic has the new Tech and LED headlights. Highest safety rankings . Civic Si will beat 328i almost to level of 340i with summer performance tires.
It already has Heavy or maybe even Heavier runflats. Why don't you put some heavy bricks in the Civic and it will handle worse than the 320 with heavy all season tires.
Whose backup camera is not reliable?
so give me the specs of the civic Si and let us be the judge.
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