Subframe replacement - is there a difference?
#1
Subframe replacement - is there a difference?
I need to replace the front subframe on my 6 speed 05 TL.
According to delay Acura, The part number appears to be the same for both the automatic and the manual transmission. Can anyone confirm its the same? I found a used one on eBay but the car is an automatic.
Thanks in in advance for those that reply.
According to delay Acura, The part number appears to be the same for both the automatic and the manual transmission. Can anyone confirm its the same? I found a used one on eBay but the car is an automatic.
Thanks in in advance for those that reply.
#3
Dude, you missed my point, I did. They say the same number. Just looking for confirmation before I pull the trigger on buying a used one that I can't return...at least not without spending a couple of hundred dollars in shipping costs.
#4
Dude, you missed my point, I did. They say the same number. Just looking for another confirmation before I pull the trigger on buying a used one that I can't return...at least not without spending a couple of hundred dollars in shipping costs.
Trending Topics
#9
He was able to drive it home and after pulling the (cracked, bent and heavily scraped) wheel off, the first thing I noticed was the subframe middle mount was sheared off and offset from its home position. Since this mount is welded to the subframe cross beam which is welded to the subframe, I had to conclude the subframe was now bent. I'm certain other attachments, sway bar, links, etc are bent too.
#10
When you have the part number up, bottom left, "This Part Also Fits" and the listing will be
for all applications:
for all applications:
-
- 2006 Acura TL BASE 5 Speed Automatic
- 2006 Acura TL BASE (NAVIGATION) 5 Speed Automatic
- 2005 Acura TL SPORT (SUMMER TIRE) 6 Speed Manual
- 2005 Acura TL SPORT 6 Speed Manual
- 2005 Acura TL SPORT (NAVIGATION) 6 Speed Manual
- 2005 Acura TL BASE (NAVIGATION) 5 Speed Automatic
- 2005 Acura TL BASE 5 Speed Automatic
- 2005 Acura TL SPORT (NAVI/SUMMERTIRE) 6 Speed Manual
- 2004 Acura TL SPORT (NAVIGATION) 6 Speed Manual
- 2004 Acura TL BASE 5 Speed Automatic
- 2004 Acura TL SPORT 6 Speed Manual
- 2004 Acura TL SPORT (NAVI/SUMMERTIRE) 6 Speed Manual
- 2004 Acura TL SPORT (SUMMER TIRE) 6 Speed Manual
- 2004 Acura TL BASE (NAVIGATION) 5 Speed Automatic
The following users liked this post:
duckengine (06-22-2016)
#12
When you have the part number up, bottom left, "This Part Also Fits" and the listing will be
for all applications:
for all applications:
-
- 2006 Acura TL BASE 5 Speed Automatic
- 2006 Acura TL BASE (NAVIGATION) 5 Speed Automatic
- 2005 Acura TL SPORT (SUMMER TIRE) 6 Speed Manual
- 2005 Acura TL SPORT 6 Speed Manual
- 2005 Acura TL SPORT (NAVIGATION) 6 Speed Manual
- 2005 Acura TL BASE (NAVIGATION) 5 Speed Automatic
- 2005 Acura TL BASE 5 Speed Automatic
- 2005 Acura TL SPORT (NAVI/SUMMERTIRE) 6 Speed Manual
- 2004 Acura TL SPORT (NAVIGATION) 6 Speed Manual
- 2004 Acura TL BASE 5 Speed Automatic
- 2004 Acura TL SPORT 6 Speed Manual
- 2004 Acura TL SPORT (NAVI/SUMMERTIRE) 6 Speed Manual
- 2004 Acura TL SPORT (SUMMER TIRE) 6 Speed Manual
- 2004 Acura TL BASE (NAVIGATION) 5 Speed Automatic
The following users liked this post:
duckengine (07-01-2016)
#14
So I purchased the new (used) sub frame. Working on getting the old one off. Actually I'm supervising my son and his buddy while he learns to work on the little project he created for himself by "kissing" the curb. Yes, its more then a kiss...more like a make out session with his girlfriend. Anyway, thought I would post some pics of the damage and the progress with the replacement. You'll notice the engine bar I had to buy to support the engine and trans. Had to remove the fenders to give it somewhere to brace. You can see the sub frame middle mount sheared off and well out of position. You can also see a tear in the sub frame. Frame was almost touching one of the header bolts on the exhaust...had to pound a socket onto the nut using a 3 pound hammer...actually worked pretty good...as barbaric as it sounds.
Car has 90k on the current timing belt and so will replace this and the water pump while were at it. Oil pan was replaced some time back and developed a leak after putting on the new one. The leak is almost certainly due to the installation process that likely smeared the Honda sealant and the lack of good access to a few bolts that were inline with the sub frame and so never could get good torque on the bolts. All this will be much easier with the sub frame removed.
Added a pic of my 550 HP SC M3...for those of you in to that kind of thing.
Car has 90k on the current timing belt and so will replace this and the water pump while were at it. Oil pan was replaced some time back and developed a leak after putting on the new one. The leak is almost certainly due to the installation process that likely smeared the Honda sealant and the lack of good access to a few bolts that were inline with the sub frame and so never could get good torque on the bolts. All this will be much easier with the sub frame removed.
Added a pic of my 550 HP SC M3...for those of you in to that kind of thing.
#16
IMO : This is a massive undertaking. The first thing I would do , is familiarize myself, with the Factory Manual, for step by step procedures! At least, the Manual, will give you an idea, of, in which sequence, various components need to be removed.,
#18
Yes, the transmission can be removed while the engine stays in; that would be the procedure for all of the 6MT models when in for a clutch replacement.
#19
Mine is an automatic. I assume the torque converter is part of that too. I have a helm manual but not read about transmison swaps or repair kits. I suppose that support bar is great for swapping the front away bar too since the lower subframe has to be loosened.
found t he support bar here.
https://m.harborfreight.com/1000-lb-capacity-engine-support-bar-96524.html?utm_referrer=direct%2Fnot%20provided
found t he support bar here.
https://m.harborfreight.com/1000-lb-capacity-engine-support-bar-96524.html?utm_referrer=direct%2Fnot%20provided
#21
Engine Support Beam/Traverse Engine Support
Also, you can remove the engine from the top, but it is super tight and you have to remove the oil filter housing. Just a little FYI.
#22
Cool . How many miles did you get out of the transmission? And I guess you have not finished the swap yet..?
Yep, the transmission can be taken out while the engine stay in the car. I just got through doing it. The transmission in my 06 TL died, so I pulled a AV6/BAYA trans from a 07 Accord as this is suppose to be a more robust or durable option than going back with the same transmission ir came with. We’ll find out.
Also, you can remove the engine from the top, but it is super tight and you have to remove the oil filter housing. Just a little FYI.
Yep, the transmission can be taken out while the engine stay in the car. I just got through doing it. The transmission in my 06 TL died, so I pulled a AV6/BAYA trans from a 07 Accord as this is suppose to be a more robust or durable option than going back with the same transmission ir came with. We’ll find out.
Also, you can remove the engine from the top, but it is super tight and you have to remove the oil filter housing. Just a little FYI.
#23
Getting closer
I’m not done with the swap yet, but getting closer. I work nights so it’s natural for me to be working on stuff at night in my days off, but getting parts a 2am is difficult. Also, I’m swapping the control arms, rear main engine seal, axle seals, engine mounts, and anything I can get to easily now.
The one thing I’ve been trying to understand. Why does the transmission removal section of the factory service manual tell you to lock the steering wheel but not to remove it.
The one thing I’ve been trying to understand. Why does the transmission removal section of the factory service manual tell you to lock the steering wheel but not to remove it.
#24
Because if the steering wheel spins, it will play tricks on the spring Reel that is mounted behind the steering wheel. And it will think you are spinning your steering wheel and it could set off the airbags when you put electric back on it. Plus it will not know the position of your steering wheel. At a minimum it will trigger the ABS. When you buy a new Reel, it comes with a clip and it is set in position. The clip is removed after installed so the reel is not inadvertently turned out of position. so if you disco the steering wheel from the bottom, then it can turn out of position. So just tie it down or something. Or just dont turn your steering wheel while it is disconnected.
I’m not done with the swap yet, but getting closer. I work nights so it’s natural for me to be working on stuff at night in my days off, but getting parts a 2am is difficult. Also, I’m swapping the control arms, rear main engine seal, axle seals, engine mounts, and anything I can get to easily now.
The one thing I’ve been trying to understand. Why does the transmission removal section of the factory service manual tell you to lock the steering wheel but not to remove it.
The one thing I’ve been trying to understand. Why does the transmission removal section of the factory service manual tell you to lock the steering wheel but not to remove it.
Last edited by Chad05TL; 02-15-2019 at 10:02 AM.
#25
Yeah.....Don’t wait to to replace those bushings.
Drivers side
You can see the groove it was making. This is the drivers side.
Passenger side.
Yep, the transmission can be taken out while the engine stay in the car. I just got through doing it. The transmission in my 06 TL died, so I pulled a AV6/BAYA trans from a 07 Accord as this is suppose to be a more robust or durable option than going back with the same transmission ir came with. We’ll find out.
Also, you can remove the engine from the top, but it is super tight and you have to remove the oil filter housing. Just a little FYI.
#27
Question: Can anyone tell me whether or not to swap this metal shim from my 06 TL trans to the 07 Accord AV6/BAYA?
06 TL tc
06 TL tc- shim found on tc hub...do I transfer this or not?
07 Accord tc
07 Accord tc
06 TL tc
#28
Because if the steering wheel spins, it will play tricks on the spring Reel that is mounted behind the steering wheel. And it will think you are spinning your steering wheel and it could set off the airbags when you put electric back on it. Plus it will not know the position of your steering wheel. At a minimum it will trigger the ABS. When you buy a new Reel, it comes with a clip and it is set in position. The clip is removed after installed so the reel is not inadvertently turned out of position. so if you disco the steering wheel from the bottom, then it can turn out of position. So just tie it down or something. Or just dont turn your steering wheel while it is disconnected.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post