100 Octane Fuel
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If it was leaded, how would that damage the cats? Is it because of the fumes it will emit?
Here in tucson we have a sunoco station that sells 100 octane unleaded gas for 6.99 per gallon. Used to be 4.99 a gallon about a year ago! I fill up with a few gallons of 100 octane every once in a while to clean out my fuel system! Works like a champ. Just do it when your tank is close to empty so it takes full effect. I would see no need to waste your money on filling up your tank full with it. You can always mix 91 octane with it to average out your octane.
Here in tucson we have a sunoco station that sells 100 octane unleaded gas for 6.99 per gallon. Used to be 4.99 a gallon about a year ago! I fill up with a few gallons of 100 octane every once in a while to clean out my fuel system! Works like a champ. Just do it when your tank is close to empty so it takes full effect. I would see no need to waste your money on filling up your tank full with it. You can always mix 91 octane with it to average out your octane.
Higher Octane offers no performance benfit unless you have enough compression to need it. No extra HP. No extra mileage. Lots of extra money.
The only reason to use 100 Octane is if you have or suspect you have some knocking/pinging and are worried about the damage such a thing may cause if you run your car hard. In that case 1/2 91/93 Octane and 1/2 100 Octane will raise your tank to ~96 Octane which will combat or reduce pinging/knocking.
Octane is a measure of the resistance to ignite under pressure. Higher Octane = more resistant to ignition from compression (i.e. detonation).
Wiki/Google Octane.
The only reason to use 100 Octane is if you have or suspect you have some knocking/pinging and are worried about the damage such a thing may cause if you run your car hard. In that case 1/2 91/93 Octane and 1/2 100 Octane will raise your tank to ~96 Octane which will combat or reduce pinging/knocking.
Octane is a measure of the resistance to ignite under pressure. Higher Octane = more resistant to ignition from compression (i.e. detonation).
Wiki/Google Octane.
Yes, you can use Tuolene which is paint thinner and the main ingredient in octane boosters. You can buy it at any hardware store. Of course you have to get the right mixture. I saw this from a post made by 'I hate Cars' and he has the correct mixture i think, also this may be cheaper than 100 octane.
You will be fine! 100 is really good for cleaning extra carbon off the valves and piston tops. I see maybe a shorter plug life, because of heat range the sparkplugs has isn't made for 100 . But you will be fine.
There are a few "ingredients" to making your brew. If you get it incorrect you can screw yourself over. I remember a pdf a while I saved back explaining what all the ingredients are and the ratios for like 116 or something I need to check.
You may be right, I thought it was tuolene but couldn't dig up the thread. anyway if the OP is truly interested maybe shoot him (I hate Cars) a PM about it.
Tolulene is an ingredient in fuel system cleaners and octane boosters. It runs about 118 octane. You don't want to mix it in more than a 20% mixture.
100 unleaded won't hurt a thing on your car. It may not give you any extra power either. The TL is an octane hungry car and mine pings on 91. You will pick up some power until you get past the pinging threshold and anything higher than that is a waste. For me it was around 96 octane.
Anything leaded will kill an 02 sensor in about one tankful and it will kill all 3 cats even quicker.
100 unleaded won't hurt a thing on your car. It may not give you any extra power either. The TL is an octane hungry car and mine pings on 91. You will pick up some power until you get past the pinging threshold and anything higher than that is a waste. For me it was around 96 octane.
Anything leaded will kill an 02 sensor in about one tankful and it will kill all 3 cats even quicker.
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I'm confused why, in our cars, we need higher Octane fuel anyways?
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Octane and power
It's a common misconception amongst car enthusiasts that higher octane = more power. This is simply not true. The myth arose because of sportier vehicles requiring higher octane fuels. Without understanding why, a certain section of the car subculture decided that this was because higher octane petrol meant higher power.
The reality of the situation is a little different. Power is limited by the maximum amount of fuel-air mixture that can be jammed into the combustion chamber. Because high performance engines operate with high compression ratios they are more likely to suffer from detonation and so to compensate, they need a higher octane fuel to control the burn. So yes, sports cars do need high octane fuel, but it's not because the octane rating is somehow giving more power. It's because it's required because the engine develops more power because of its design.
There is a direct correlation between the compression ratio of an engine and its fuel octane requirements. The following table is a rough guide to octane values per engine compression ratio for a carburettor engine without engine management. For modern fuel-injected cars with advanced engine management systems, these values are lowered by about 5 to 7 points.
Compression ratioOctane 5:1 72 6:1 81 7:1 87 8:1 92 9:1 96 10:1 100 11:1 104 12:1 108
It's a common misconception amongst car enthusiasts that higher octane = more power. This is simply not true. The myth arose because of sportier vehicles requiring higher octane fuels. Without understanding why, a certain section of the car subculture decided that this was because higher octane petrol meant higher power.
The reality of the situation is a little different. Power is limited by the maximum amount of fuel-air mixture that can be jammed into the combustion chamber. Because high performance engines operate with high compression ratios they are more likely to suffer from detonation and so to compensate, they need a higher octane fuel to control the burn. So yes, sports cars do need high octane fuel, but it's not because the octane rating is somehow giving more power. It's because it's required because the engine develops more power because of its design.
There is a direct correlation between the compression ratio of an engine and its fuel octane requirements. The following table is a rough guide to octane values per engine compression ratio for a carburettor engine without engine management. For modern fuel-injected cars with advanced engine management systems, these values are lowered by about 5 to 7 points.
Compression ratioOctane 5:1 72 6:1 81 7:1 87 8:1 92 9:1 96 10:1 100 11:1 104 12:1 108
In some extreme cases, the highest octane fuel available might not solve a knocking or detonation problem. That's normally a symptom of a deeper problem in the engine involving carbon deposits on the cylinder heads, bad spark timing, faulty engine management systems or similar. In these cases, some people choose to add octane booster to their petrol. Basically you fill the tank as normal, then put in a measured amount of octane booster and it further raises the octane level in an attempt to stop the detonation. One of the downsides of this is that it can make the engine harder to start from cold, because the octane booster has made the fuel so much less volatile that it's hard to get it to ignite on the first couple of strokes. Products like Klotz and Redex octane boosters are readily available over the counter in most auto parts stores. Octane boosters are typically used by mis-educated motorcyclists who believe the myth (explained above) that high octane = more power.
Octane boosters tested by Fifth Gear. To try to lay the myth about octane boosters giving more power to bed for once and for all, in 2007 the UK TV show Fifth Gear picked four likely candidates and subjected them to rigorous testing. They picked Nitro Hot Shot, NOS Race Only Octane Booster, Wynn's Power Booster and STP Power Booster. All four products make the usual wild claims about increased gas mileage, more bhp and so on and so forth. They took the products to Oxford Brooks University's engine testing lab. The engine was static-mounted so measurements were made at the flywheel. The throttle was computer controlled so they could reproduce the same scenario over and over again. They first did a baseline test to find out peak bhp with regular unleaded petrol. This involved various constant-throttle settings as well as acceleration and deceleration testing, and a 1-hour constant-speed run to emulate driving on a motorway in clear traffic. Each product was tested using the identical setup, with a 15 minute 'pure' petrol flush being used in between each test to ensure there was no cross-contamination. The results were interesting. Nitrox Hot Shot, NOS Race Only Octane Booster and Wynn's Octane Booster all reduced the overall power by 2bhp. STP Power Booster reduced it by 6%. Now remember this was measured at the flywheel so by the time you induce all the drag of the gearbox and driveline into that equation, you'd likely be looking at a 5% to 10% drop at the wheels. Impressive results for products that claim to increase your engine's power.
In England, octane boosters are typically also sold as "lead replacements" or "4 star additive". A lot of European cars relied on the lead in 4-star petrol for the increased octane. Lower octane unleaded fuels caused a lot of problems when they first appeared, especially with cars that didn't have engine management systems. Knocking and detonation became evident in a lot of cars and for some reason French and German engines were more susceptible than most. Dumping a shot of octane booster in the tank when filling up solved the problem by raising the RON a few points to make it the equivalent of what old leaded petrol had been. Eventually, by the late 90s, most English and European petrol stations introduced LRP - lead replacement petrol, and the problem went away. Well. Sort of......
Octane boosters tested by Fifth Gear. To try to lay the myth about octane boosters giving more power to bed for once and for all, in 2007 the UK TV show Fifth Gear picked four likely candidates and subjected them to rigorous testing. They picked Nitro Hot Shot, NOS Race Only Octane Booster, Wynn's Power Booster and STP Power Booster. All four products make the usual wild claims about increased gas mileage, more bhp and so on and so forth. They took the products to Oxford Brooks University's engine testing lab. The engine was static-mounted so measurements were made at the flywheel. The throttle was computer controlled so they could reproduce the same scenario over and over again. They first did a baseline test to find out peak bhp with regular unleaded petrol. This involved various constant-throttle settings as well as acceleration and deceleration testing, and a 1-hour constant-speed run to emulate driving on a motorway in clear traffic. Each product was tested using the identical setup, with a 15 minute 'pure' petrol flush being used in between each test to ensure there was no cross-contamination. The results were interesting. Nitrox Hot Shot, NOS Race Only Octane Booster and Wynn's Octane Booster all reduced the overall power by 2bhp. STP Power Booster reduced it by 6%. Now remember this was measured at the flywheel so by the time you induce all the drag of the gearbox and driveline into that equation, you'd likely be looking at a 5% to 10% drop at the wheels. Impressive results for products that claim to increase your engine's power. In England, octane boosters are typically also sold as "lead replacements" or "4 star additive". A lot of European cars relied on the lead in 4-star petrol for the increased octane. Lower octane unleaded fuels caused a lot of problems when they first appeared, especially with cars that didn't have engine management systems. Knocking and detonation became evident in a lot of cars and for some reason French and German engines were more susceptible than most. Dumping a shot of octane booster in the tank when filling up solved the problem by raising the RON a few points to make it the equivalent of what old leaded petrol had been. Eventually, by the late 90s, most English and European petrol stations introduced LRP - lead replacement petrol, and the problem went away. Well. Sort of......
Higher Octane offers no performance benfit unless you have enough compression to need it. No extra HP. No extra mileage. Lots of extra money.
The only reason to use 100 Octane is if you have or suspect you have some knocking/pinging and are worried about the damage such a thing may cause if you run your car hard. In that case 1/2 91/93 Octane and 1/2 100 Octane will raise your tank to ~96 Octane which will combat or reduce pinging/knocking.
Octane is a measure of the resistance to ignite under pressure. Higher Octane = more resistant to ignition from compression (i.e. detonation).
Wiki/Google Octane.
The only reason to use 100 Octane is if you have or suspect you have some knocking/pinging and are worried about the damage such a thing may cause if you run your car hard. In that case 1/2 91/93 Octane and 1/2 100 Octane will raise your tank to ~96 Octane which will combat or reduce pinging/knocking.
Octane is a measure of the resistance to ignite under pressure. Higher Octane = more resistant to ignition from compression (i.e. detonation).
Wiki/Google Octane.
Yes, you can use Tuolene which is paint thinner and the main ingredient in octane boosters. You can buy it at any hardware store. Of course you have to get the right mixture. I saw this from a post made by 'I hate Cars' and he has the correct mixture i think, also this may be cheaper than 100 octane.
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Last edited by tldrummer89; Jun 2, 2009 at 08:55 AM. Reason: wording
Tolulene is an ingredient in fuel system cleaners and octane boosters. It runs about 118 octane. You don't want to mix it in more than a 20% mixture.
100 unleaded won't hurt a thing on your car. It may not give you any extra power either. The TL is an octane hungry car and mine pings on 91. You will pick up some power until you get past the pinging threshold and anything higher than that is a waste. For me it was around 96 octane.
Anything leaded will kill an 02 sensor in about one tankful and it will kill all 3 cats even quicker.
100 unleaded won't hurt a thing on your car. It may not give you any extra power either. The TL is an octane hungry car and mine pings on 91. You will pick up some power until you get past the pinging threshold and anything higher than that is a waste. For me it was around 96 octane.
Anything leaded will kill an 02 sensor in about one tankful and it will kill all 3 cats even quicker.
Octane is simply a fuel's resistance to burn. The higher the octane, the more resistant it is to burn and preignite (ie detonation). High compression motors create lots of heat, so typically they require the use of higher octane fuels to keep the fuel from detonating before a spark is applied. For street cars, "high" octane is typically considered 91 to 93 octane. Using too low an octane can cause preignition which is sensed by the knock sensor which in turn the ECU retards ignition and adds fuel to cool the combustion chamber. The end result is reduced power and fuel ecomony. Using too high an octane basically has the same ending result because the fuel is so resistant to burn. The key is to find that octane grade that works best for the car. For more late model high compression motors, you're looking at 92- to 95 octane. The only way to really know is put the car on the dyno or take it to the strip.




that would be pushing it though haha