someguy11

Starting a new thread to discuss only the negatives of the 2G TLX. Let's really focus on the crappy Type S. If you have anything positive to say, take it elsewhere. Let's see where this rabbit hole goes. I'll go first.

C/D TEST RESULTS - 2020 BMW M340i ................ C/D TEST RESULTS - 2021 TLX Type S
60 mph: 3.8 sec .................................................. .. 60 mph: 4.9 sec
100 mph: 9.1 sec .................................................. . 100 mph: 12.6 sec
1/4 mile: 12.3 sec @ 115 mph .................................. 1/4-Mile: 13.6 sec @ 103 mph
PRICE AS TESTED ................................................. PRICE AS TESTED
$67,070 (base price: $54,995) .................................. $54,625 (base price: $53,325)

Ouch. A base M340i smokes the doors off a Type S and only costs like $1,500 more. And that's completely unmolested and not tuned yet dawg! The sky (or your wallet) is the limit for any option you could possibly want on the BMW. #theultimatedrivingmachine

Maybe after the Type S is done coughing up the M340i exhaust, it can shout, "Yeah, but I have better handling!"

Sefuthun

Entertainment value from this board is keeping me sane during year-end close

Edward'TLS

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KrylonBlue

Am I the only one who isn’t obsessed with top speed? Where the hell am I going to use this extra performance that the BMW is going to give me?

I love the Type S. It’s plenty quick. Gorgeous inside and out. And handles like a dream. I’m not taking this to the track.

I also use my turn signals so I don’t think I’d fit in with the BMW crowd.

these threads are getting better each day.

dmski

Do we really need this thread? All other ones already dump on Type S non stop. Just beating a dead horse here. This thread will just turn into how great Audi is anyways.....

BEAR-AvHistory

Rather than dump on y'all I will just say I always use my turn signals.

Kense

You’re not a car enthusiast then. Which is fine but it doesn’t make sense to want a performance car but not care about performance.

leomio2.0

This troll thread literally made me laugh out loud.

In other sad news, it appears the next gen CTR is going to continue with the over-the-top styling as the previous gen (mainly the picnic table spoiler). No matter how good it is, it's already crossed off my list. *sigh* Why you do dis, Honda?!

https://www.motor1.com/photo/5988389...ied-in-europe/

kurtatx

I haven't owned an Acura in a few years, but I think it's insane to say it "sucks"

Are there better options? In my opinion, sure. I don't fault anyone for buying an Acura, though. I still like them.

KrylonBlue

I do care about performance but as a total package the Type S is a winner in my book. If I didn’t care about performance I’d have opted for an ASPEC but that’s not the case here.

The exterior and interior of the Type S is gorgeous
The car handles beautifully with SH-AWD
It’s plenty quick. I’d never be against more but I’m perfectly fine with the car as it is.
Acura reliability is far above any European car. I’m not leasing so that’s a huge deal to me.

We all buy cars for different reasons. I’d absolutely love to have fun in quicker cars but as a daily driver and something I want to own the Type S is what I want.

DubPK

How can you say it sucks? There is NOTHING in the price point that offers such a bargain of features and performance that comes with an Acura badge. Do you think any other Acura is going to beat that thing in a race? No. Of course not. Don't be stupid. Even the mighty Honda Accord at the grocery store will be inched away from slowly over a long stretch of road. It's precision crafted awesomeness and how dare you suggest anything else.

djhtsx

iTrader: (2)

Type s > base m340i and a load m340i > type s. Is the $12,000 as test price difference worth it?

F23A4

I'm waiting for sticky thread to counter this one: "2G TLX Owners Sign-In Thread"....maybe call it "2G TLX Owners Shaming Thread".

GhostTL09

iTrader: (1)

This car is really crappy. Yuck 🤢🤢🤢.

ELIN

If you do really care about performance, I would be concerned and stay away from the Type S. That Type S owner who keeps getting dusted in Sam's videos is being publicly humiliated in front of millions of YT subscribers. At least they haven't made a meme out of the Type S....yet.

I have an A-Spec because I've been honest with myself and others in saying that I rather that my car "look fast than actually be fast." In this regard, there's not much differentiating the A-Spec from the Type S but I've saved thousands of dollars!

dmski

Are you serious? Did you even test drive the Type S? It's night and day from Aspec. Whatever makes you happy. That same S4 got demolished by 340M so should the S4 owner never enjoy his car and just get an A4? Stop caring what others may think.

ELIN

No, I didn't test drive the Type S. A full second faster than my A-Spec doesn't get a rise out of me. I'm happy for all the owners but the car is definitely not worth MSRP+ADM.

For the record, I'm thinking for myself. I've owned MB, Audi, and BMW. Not having power folding mirrors and auto windshield wipers on my A-Spec is kinda sad and something I've learned to live with. I've got 27 months left on the lease and heavily leaning toward German CPO once I'm done.

leomio2.0

Agreed, we'll see where the market is at in a couple years ... right now, CPO is basically the same price as new. If the Type-S is going for mid-$40k range, it will be very hard to ignore. If they're still commanding sticker or near sticker, absolutely not for me.

My brother was the first of us to plunge into a CPO BMW and he's had 8yrs of basically trouble free ownership. He's had to replace the water pump & valve cover (common issues). Other than that, basic maintenance.

one4all

So basically just like every other thread on this sub.

PRICE AS TESTED ................................................. PRICE AS TESTED
$67,070 (base price: $54,995) .................................. $54,625 (base price: $53,325)

And this is the reason people will buy the Type-S. Yeah if the m340i was the same price I would certainly buy it over the Type-S too, but it's not. At the base price m340i you probably get a vehicle less equipped than a base TLX.

Kense

huh? In what way? lol

BEAR-AvHistory

Can't be bothered to go line by line what the S has or does not have like the HUD. So the exact M340 I would buy has a MSRP in the mid $59,000 range. Would match my 335, 435, 440 & Z4 M40 in equipment. I did not leave stuff out to make a price. The Z4 M40 MSRP was about $73,000. So if I wanted a loaded M340 @ $67,000 I could certainly afford it but that price has items I am not interested in. Very,very nice than I am not forced in most cases to get & pay for something I don't want.

Nice thing is you can add packages, individual items or a mix of both to the car. Guys who want a HUD in the S would be able to add it under the BMW pricing method.

SebringSilver

That new Lotus Emira looks pretty tasty.

jhb31

If you really like performance then Yes, it's worth every dollar.

Honda430

On the downside you’d have to have the $12k to spend before you could make that decision.

Kense

A base M340 is 54k , what extra 12k are you talking about?

Honda430

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BEAR-AvHistory

That's the thing isn't it. Whole lot of I would do this or I would do that right along with that car is to expensive etc. People aught to back away from the price or money thing & just duke it out on performance, looks or feature content.

Price/cost is only relevant to what you personally have to spend & what you are willing to pay for what you want. What's the point of some 15 year old kid on moms computer telling some one that his car is too expensive. Look at the money the guy in the other thread was will to spend Honda to Acura VS Acura to BMW. You think those comments are based in reality or the Twilight Zone?

I am good with the 0.95G VS 0.97G but not comfortable with the money side.

someguy11

This reeks of making stuff up to prove your point. Instead of "yada yada you probably get a vehicle less equipped yada yada..." why don't you go to the BMW website and do the research? What does the base model M340i not include that the Type S does? Because the price points are damn near identical and one gets you to 60 almost a full second quicker, almost 30 more ponies under the hood, 4 more miles per gallon and a BMW badge. I was gonna say it gets you an M badge too, but you probably say having the Type S badge cancels out having the M badge. I just don't care enough to do a side-by-side line-by-line comparison. I've made my point well enough.

These specs and data are RIGHT from C&D. I'm not telling you anything that's false. You're the one with panties in a bundle trying to spin, qualify or quantify these REAL numbers as more than meets the eye.

Besides, what does a stripped BMW even mean? Do you think they are churning out M badged cars with manual adjust cloth seats, crank windows and no passenger side mirror?

I can't really get into the personal decision and finances of each buyer of any of these high end cars, but for the sake of making my point, let's take the REAL base MSRPs (rounded to $55k) plus TTL (6% + fees) gets you to $60k. Let's say someone is financing either of these for 5 years. Remember, they are premium cars, so someone shopping in this arena obviously has the moolah to do so. At zero down, 3.25%, it's about $1,100/month to get either of these cars.

It's fair to say this buyer in this market is a discerning shopper. Price isn't an issue, but performance, quality and features are. Let's say this shopper is torn between a slower, more loaded Type S and the faster, stripped M340i. Now he's looking at, for the sake of your argument, another $12k to get the M340i in line with the Type S features. That bumps the price of the car up by 20% and the payment up a whopping $200 to $1,300/month. Do you think that increase is a dealbreaker for this hypothetical shopper who can afford $1,100 and wants the best of the best? I highly doubt it.

Since I don't lease, I can't speak to that. What would an extra $12k on a car run up on a lease? Oh heck I'll run the numbers. $60k for 36months 6% sales tax worth $40k at end = $787/month. Wow no wonder why so many people can afford to drive these cars. Same period and terms but for $12k more worth $10k more at the end costs $890/month. Yikes - that extra hundred bucks gets you a LOT more bang for your buck.

someguy11

It looks like you and I were working on making the same point at the same time. Arguing with these guys it like talking to a wall. First they go it's worth it to spend to spend $20k extra for the Type S over an Accord 2.0T Touring - then say it's asinine to spend $12k (realistically less) on a comparably loaded M340i that trounces a Type S.

Honda430

I went to the BMW site and it appears on the base M340i you get navigation and that’s it. No advanced safety features, 18” wheels, no cooled/heated seats, and no leather seating surfaces. I supposed it really doesn’t make a difference because no dealers seem to stock base models. Unless you order the car from Germany you’d be hard put to purchase one if that is what you were willing to settle for.

SebringSilver

Can’t figure out what there is to argue about. An M340i is without question a better sports sedan than a TLX Type S. Just go drive the darn things and it should be immediately apparent. What options you get on either car is beside the point.

And of course, if you can’t afford it (and that includes the Type S), well…you can’t afford it.

someguy11

In that case, it sounds like a modern day muscle car to me.

Honda430

No one here is arguing that the M340i is not a better sports sedan than the Type S. The only question is whether a buyer wants to spend $8K more to own it. What I can’t understand is why some folks here don’t see that as a valid consideration and continue to try to minimize the price differential with straw man arguments. Bottom line is you have to pay thousands of dollars more for the BMW. There’s no real getting around that for most people.

SebringSilver

If you finance or lease, $8,000 isn’t a big deal. And even if you pay cash, especially for someone who can pay cash, that’s like 2 weeks’ pay.

Honda430

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Where I’m from $4,000 cash pay weekly amounts to about $350,000 a year before taxes. I’m not part of that club and if I were trust me I wouldn’t be hanging out on the Acura TLX forum belittling the 98%. SMFH. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

jhb31

Motor trend has the 2021 A-Spec at 7 seconds 0-60. They had the 1st gen TLX A-Spec V6 at 6 seconds and having owned two of them it was not very fast itself. Relatively speaking the Type S is a lot faster than the current A-spec and a bump up from the prior v6. That said the 2021 A-Spec is slow and I would either opt for the type s or buy another brand. If you care nothing about performance then the A-spec is a good choice.

If your bringing home 4k after taxes a week there is little chance you are buying a tlx unless it's for your kid or live in nanny.

SebringSilver

I don’t get it. Who’s belittling anyone? I’m just talking about $8,000. Has nothing to do with which specific car you’re debating about. And of course the vast majority of TLX and even BMW buyers are financing or leasing. Not sure why you’re so defensive.

Honda430

No, you are talking about $8k in addition to $54K which is $62K. Whether you believe it or not, whether they have the money or not, some folks can’t justify spending $62K for an auto in the same way some can’t justify spending $40K. The shame is you don’t even realize how flippant your post was.

jhb31

Pretty much everything on BMW is an option. I remember years back when I was ordering a new 3 series bmw and the salesman was going over options and asked it I wanted a CD player. I asked what does it come with and he said a cassette player. I was shocked as cassettes at that time had all but completely phased out and cd was really the norm in new cars. When I questioned why bmw had cassette rather than CD he said "a lot of buyers like to listen to self help cassettes while driving". Point really being bmw really options everything and as a result if you want anything semi-specific you typically have to order it and wait for it to come off the boat. At least used to be that way, took nearly two months to get mine and the only special options I got were the harmon kardon sound system and fold down rear seats. Ironically that car was in the shop constantly and I traded it in after 18 months because I got tired of driving to the dealership 45 mins away. Back on point option packages I prefer even if I don't want all of them they typically cost less bundled together even if you only want 3 out of 4 in the package.

SebringSilver

So if you can’t justify spending more, for something better, then I guess there’s really no point having these kinds of discussions. No offense intended.