The TLX Sucks - Especially Type S
07-27-2021, 10:27 AM
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Wow. I'm amazed the 1G TLX ran with the TL Type S. The numbers are practically identical. Based on the VIN and test date, it had an original (rev 0) ZF9 too.
It was still an awful car for various other reasons, but that performance is pretty impressive.
It was still an awful car for various other reasons, but that performance is pretty impressive.
07-27-2021, 10:31 AM
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Someone did verify that the 4th gen TL is a 6MT. I have my money on the 4th gen
07-27-2021, 10:31 AM
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I've been leasing since 2012 and haven't been able to break the cycle. I'm hoping to do that after the TLX lease is up (most likely a German CPO).
07-27-2021, 12:13 PM
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07-27-2021, 12:55 PM
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07-27-2021, 01:15 PM
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Can only imagine how it would have performed with the 10AT instead of the ZF9. Maybe a tenth or two quicker, 1-2 mph faster.
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07-27-2021, 02:41 PM
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October 2009 C&D test with all season tires
Zero to 60 mph: 5.2 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 13.5 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 26.5 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 5.8 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.8 sec @ 101 mph
With HPT (they tested the MY 2009 SH-AWD automatic with the high performance tires) it cornered at 0.93g and stopped from 70 in 158 ft.
It's fair to assume that with the HPT, the 6MT TL could have shaved off few tenths at launch.
The quite smaller 335i was faster but no way by the same margins the M340i inflicts to the Type S.
The S4 (still smaller and lighter compared to the TL) was just a bit faster.
The TL outstopped both (when equipped with summer tires, the two Germans were tested with performance tires as well)
With the TL you still had the additional allure of the free revving naturally aspirated engine with its long legs
When I got my TL, I cross shopped with the A6 and the 535i (the 3 Series was too small for me)...a similarly optioned 535i was well over 55K and it was slower and less fun to drive. The fully loaded TL SH-AWD 6MT stickered for 44K.
Seats were fantastic....in the 5 Series you needed to fork several thousands more for the premium seat package to match it and surpass it.
There was no Korean competiton back then, the Genesis 4.6 V8 was still slower and completely outmatched in terms of handling...the 5.0 R Spec will arrive only as MY 2012...barely faster and still not able to match the TL SH-AWD dynamically...and it stickered for 49K.
The TL-SH-AWD was faster than the Chrysler 300C and Dodge Charger RT combo of that era which were still crude contraptions back then with horrendous interiors...you needed to get the more expensive SRT-8 trim to smoke a 6MT 4G.
The twin turbo Ford Taurus SHO was neck a neck with the TL all the way to over 100 but the Ford had horrendous brakes and very dull interiors, handling was another letdown...Ford fixed some of these problems with the MY 2013.
Finally, the TL 6MT was faster all the way to the top and did brake better compared to the then Porsche Panamera 4 PDK V6 with Chrono Package (which included perfomance tires) in Launch Control, a $120K machine as tested. The V6 3.6 was the entry level Panamera of that era. Dimensionally, the TL was within an inch in length and width compared to the Porsche and 170 lbs lighter
Active Torque Vectoring was still a novelty back then and a selling point for the TL.
Finally, the TL SH-AWD 6MT had no special badging to prove anything....it was simply an excellent sport sedan that punched well above it price tag.
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07-27-2021, 04:47 PM
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You're speaking for yourself which you have stated. Not everyone is guaranteed to suffer a failure, but it still doesn't mean that others don't or that statistics lie. You logged back after a while to prove exactly what? Thus far the only thing i've seen is an individual who couldn't conduct a normal conversation. What was ultimately achieved? Other than I had to reply to someone I could careless to ever speak to?
07-27-2021, 05:22 PM
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For all the hate about the 4G, in SH-AWD 6MT form it is still so far the pinnacle of the TL/TLX series has ever reached in term of performance and value proposition in comparison to the competition.
October 2009 C&D test with all season tires
Zero to 60 mph: 5.2 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 13.5 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 26.5 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 5.8 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.8 sec @ 101 mph
With HPT (they tested the MY 2009 SH-AWD automatic with the high performance tires) it cornered at 0.93g and stopped from 70 in 158 ft.
It's fair to assume that with the HPT, the 6MT TL could have shaved off few tenths at launch.
The quite smaller 335i was faster but no way by the same margins the M340i inflicts to the Type S.
The S4 (still smaller and lighter compared to the TL) was just a bit faster.
The TL outstopped both (when equipped with summer tires, the two Germans were tested with performance tires as well)
With the TL you still had the additional allure of the free revving naturally aspirated engine with its long legs
When I got my TL, I cross shopped with the A6 and the 535i (the 3 Series was too small for me)...a similarly optioned 535i was well over 55K and it was slower and less fun to drive. The fully loaded TL SH-AWD 6MT stickered for 44K.
Seats were fantastic....in the 5 Series you needed to fork several thousands more for the premium seat package to match it and surpass it.
There was no Korean competiton back then, the Genesis 4.6 V8 was still slower and completely outmatched in terms of handling...the 5.0 R Spec will arrive only as MY 2012...barely faster and still not able to match the TL SH-AWD dynamically...and it stickered for 49K.
The TL-SH-AWD was faster than the Chrysler 300C and Dodge Charger RT combo of that era which were still crude contraptions back then with horrendous interiors...you needed to get the more expensive SRT-8 trim to smoke a 6MT 4G.
The twin turbo Ford Taurus SHO was neck a neck with the TL all the way to over 100 but the Ford had horrendous brakes and very dull interiors, handling was another letdown...Ford fixed some of these problems with the MY 2013.
Finally, the TL 6MT was faster all the way to the top and did brake better compared to the then Porsche Panamera 4 PDK V6 with Chrono Package (which included perfomance tires) in Launch Control, a $120K machine as tested. The V6 3.6 was the entry level Panamera of that era. Dimensionally, the TL was within an inch in length and width compared to the Porsche and 170 lbs lighter
Active Torque Vectoring was still a novelty back then and a selling point for the TL.
Finally, the TL SH-AWD 6MT had no special badging to prove anything....it was simply an excellent sport sedan that punched well above it price tag.
October 2009 C&D test with all season tires
Zero to 60 mph: 5.2 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 13.5 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 26.5 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 5.8 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.8 sec @ 101 mph
With HPT (they tested the MY 2009 SH-AWD automatic with the high performance tires) it cornered at 0.93g and stopped from 70 in 158 ft.
It's fair to assume that with the HPT, the 6MT TL could have shaved off few tenths at launch.
The quite smaller 335i was faster but no way by the same margins the M340i inflicts to the Type S.
The S4 (still smaller and lighter compared to the TL) was just a bit faster.
The TL outstopped both (when equipped with summer tires, the two Germans were tested with performance tires as well)
With the TL you still had the additional allure of the free revving naturally aspirated engine with its long legs
When I got my TL, I cross shopped with the A6 and the 535i (the 3 Series was too small for me)...a similarly optioned 535i was well over 55K and it was slower and less fun to drive. The fully loaded TL SH-AWD 6MT stickered for 44K.
Seats were fantastic....in the 5 Series you needed to fork several thousands more for the premium seat package to match it and surpass it.
There was no Korean competiton back then, the Genesis 4.6 V8 was still slower and completely outmatched in terms of handling...the 5.0 R Spec will arrive only as MY 2012...barely faster and still not able to match the TL SH-AWD dynamically...and it stickered for 49K.
The TL-SH-AWD was faster than the Chrysler 300C and Dodge Charger RT combo of that era which were still crude contraptions back then with horrendous interiors...you needed to get the more expensive SRT-8 trim to smoke a 6MT 4G.
The twin turbo Ford Taurus SHO was neck a neck with the TL all the way to over 100 but the Ford had horrendous brakes and very dull interiors, handling was another letdown...Ford fixed some of these problems with the MY 2013.
Finally, the TL 6MT was faster all the way to the top and did brake better compared to the then Porsche Panamera 4 PDK V6 with Chrono Package (which included perfomance tires) in Launch Control, a $120K machine as tested. The V6 3.6 was the entry level Panamera of that era. Dimensionally, the TL was within an inch in length and width compared to the Porsche and 170 lbs lighter
Active Torque Vectoring was still a novelty back then and a selling point for the TL.
Finally, the TL SH-AWD 6MT had no special badging to prove anything....it was simply an excellent sport sedan that punched well above it price tag.
If you could care less to speak to me, then you wouldn’t have chimed in on the conversation I was having with another member. How about you take your own advice and not speak to me again? Cool? I don’t get on here often because I honestly don’t have the time. Too busy with work since becoming a practice owner a few years ago. I signed in because I’m buying the type-s and wanted to see what the feedback on it was from people who actually owned the car. What I found was this very negative thread by the OP with several people that don’t actually own the car commenting negatively about it. It just reminded me of the daily “Dr. Google” experts that I have to deal with in my profession. I was looking for real feedback. Thankfully I got it from someone in a PM.
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07-27-2021, 09:54 PM
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edit: no actually I think you’re right. The 6mt did out perform the AT.
regardless, the race would be interesting given the weight difference between the two.
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07-27-2021, 10:33 PM
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there’s already a video on YouTube on the 6mt vs AT. Can’t find it now of course because it was years ago but the auto was slightly faster than the 6mt.
edit: no actually I think you’re right. The 6mt did out perform the AT.
regardless, the race would be interesting given the weight difference between the two.
edit: no actually I think you’re right. The 6mt did out perform the AT.
regardless, the race would be interesting given the weight difference between the two.
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07-28-2021, 08:43 AM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine%27s_laws
Friend of friend who owns/runs a machine shop bought one of these at a government auction some time ago (it was a training/teaching example) and it runs, Jay Leno has tried to buy it from him a couple times.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_GAA_engine
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07-28-2021, 09:20 AM
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Then you would like Norm Augustine's Laws
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine%27s_laws
Friend of friend who owns/runs a machine shop bought one of these at a government auction some time ago (it was a training/teaching example) and it runs, Jay Leno has tried to buy it from him a couple times.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_GAA_engine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine%27s_laws
Friend of friend who owns/runs a machine shop bought one of these at a government auction some time ago (it was a training/teaching example) and it runs, Jay Leno has tried to buy it from him a couple times.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_GAA_engine
07-29-2021, 08:40 AM
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Thanks - interesting reading. We were radial engine happy in armor in WWII. Made for a high silhouette AKA target. Did not know about the Ford engine looks like a beast. We had an air cooled Continental V12 & a small auxiliary engine "Little Joe" to charge the batteries & power things like our hydraulic tools when the main engine was off.
https://www.dieselprogress.com/5031881.article
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Only took 4 decades to integrate a APU into the M1 Abrams
https://www.dieselprogress.com/5031881.article
https://www.dieselprogress.com/5031881.article
M113 to Bradley Bradley to Mxxx Not yet but one of these days, the U.S. Army really will replace its M2 Bradley Fighting Vehicle. After multiple failed attempts, the latest competition to replace the Cold War-era Bradley infantry fighting vehicle has drawn five contestants. The Optionally Manned Fighting Vehicle (OMFV) competition includes all of the big names in U.S. land power, plus companies from Germany and South Korea.
Air superiority fighter F22 over the span of two centuries 1990's - 2000's. In 1981, the U.S. Air Force identified a requirement for an Advanced Tactical Fighter (ATF) to replace the F-15 Eagle and F-16 Fighting Falcon- and first flew on 7 September 1997. In December 2005, the USAF announced that the F-22 had achieved Initial Operational Capability (IOC).
WWII Air superiority fighter P-51 prototype NA-73X airframe was rolled out on 9 September 1940, 102 days after the contract was signed, and first flew on 26 October.[size=8333px] P-80 first US Jet in a WWII Combat zone. [/size]Designed and built by Lockheed in 1943 and delivered just 143 days from the start of the design process, production models were flying, and two pre-production models did see very limited service in Italy just before the end of World War II.
And so it goes even for freak'N rifles.
07-29-2021, 10:02 AM
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How do you get that? 4000×52 = $208,000 pre-tax.
07-29-2021, 10:05 AM
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07-29-2021, 11:34 AM
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I really hate to be in the position of agreeing with him, but "4,000 cash pay weekly amounts to about $350,000 a year before taxes" is possible if you consider payroll taxes plus state and federal (and sometimes local) income taxes. I think the $350K is actually high, but the real number to get $4k in your pocket every week is pretty big.
07-29-2021, 11:37 AM
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I really hate to be in the position of agreeing with him, but "4,000 cash pay weekly amounts to about $350,000 a year before taxes" is possible if you consider payroll taxes plus state and federal (and sometimes local) income taxes. I think the $350K is actually high, but the real number to get $4k in your pocket every week is pretty big.
07-29-2021, 02:56 PM
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I really hate to be in the position of agreeing with him, but "4,000 cash pay weekly amounts to about $350,000 a year before taxes" is possible if you consider payroll taxes plus state and federal (and sometimes local) income taxes. I think the $350K is actually high, but the real number to get $4k in your pocket every week is pretty big.
07-30-2021, 07:08 AM
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Good morning everyone. Does anyone know when Sam is going to do the video?
07-30-2021, 11:05 AM
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Just some thoughts or whatever. $350,000 is an interesting number as its in the 98 percentile just short of the famous 1% range at about $361,000. What makes it interesting is people in that range with a $350,000 base salary to actually take home what is claimed generally have a few other things in their compensation package. Performance bonus 40% of base, company car, Cadillac health insurance plan, paid life insurance etc. The there is where the real money is Stock awards & Stock option awards + retention bonus in times of high hijacking recrement.
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07-30-2021, 01:49 PM
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I really hope he can get his hands on a CTR to run the Type-S.
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07-30-2021, 02:47 PM
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True.
Based on the average selling price of the two cars, I believe the starting delta is $10,000/sec.
The $$ will only go up if the 0-60 gap is tighter.
I have not accounted for ADM so feel free to add ADM to the total if your local dealer charges it.
Based on the average selling price of the two cars, I believe the starting delta is $10,000/sec.
The $$ will only go up if the 0-60 gap is tighter.
I have not accounted for ADM so feel free to add ADM to the total if your local dealer charges it.
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Agreed the average median income of the USA is much lower then that, with that said I live in NYC and I'm little disappointed with the power of the tlx its feels zippy just don't race anything that compete's in the same class.... It's to heavy.... Friends stinger 3.3L left me for wanting for more, tlx aspec is slower then a 2.0 Honda accord so it's definetly a weight thing
10-10-2022, 08:29 AM
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Agreed the average median income of the USA is much lower then that, with that said I live in NYC and I'm little disappointed with the power of the tlx its feels zippy just don't race anything that compete's in the same class.... It's to heavy.... Friends stinger 3.3L left me for wanting for more, tlx aspec is slower then a 2.0 Honda accord so it's definetly a weight thing
A 3.3 Stinger competes with the TLX Type S and not the 2.0 TLX A-Spec.
A-Spec comparisons should be against the 2.5L GT-Line Stinger.
02-13-2023, 04:36 AM
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I do care about performance but as a total package the Type S is a winner in my book. If I didn’t care about performance I’d have opted for an ASPEC but that’s not the case here.
The exterior and interior of the Type S is gorgeous
The car handles beautifully with SH-AWD
It’s plenty quick. I’d never be against more but I’m perfectly fine with the car as it is.
Acura reliability is far above any European car. I’m not leasing so that’s a huge deal to me.
We all buy cars for different reasons. I’d absolutely love to have fun in quicker cars but as a daily driver and something I want to own the Type S is what I want.
The exterior and interior of the Type S is gorgeous
The car handles beautifully with SH-AWD
It’s plenty quick. I’d never be against more but I’m perfectly fine with the car as it is.
Acura reliability is far above any European car. I’m not leasing so that’s a huge deal to me.
We all buy cars for different reasons. I’d absolutely love to have fun in quicker cars but as a daily driver and something I want to own the Type S is what I want.
02-13-2023, 06:16 AM
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