6 speed conversion, 2nd problem 9/2/17
02-26-2006, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by MrAlex
if its fit on an av6 why he doesnt fin on a tl ? looks like the same thing ? 
02-26-2006, 08:44 PM
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Man some of those mounts are expensive. (actually wondering if i need) and the flywheel is pricey too!
02-27-2006, 12:57 AM
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man...you know what, as of my dedication for this project, im gonna ship my left hand to you since i only need my right hand for school, just make sure u ship it back when project is complete! 
02-27-2006, 01:01 AM
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Kris, what are you doing for exhaust manifolds, the 6speed headers are notched for the shift linkage. Good luck. I've thought about doing the same thing (we have the exact same car), but I figured a I would upgrade my engine along with my tranny and got a 2000 WS6 6speed. Now the TL has a HP complex.
02-27-2006, 09:04 AM
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Kris, what are you doing for exhaust manifolds, the 6speed headers are notched for the shift linkage. Good luck. I've thought about doing the same thing (we have the exact same car), but I figured a I would upgrade my engine along with my tranny and got a 2000 WS6 6speed. Now the TL has a HP complex.
02-27-2006, 09:26 AM
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Well, I'm ready to help with the grunt work when you need a hand. Wish I didn't have skool, and I'd just live in your basement till this thing was running.
Let me know when you get your manual and I'll do some
Let me know when you get your manual and I'll do some
02-27-2006, 11:22 AM
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dam kris you pop up with something new everyday huh??.....shittt if my tranny goes again and yours is runnin perfect i just might consider this as well.....my car is still in the shop 
its been 2 weeks.....good luck i cant wait to see it complete 
its been 2 weeks.....good luck i cant wait to see it complete
02-27-2006, 02:43 PM
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wow...after over 200,000miles, you still somehow find it in you to do a 6-speed conversion on your TL. Many would have probably considered getting a new car. But man, this is love right here. good luck and cant wait to see it done.
By the way you are the man, fsttyms1
By the way you are the man, fsttyms1
02-27-2006, 02:44 PM
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Well the tranny came today already. I can gaurentee that that things weighs 150 pounds less than the auto. I was able to pick it up with 1 hand. The packing invoice showed 97 lbs and thats not something you can even come close to doing with the auto. I wish i had a scale to weigh the auto.
02-27-2006, 02:58 PM
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Just how do you plan on getting around the difference in the hood sizes? This explains why you are almost looking down into the hood (since it's raised up so much) in the 02-03 from the driver's seat. To me the 99-01 hood view from the cockpit seemed much more natural.
02-27-2006, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 03CoupeV6
Just how do you plan on getting around the difference in the hood sizes? This explains why you are almost looking down into the hood (since it's raised up so much) in the 02-03 from the driver's seat. To me the 99-01 hood view from the cockpit seemed much more natural.
02-27-2006, 03:51 PM
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Well, I'm ready to help with the grunt work when you need a hand. Wish I didn't have skool, and I'd just live in your basement till this thing was running.
Let me know when you get your manual and I'll do some
Let me know when you get your manual and I'll do some
02-27-2006, 04:59 PM
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Well just for grins i bolted it up to my block for fitment issues and there were none. now i just need the type-s engine and some mounts and im golden for drop in!
02-27-2006, 06:43 PM
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Damn, thats good!.. Question to ask.. First of all you are getting a TL-S Engine right? With the 6 speed from a 02 CL? But arent the TL-S and The CL-S have the same engine but the CL have the option to have 6 speed? But how about the 3.0 CL? Dont they come in 5/6 speed? I mean dont want to sound like a idiot but a question I wanted to get answers too.. Good luck man.. If I was up there, I wouldve def helped out..
02-27-2006, 07:12 PM
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Damn, thats good!.. Question to ask.. First of all you are getting a TL-S Engine right? With the 6 speed from a 02 CL? But arent the TL-S and The CL-S have the same engine but the CL have the option to have 6 speed? But how about the 3.0 CL? Dont they come in 5/6 speed? I mean dont want to sound like a idiot but a question I wanted to get answers too.. Good luck man.. If I was up there, I wouldve def helped out..
I did run into something i have to figure out. My TL-P has what im assuming is the speed sensing powersteering. It has lines that go from the PS rack to the tranny. The 6 speed and type-s dont appear to have this. I need to see if there is a way around thas do that i dont have to buy a PS Rack.
02-27-2006, 07:18 PM
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Yea so ill have to finger out a way around this 
<----- probably see more of this in the future once i really get started
<----- probably see more of this in the future once i really get started
02-27-2006, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
Yea so ill have to finger out a way around this <----- probably see more of this in the future once i really get started
<----- probably see more of this in the future once i really get started
02-27-2006, 07:22 PM
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It really woudnt be that bad if they had produced it in the CL the whole time and if they didnt change so many damn motor mounts!
02-28-2006, 05:52 AM
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due to alot of differences between the CL/TL and TL-S/CL-S....would I be correct to assume that a 6-speed swap would be easier on a TL-S?
also fsttyms1 if your engine had lower mileage would you have considered just mating your engine with the new tranny?
also fsttyms1 if your engine had lower mileage would you have considered just mating your engine with the new tranny?
02-28-2006, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by sxlova07
due to alot of differences between the CL/TL and TL-S/CL-S....would I be correct to assume that a 6-speed swap would be easier on a TL-S?
also fsttyms1 if your engine had lower mileage would you have considered just mating your engine with the new tranny?
also fsttyms1 if your engine had lower mileage would you have considered just mating your engine with the new tranny?
02-28-2006, 01:43 PM
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fsttyms1, how do both transmission cases look are they almost similar if the manual has a different case im wondering if your axles are gonna swap in or your gonna need to get some custom ones done up. that was one of the problems i thought about when attempting to do the swap.
02-28-2006, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
Yes teh TL-S and CL-S have the same engine. Im not sure what engine im getting yet as i havent bought one. The 6speed was only offered in 2003. no the 3.0 didnt come with the 6 speed.
I did run into something i have to figure out. My TL-P has what im assuming is the speed sensing powersteering. It has lines that go from the PS rack to the tranny. The 6 speed and type-s dont appear to have this. I need to see if there is a way around thas do that i dont have to buy a PS Rack.
I did run into something i have to figure out. My TL-P has what im assuming is the speed sensing powersteering. It has lines that go from the PS rack to the tranny. The 6 speed and type-s dont appear to have this. I need to see if there is a way around thas do that i dont have to buy a PS Rack.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132412
02-28-2006, 03:20 PM
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Man I have not visit this site for few weeks and fsttyms1 is going all out with the 6 speed swap.
As for the powersteering rack, there are few ways to get around this problem. you can disconnect the speed sensor hose and connect a by pass fitting for the hose.
What hose on the speed sensor does, is change the powersterring fluid pressure to activate the fluid pressure switch, and send the signal to the ECU.
The fluid pressure sensor on the TL-P sent less the 1.0V between terminal A26 and B20 on the PCM when the wheel is center, but when the care is moving it will sent a 1 to 14.4 volt to the PCM.
If you are installing a TYPE-S ECU this function is not use, but you will need to keep the PSP switch sensor to the ECU assuming you going to use the TYPE-S ECU hardness and connecter the PSP switch signal is basically the same position buy is now A26(Brn/yel) and E20 (GRN)
Hope this help.
As for the powersteering rack, there are few ways to get around this problem. you can disconnect the speed sensor hose and connect a by pass fitting for the hose.
What hose on the speed sensor does, is change the powersterring fluid pressure to activate the fluid pressure switch, and send the signal to the ECU.
The fluid pressure sensor on the TL-P sent less the 1.0V between terminal A26 and B20 on the PCM when the wheel is center, but when the care is moving it will sent a 1 to 14.4 volt to the PCM.
If you are installing a TYPE-S ECU this function is not use, but you will need to keep the PSP switch sensor to the ECU assuming you going to use the TYPE-S ECU hardness and connecter the PSP switch signal is basically the same position buy is now A26(Brn/yel) and E20 (GRN)
Hope this help.
02-28-2006, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by fastcarz3
fsttyms1, how do both transmission cases look are they almost similar if the manual has a different case im wondering if your axles are gonna swap in or your gonna need to get some custom ones done up. that was one of the problems i thought about when attempting to do the swap.
Originally Posted by Michael Wan
Kris good luck! Way to go!
Make sure you run either Amsoil MTF or MTL-P in that 6MT in your area for smooth shifting when its cold!
Make sure you run either Amsoil MTF or MTL-P in that 6MT in your area for smooth shifting when its cold!
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Man I have not visit this site for few weeks and fsttyms1 is going all out with the 6 speed swap.
As for the powersteering rack, there are few ways to get around this problem. you can disconnect the speed sensor hose and connect a by pass fitting for the hose.
What hose on the speed sensor does, is change the powersterring fluid pressure to activate the fluid pressure switch, and send the signal to the ECU.
The fluid pressure sensor on the TL-P sent less the 1.0V between terminal A26 and B20 on the PCM when the wheel is center, but when the care is moving it will sent a 1 to 14.4 volt to the PCM.
If you are installing a TYPE-S ECU this function is not use, but you will need to keep the PSP switch sensor to the ECU assuming you going to use the TYPE-S ECU hardness and connecter the PSP switch signal is basically the same position buy is now A26(Brn/yel) and E20 (GRN)
Hope this help.
As for the powersteering rack, there are few ways to get around this problem. you can disconnect the speed sensor hose and connect a by pass fitting for the hose.
What hose on the speed sensor does, is change the powersterring fluid pressure to activate the fluid pressure switch, and send the signal to the ECU.
The fluid pressure sensor on the TL-P sent less the 1.0V between terminal A26 and B20 on the PCM when the wheel is center, but when the care is moving it will sent a 1 to 14.4 volt to the PCM.
If you are installing a TYPE-S ECU this function is not use, but you will need to keep the PSP switch sensor to the ECU assuming you going to use the TYPE-S ECU hardness and connecter the PSP switch signal is basically the same position buy is now A26(Brn/yel) and E20 (GRN)
Hope this help.
Thats Awsome help. I just need to figure out how to bypass it now (the hose outlets are 2 different sizes)
Yea ill be using the CL-S Manual ECU so will that make a difference?
02-28-2006, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
They are quite a bit different, but the spot for the axels is in the exact same spot. you can use the same axels
Cool I was wondering what fluid to use. Now to find out how much to use
Thats Awsome help. I just need to figure out how to bypass it now (the hose outlets are 2 different sizes)
Yea ill be using the CL-S Manual ECU so will that make a difference?
Cool I was wondering what fluid to use. Now to find out how much to use
Thats Awsome help. I just need to figure out how to bypass it now (the hose outlets are 2 different sizes)
Yea ill be using the CL-S Manual ECU so will that make a difference?
The CL-S Manual ECU should not make a difference.
I'll need to look up the different between the TL-P and CL-S steering, I think all other sensor should be the same, the only thing I can think that might give you some problem is the TCS and VSA. I guess you will not need TCS or VSA onces you go 6MT.
Let me know if you need help with ECU wiring, I'll try to help you out.
Make sure you get the exect year the new wirring hardness is comming from, if possiable the VIN number. Acura do change the color coding during production.
02-28-2006, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by pdprich
Yes the outlets are 2 different size, but make sure you use something strong, as you know PS fluid pressure is very high.
The CL-S Manual ECU should not make a difference.
I'll need to look up the different between the TL-P and CL-S steering, I think all other sensor should be the same, the only thing I can think that might give you some problem is the TCS and VSA. I guess you will not need TCS or VSA onces you go 6MT.
Let me know if you need help with ECU wiring, I'll try to help you out.
Make sure you get the exect year the new wirring hardness is comming from, if possiable the VIN number. Acura do change the color coding during production.
The CL-S Manual ECU should not make a difference.
I'll need to look up the different between the TL-P and CL-S steering, I think all other sensor should be the same, the only thing I can think that might give you some problem is the TCS and VSA. I guess you will not need TCS or VSA onces you go 6MT.
Let me know if you need help with ECU wiring, I'll try to help you out.
Make sure you get the exect year the new wirring hardness is comming from, if possiable the VIN number. Acura do change the color coding during production.
02-28-2006, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
They are quite a bit different, but the spot for the axels is in the exact same spot. you can use the same axels
You mean your TL-p axles could be used or the ones from the Type S?
02-28-2006, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by blk2001tlon19s
You mean your TL-p axles could be used or the ones from the Type S?
02-28-2006, 07:04 PM
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02-28-2006, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1
Thank you. Do i just conect the to lines on the PS together? Yea the 6 speed doesnt have VSA or TCS so i wont have to worry about that. I my buy the harness new (not that bad for price and is harder than hell finding used)
Thinking about it you can just leave the speed sensor in place and hide it some where, this way you don't have to worrie about getting the correct fitting and most important prevent leaking from reconnect cut PS hose. PS host are know to leak onces you cut them and reconnect.
Just to let you know ahead of time. your steering will feel different at high speed. cause your PS will not know what speed you car will be going and will not be able to change the fluid flow via speed.
02-28-2006, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by pdprich
yes you can just connect the two lines togather.
Thinking about it you can just leave the speed sensor in place and hide it some where, this way you don't have to worrie about getting the correct fitting and most important prevent leaking from reconnect cut PS hose. PS host are know to leak onces you cut them and reconnect.
Just to let you know ahead of time. your steering will feel different at high speed. cause your PS will not know what speed you car will be going and will not be able to change the fluid flow via speed.
Thinking about it you can just leave the speed sensor in place and hide it some where, this way you don't have to worrie about getting the correct fitting and most important prevent leaking from reconnect cut PS hose. PS host are know to leak onces you cut them and reconnect.
Just to let you know ahead of time. your steering will feel different at high speed. cause your PS will not know what speed you car will be going and will not be able to change the fluid flow via speed.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132412
The part in the 3rd pic is whats on the tranny and lines go to the PS rack. Its that end that needs to be pluged(the PS- which im still trying to figure out how to do with out leaking since they are 2 different dia's)