2002MAXIMASE

Who would win? Both being stock with no mods.
Has any one ever raced a new 02 Max?

zaptces

ummm i think it would be a really close race... but the maxima might have a slight advantage due to to the 6 speed manual trans.... but i think it really comes down to driver skill

BlackShadow

I believe that auto for auto the TL-S will win. But if the max is a manual then the max will win.

songoku

Agree~~ :p

dean078

i don't htink you have to worry because i don't think the 2002 6-spds maximas are out yet.

Weasel_RENAMED

They are out, 1 guy on maxima.org has one and 2 have theirs sitting at the dealer.

zaptces

just wait till the new TL and TL-S come out they will smoke the Maxima

ssk0771

I agree

JoNightTL

My friend has a 2002 SE Auto, funny thing is he uses the gated shifter as a sport shift, when in fact, there is no sport shift on the maxima

chadhova

hahaha:p I used to do that with my gated shifter Till I found out it could fvck up my tranny that is

Lexus_IS300

sorry, i am not trying to pist you guys off, but teh maxima would win, no arguements. the '01 5spd maximas were running 14.8s!! if you dont believe me, go to maxima.org and check. auto vs. auto would be a closer race.

jen84

Both the Maxima and the Altima (3.5)would win against the TL- Type S. Both have too much torque and have lower curb weights. Don't feel bad though, they would also defeat the IS 300, A-4 2.8 (Passat), 325i, (run neck & neck with the 330i) and a host of other luxury name brands (GS 300, 525I & 530I).

Acura_Fan

I drove my brothers '01 Maxima SE this past weekend and it seems a little faster than my '01 TL but not nearly as comfortable. Engine whine, cheaper interior, etc.... I think his is faster (more torque) but luxury-wise the TL crushes it. He is not into racing but I am pretty sure he would win, maybe not though.

mikegunnz

Um, unless I'm wrong, haven't I seen ppl post 14.8 time with their TL-S. Also didn't R&D post 14.8 times?
I think the 2002 manual its quicker, but not the 2001.

typeR

i think you guys will agree that a 99+GT has alot more torque also...but if managed twice to beat one to 80mph...you can track time all you want ...on the street it'll be who ever gets the best start max or altima...if i get you off the line you're done...
BTW it's not horsepower or torque peaks that win it's how long they're sustained our torque curve is long and flat...how long do they maintain there torque???ah now thats another question..

Lexus_IS300

read my post again man. 14.8 on a '01 maxima 5spd...the '02 is 6spd with 255hp. big diff.

mikegunnz

I read ur post, and ur talking about the 01 max being faster, and I commented that its not. The 02 is a diff story.

Lexus_IS300

lol, once again. read my post again. where did i say the '01 was faster?

spiroh

I laugh at people thinking that a TL-S/CL-S can beat an auto or stick 2002 maxima. IT IS NOT HAPPENING. The maxima has more torque, and is 300 pounds lighter.

dean078

i'm pretty sure we can take an auto '02. it's the same 4spd gearing, just beefed up a bit.

the i35 only manages about 7sec 0-60 times, and unless the auto max has a different tranny (which it doesn't), it's times aren't going to be that much better...300lbs lighter or not.

spiroh

I still think the 2002 auto max has us faded. 300 pounds and more torque is what makes the diff. 4spd or not.

dean078

and for further comparison,

i35 = 3342lbs
tl-s =3554lbs

yet the tl-s is still about 1/2 second faster to 60mph.

the biggest cause is the 4spd gearing in the max/i35 that makes it slower to 60mph than the tl-s/cl-s. there's a big gearing difference between the 6spd manual and the 4spd auto.

dean078

if that's the case, then the i35 should be all over the tl-s/cl-s...but it's not.

if the i35 weights 3342lbs and the max is about 100lbs lighter, 100 lbs won't make the difference of 1/2 a sec to match the tl-s/cl-s times.

and it's only 14 lb-ft more of torque, not that much more.

typeR

if i could...the red and fuscia are hp/torque figures hypothetical ofcourse for the max with our same 23% loss auto...notice the torque starts off higher and quicly falls off plus they have a lower redline...same with hp ...it.s not how much power you make it's how long you make it

jen84

The fact of the matter is, the power to weight ratio in both the Maxima and Altima are far superior to both the TL-P & Type S. So unless we are able to keep our cars on VTEC there is no way to win whether it's versus the 4 sp auto or 5\6 speed manual Nissans.

We all love our TLs and don't plan to trade them, but let's be real, H/A was caught with their pant legs down and N/I beat them to market. H/A felt it was much more important to put their 3.5 in the Odessey/MDX than their alledge performance car the 3.2 TL.

If it wasn't for the VTEC technology in these cars most all cars would be faster. The four speed TL has terribe gearing and the 5 speed is not much better, since both 4th and 5th gears are over drive. Let's not fool ourselves, give credit when is credit is due. Don't be defensive when you have no defense, it's makes you look....well defensive.

typeR

wow...i dont know how i can say this any clearer..unless you have dyno's there's no way you can take peak HP and peak torque and come up with how fast a car will be period......sustained power will be the answer you need a dyno to find out how well we will do...the new max could theoretically be slower....

dean078

that's the freakin' point of vtec and the gearing, to make the car perform better!

if it wasn't for the 3.5L in the i35/max, then most cars would be faster!

the power to weight ratio of the 3.0l i30 and max was "far superior" to the tl-p (227hp vs. 225) too! yet the tl-p was STILL FASTER.

fact of the matter is, an i35 with more torque and less weight is STILL SLOWER to 60mph than a heavier "less superior" power/weight ratioed tl-s.

how is h/a caught with their pants down? far more tl/tl-s's are sold than i35's. n/i just RECENTLY came out with the 3.5l for the i35/max, and their 4spd autos STILL SUCK which explains the slower 0-60 times. the reason nissan had to start this hp war (which they are already losing because they had to downgrade their 260hp rating to 255hp) because THEY were caught with
their pants down, and THEY are the ones that are trying to catch up.

Max4Speed

02 max is a 5 speed auto actually..

dean078

uh, the only thing i have to say about that is...

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT, BUDDY!

Max4Speed

and also will be a 6 speed manual.

dean078

i'm not arguing about the 6spd manual. yes, the 6spd manual can take us...the 4spd auto CAN'T.

there is no 5 spd auto in the max or i35. unless you know something nissan doesn't.

jen84

Hey Max4SP that's a sweeeeet looking BLACK BEAUTY....DAMMMM.

Question for ya, Have you ever defeated a 3.2 TLP or S? My wife has a chipped VW Passat 1.8 T - 5sp that will pank my TL on a daily...and my TL has got so many Mods that I no longer list them....CAI, Blitz HP cap, denso iridium, CompTech this that.....etc.

1SICKLEX

Sorry trannies suck power no matter how many HP Nissan rates....

Xtrema

Before I start here're some 0-60/ quart mile specs:

01 I30/Maxima 4sp Auto: 8.0/?
02 I35/Maxima 4sp Auto: 7.3-7.5/?
02 Maxima 6sp Manual: 6.4/14.5 (estimated)
02 Altima 3.5SE 4sp Auto: 7.3-7.5/?
02 Altima 3.5SE 5sp Manual: 6.3/14.1

02 TL 5sp Auto: 7.5/?
02 TL-S 5sp Auto: 6.6/15.1

Now if someone can fill in the ?

So what does this say?

Considering that TL's auto is only .3 second slower than Altima's manual, TL is doing very good. And you can't expect Max/I35/Altima with 4sp Auto to beat the 5sp Auto.

But once the speedometer pass 60mph, it's another story. Here, displacement counts. You'll see more 3.5s passing 3.2s on highways. TL is just slower on highway passing speed.

And just so you know, VTEC is not unique anymore. Everyone is doing a version of it, even Mazda. Both Nissan model has it as well.

I've tested both TL-S and Altima. Both are very fast cars but you just have to rev harder for TL-S to get there (like every other Hondas). But once it hit around 90mph, the acceleration slows down. But the VQ35DE in Altima just make me feel invincible, pulling all the way to 110mph and still want to give some more. It's no wonder it's one of the world's best engines and is in every Nissan (Pathfinder, Maxima, Altima, new Z, Skyline).

And why doesn't Nissan sell as well as TL? They screw up on the design. Maxima is the ugliest POS I've every seen. Now that they got Altima's exterior right but the interior is worse than a Civic. At least the TL has a conservative interior/exterior design that at least you won't hate. And if anything that Toyota taught us is that conservative cars sells!

ssk0771

www.autosite.com/new/datashts/overview/2841.asp


2002 Maxima has 4 speed auto or 6 speed manual

URIRx98

its funny, this guy saw that i was posting in the maxima forum and now he is postin here and on the cl-s site. ITs cool though, most of the guys on the max page are cool , but some are fags, and well, as much as i hate the truth, but i think that the 2002 max in stick would beat both the tl-s and cl-s. i have raced many of 2001 and 2000 and well, i cant tell if its auto or stick but its always a tough battle down 95 in FL and they had 225 hp, if the new 2k2 max has 255, its goin to be a lot harder to beat if at all possible. Myself wont have to worry cause next year ill be gettin the TL-SX, and with its 315 or 330HP, i wont have to worry about cheassy plasticy maximas beatin me in my Phatt ass TL-SX. But for now, ill continue to beat down those maximas with my cl-s and laughin it up while they cry or get pulled over.
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y2ks2k

Dont roll your eyes, your the one who did not read his post right...