TylerT

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I took the 5am-2pm shift today and had a friendly 5-100 run with a newer Gen Camaro V6 and .... I lost

We had a slow rolling start and I had him up to 80, but his higher hp & torque got the best of me as I shifted into 4th. As we continued towards triple digits, the pull stopped but he had me by a fender fair and square. I did have a trunk full of crap with a full tank of gas, however the car just got a tuneup with a fresh master cylinder which gave new life into my clutch.

I really couldn't tell whether if he was auto or 6MT, but the autos are running lower 14s @ 99mph and manuals being in the upper 13s and touching over 100mph.

S2000s really aren't that quick in a straight line. Typical owner's response would be: "I'd like to see him keep up with me in the twisties!"

Thanks for reading.

D's Up

What? That's trippy man, I would have expected your AP2 to pull on him. I pulled one in my AP1 but then again he was on some big ass donks. lol.

Side note: 5am-2pm sounds look a pretty cool shift. In early, out early.

edit: Yeah the dude I raced was rolling on 22's and automatic, that was probably what held him back.

https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-2004-2008-93/01-s2000-vs-newer-camaro-830577/

Yonkersracing

Not bad like you said they are 300hp and ~100mph trap speed cars and the S2000 stock quite frankly is not. Good job keeping up.

Ken1997TL

The S2000 is ALL about being able to maintain speed at a track, not straights

At the track that Camaro would be passed repeatedly by all kinds of cars including Miatas.

Aman

I think you did well keeping up with him. Don't consider it a loss.

anx1300c

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It might be 300 hp, but it's also 3800 lbs. The S2K still has a stronger power to weight ratio. I think the newer ones are 320 hp, but in the real world, the 6MT is a mid 14 second car and the auto is upper 14's. Stock to stock, equal drivers, I'd put my money on the AP2, especially from a roll, when the lack of torque is less significant.

TylerT

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To add insult to injury, my car also has a catback exhaust & lightweight wheels and I still managed to lose. .

D's Up can vouch for me, I can drive somewhat decently and I didn't miss a shift .. it may have been one of the newer Camaros with 320hp?

Either way, it was a close run and a loss is a loss.

+1 Ken, exactly why I bought this car - Low & high speed cornering is where this car shines.

D's Up

Tyler's no slouch, he can drive. Which is why I'm still confused here.

justnspace

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maybe the 'maro was bolted on slightly.
their 6's are almost identical to the japenese 6's. a high wrung, N/A 3.5/3.7 six.
a few bolt ons and it could be a little quicker, but just like us are limited to bolt ons. add that to the possibility that it could have been a 6MT and well..

rockstar143

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I rented a V6 2013 'Stang last year...no way in hell could my S2000 OR TL keep up with that.

Now, forget twisties...was HIS top down and did he have the same grin on his face you did? NOPE!

Aman

I mean you were ahead up to 80 MPH, which is as good as can be expected. After that, it really is all about horsepower.

Yonkersracing

If the S2000 had a stronger power/weight ratio it would be out trapping the V6 Camaro in stock form at the track. It doesn't. The 6 speed V6 traps 99-100 mph all day long, you'd be hard pressed to find a bone stock S2000 doing that. Most of the ones I see at the track are trapping around 95mph stock. Sure it's a drivers race but I'd put the edge towards the Camaro being that it doesn't have a peaky powerband like the S2000 and is easier to drive.

Yonkersracing

Not a big deal, those mods do practically nothing for you.

anx1300c

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What does the S2000 weigh? I thought it was just under 3000. Torque factor aside, divided by 240, that's still more favorable than 306 hp pushing 3800 lbs. I've never seen any stock S2K's at the track, but there is a bolted/tuned V6 6MT Camaro I've run a couple times. He runs 13.90-14.00 @ 99-101, bolt ons, tuned and DR's. I ran him twice last fall and he stuffed me pretty good out of the hole, but I was out trapping him by 1-2 mph. I was running him down on the second half. I wasn't that impressed. Two years ago, before he had DR's, I was able to edge him out of the hole and walk him easily the second half.

But alas, different cars, different tracks. Here's a compilation of their times on the 5G forum. Just browsed it quickly, but found a 6MT only trapping 96. Autos trapping 93. I think they're very similar to 3G TL's/7G Accords, with a slight nod toward the Acura/Honda up top.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...t=61392&page=2

D's Up

With numbers like that the S2000 should definitely be pulling ahead. Tyler, time for boost.

rockstar143

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There was a lady crossing the street using a walker parallel to me in my S2000...when she was about to get to the sidewalk on the other side, light turned green and I lit her up...past the sidewalk before she got on it. I won.



She ain't fast...but she's fun to drive. Which is all I care about anyway.

Ken1997TL

I weighed mine recently at 2851 pounds. No one in the car, relatively full tank of gas/spare tire and jack and minimal stuff in the car.

rockstar143

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I need to find this one quote from JS BRZ thread about why these lightweight RWD cars are awesome without overdoing power...

Where did you weigh, Ken? I've often been curious but figured I'd get kicked out if I pulled into a truck weigh station off the turnpike.

Ken1997TL

Mine was done at a truck weigh station on a quiet road. All automated

rockstar143

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LOL...I don't know why I picture getting swarmed by a DOT if I stopped in...

Plus, if I'm on the pike, it's usually a road trip (Florida) and I probably have an extra 400 pounds in the car anyway.

TylerT

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No boost for me - I'm going to concentrate on getting the suspension as good as it can be. Good coils, proper chassis bracing, etc.

The whole thought of this made me

Good to know.

With a trunk full of crap (tools, shoes, clothes, 10" sub, amp), full tank, and my body weight added in- my car is just about under 3100 pounds.

rockstar143

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...well, it wasn't true. The old lady actually won.

rockstar143

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Tyler, what are you considering? I recently upgraded to Buddy Club N+ and I'm very happy. Ride is smooth, especially given how low I am. Rear is maxed, front set to match...the front can go stupid low but no thanks. The ground clearance on the S is a joke compared to the TL. My other friend just bought some used Megan Track coils...we shall see. Heard great things about Apexi too. First thing I did to mine was the ebay front strut X brace...stopped the bump steer immediately (I hope I'm using that right...I'd hit a bump and the front just didn't feel tight and predictable).

TylerT

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Buddy Club N+ was actually my first choice .

You're right about the ground clearance, I'm at a 1" gap all the way around and I still have to hit driveways at angles and be really careful over larger speed bumps. With that being said, I'm not into the whole idea of slamming the car because it actually makes the handling worst when it's on edge - suspension is a good thing and will make the car much more forgiving.

We sure do have similar taste in parts, X-Brace is on my list and maybe a thicker front sway bar. .... maybe a roll bar if I go wild.

Yonkersracing

The problem lies in the fact that you are using manufactures HP ratings instead of what the cars actually put down to the floor in stock form. I have no idea what either does bone stock, but that is a more accurate representation than taking a few standard HP numbers and dividing it into the curb weight of the car. For instance, the older LS1 Camaro's were rated at 300hp because GM didn't want it to directly compete with their sales of the Corvette, but in reality that car would put down 280-300whp, bone stock. Where as most cars rated at 300hp from the factory are only putting down maybe 250-260whp and even less if it's an AWD.

Ultimately, I think this race is a drivers race between the two cars, I just think the S2000 is greatly overrated in straight line performance and it doesn't surprise me one bit that with his little mods, catback exhast and lighter wheels, that the V6 Camaro pulled him.

SatinSilverAV6

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Nice run Tyler. Nothing sweeter than hearing that F20 hitting VTEC

rockstar143

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...well how about an F22 hitting vtec!?!?

Seriously though...I meant the front X brace that IS a strut bar too. Connects to the steering rack bolts at the bottom.

I guess wheel gap wise, I've got none, so my car is sitting VERY low...not slammed, but low. It's still driving just fine though, so zero complaints.

Yonkersracing

Hearing a K20 hit VTEC. hehe

Ken1997TL

I dunno, it's hard to beat the sound of 9000 rpms AND no roof..

Yonkersracing

How about 9200 RPM flying by that S2000 with the top down?

Hehe.

Ken1997TL

9200?

Poor K series..

TommySalami

Mine is down to 2700 lbs even, w/ a quarter tank of gas. You can get it to the low 2600s without doing anything crazy like gutting the interior.

Tyler, get a cat and a tune (emanage if 04-05 or flashpro if you're 06+). It makes a world of difference, really.

Yonkersracing

Sonnick

Nice run, Tyler. I don't think the exhaust does much without a test pipe/header. Nice to see you are still rocking a Honda

Ken1997TL

+1 for Flashpro. I got one on my wife's CR-Z as well.