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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 01:49 AM
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'01 S2000 vs Newer Camaro.

Had a run in with one of the newer Camaros tonight. Black, V6, stick (I assume), and sitting on some 22's I think. To make it short and sweet we ran twice..

*My S2K is virtually stock with the exception of a 3" cat-back.. I don't know how much power it actually makes though in comparison to how much noise it makes. lol

1) He was about a car length ahead and he wouldn't slow down to line up, so once he heard me to drop to 3rd he hit it too. I was at about ~65mph in 3rd gear and I managed to reel him in and pull a car length on him before shutting down at ~90mph.

2) We pulled up to a light and I told that I actually wanted to line up and give him another shot. 30mph in 1st gear, 3 honks and we're off! Almost immediately I start pulling and I shut down about 1.5-2 car lengths ahead after shifting into 3rd gear.

All in all, some decent runs. He gave me a thumbs up and went on his way and I did the same. . Good to know that the little 4-banger can hang.

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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 01:59 AM
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nice run

those V6 Camaros are pretty ballsy, but im sure the rims didnt help its case
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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by crazyasiantl
nice run

those V6 Camaros are pretty ballsy, but im sure the rims didnt help its case
Thanks man


I've heard mixed opinions on them.. even in stock rim (w/o the giant rims) I've read that they're pigs.

Idk though.. guess I'll just have to wait and find out when I run the next one.
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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 02:10 AM
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yea, they are pigs, the stang will run circles around it

nice that a lightly modded 4 banger pulled though
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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 10:14 AM
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Nice kills! Those 22's are probably slowing him down quite a bit. Still think the S2k would pull none the less. Anyway check out this vid of a V6 Camaro 6MT stock vs a 06 5AT 350Z

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLxnVANoJK0
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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 11:17 AM
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a stick 350 would have eaten him alive lol
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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 11:19 AM
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dammmnit, i want to see the vid!!!
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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Rockstar21
a stick 350 would have eaten him alive lol
I'm still waiting to go up against a Z. I'm pretty sure I can pull pre-07 models.
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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Rockstar21
a stick 350 would have eaten him alive lol
It's not really that. It's the fact that the 350Z Roadster is about 250lbs heavier than the hardtop plus the Z had a passenger. In stock form, a 5AT Roadster is good for 14.4-14.5s on average. That Z, especially with it's terribly slow start, would be lucky to crack a 15.0. A 6AT base Camaro is good for 14.5s. I'm not surprised by this race at all.
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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave_B
A 6AT base Camaro is good for 14.5s. I'm not surprised by this race at all.
if i shift perfectly, i bet i can edge out the camaro.
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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by D's Up
I'm still waiting to go up against a Z. I'm pretty sure I can pull pre-07 models.

Not a decently driven hardtop Z. They don't need the extreme launch rpm like your S2000 needs. On paper, the Z should be fractionally quicker. In most driver's hands, the Z should be much quicker since it's not remotely has hard to launch effectively. From a roll, it would be close, but I think the Z is going to walk after 100mph.
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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by justnspace
if i shift perfectly, i bet i can edge out the camaro.
Driving what?
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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 01:07 PM
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6mt TL with a few bolt ons.
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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave_B
It's not really that. It's the fact that the 350Z Roadster is about 250lbs heavier than the hardtop plus the Z had a passenger. In stock form, a 5AT Roadster is good for 14.4-14.5s on average. That Z, especially with it's terribly slow start, would be lucky to crack a 15.0. A 6AT base Camaro is good for 14.5s. I'm not surprised by this race at all.
and the '06 6mt z is rated at low 14's.
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Old Aug 24, 2011 | 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave_B
Not a decently driven hardtop Z. They don't need the extreme launch rpm like your S2000 needs. On paper, the Z should be fractionally quicker. In most driver's hands, the Z should be much quicker since it's not remotely has hard to launch effectively. From a roll, it would be close, but I think the Z is going to walk after 100mph.
From a dig, I'd probably get beat but idk about a roll. Above 100mph, yeah he'll probably walk me. But from a 30roll in first, I think I can hang.

I love Z's. I wanted one more than my S2000 actually. I'm just surprised that in 4 months of owning my S2K I haven't actually gotten to race a Z.
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Old Aug 25, 2011 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by justnspace
6mt TL with a few bolt ons.
For sure unless you've got a terrible launch.
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Old Aug 25, 2011 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Rockstar21
and the '06 6mt z is rated at low 14's.
There abouts. 13.8-14.0 is pretty common for most stock hardtop 03-06 Zs, regardless of tranny. Some are quicker, some are slower.
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Old Aug 25, 2011 | 01:30 PM
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I'm lightened about 70lbs, have the v3 PCD's and v3 jpipe.
I'm thinking I can take an '11 six cyl. mustang.
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Old Aug 25, 2011 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave_B
There abouts. 13.8-14.0 is pretty common for most stock hardtop 03-06 Zs, regardless of tranny. Some are quicker, some are slower.
thus proving my assumption from earlier.. it would destroy both cars in the video...

i dont know what is missing here
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Old Aug 25, 2011 | 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by justnspace
I'm lightened about 70lbs, have the v3 PCD's and v3 jpipe.
I'm thinking I can take an '11 six cyl. mustang.
whoaa....i'd have to see this to believe it. those new stangs got quite the power boost...
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Old Aug 25, 2011 | 04:47 PM
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I have 2 friends. a white v6 stang and a black 6mt six cyilnder.
they're too scared to race.
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Old Aug 25, 2011 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by justnspace
I'm lightened about 70lbs, have the v3 PCD's and v3 jpipe.
I'm thinking I can take an '11 six cyl. mustang.
There are two different gearing options when it comes to V6 mustangs. The 3.31:1 axle ratio is the much quicker option vs the 2.73:1. I have seen high 13's stock with the 3.31 ratio 6AT and manual. Low-mid 14s with the 2.73's.
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Old Aug 25, 2011 | 05:35 PM
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so i should watch out for the one with the manual? if he has the better gearing.
I just looked up some stock dyno numbers....they're just at 258rwhp

I'm very close to this territory.
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Old Aug 25, 2011 | 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by justnspace
so i should watch out for the one with the manual? if he has the better gearing.
I just looked up some stock dyno numbers....they're just at 258rwhp

I'm very close to this territory.
Watch out for the manual and auto. It will be a great drivers race. The TL 6MT can hold its own no doubt though.
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Old Aug 26, 2011 | 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by justnspace
so i should watch out for the one with the manual? if he has the better gearing.
I just looked up some stock dyno numbers....they're just at 258rwhp

I'm very close to this territory.
You're also about 300 pounds lighter .. Camaros are porky.
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Old Aug 26, 2011 | 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by justnspace
so i should watch out for the one with the manual? if he has the better gearing.
I just looked up some stock dyno numbers....they're just at 258rwhp

I'm very close to this territory.

True, but they have a bit more torque, a fatter powerband, and a live axle which lets them plant the tires quite well. The new V6 Stangs can move and with a couple very simple bolt-ons, even more so. Strap on a set of slicks to a bonestock 11'+ V6 6MT Stang and it should easily see mid 13s. Add a set of 4.1 gears, tuner, headers, and catback and you're looking at low 13s, possibly 12s.

Keep in mind Motor Trend got 13.7s@102mph out of a bonestock V6 6MT. Surely there will be owners with them that will see even quicker times on a nice track.

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Old Aug 26, 2011 | 11:07 AM
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^but like one said...the TL can def. hold its own.

I havent seen too many modded 11 stangs yet. so here's hoping too all I come across are stock
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Old Aug 26, 2011 | 01:56 PM
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^^ Race both of your buddies and record.
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Old Aug 26, 2011 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave_B
True, but they have a bit more torque, a fatter powerband, and a live axle which lets them plant the tires quite well. The new V6 Stangs can move and with a couple very simple bolt-ons, even more so. Strap on a set of slicks to a bonestock 11'+ V6 6MT Stang and it should easily see mid 13s. Add a set of 4.1 gears, tuner, headers, and catback and you're looking at low 13s, possibly 12s.

Keep in mind Motor Trend got 13.7s@102mph out of a bonestock V6 6MT. Surely there will be owners with them that will see even quicker times on a nice track.
I have seen some vids on youtube and some simple bolt-ons put even the 6AT in the low 13's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_psJn...eature=related
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Old Aug 26, 2011 | 06:39 PM
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Another impressive V6 stang. He is running 2.73's with a 6MT and simple bolt-ons with tune.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ4fO_BgIHY
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Old Aug 26, 2011 | 10:47 PM
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And this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBSIx...eature=related

Those things are no joke with mods, but IMO, there's still something inherently wrong with buying a V6 pony car.
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Old Aug 27, 2011 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by anx1300c
And this:


Those things are no joke with mods, but IMO, there's still something inherently wrong with buying a V6 pony car.
hehehehehe
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Old Aug 27, 2011 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by anx1300c
And this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBSIx...eature=related

Those things are no joke with mods, but IMO, there's still something inherently wrong with buying a V6 pony car.
On principle, I'd get one of the V8 variants if I were in the market for a Stang. But I give Ford props for finally creating a base Stang that actually causes one to question whether or not to opt for a V8. (I recall back when the updated Fox body -- circa 1987 -- had either a 225hp V8 GT/LX ('5.0') or an 88hp 4 cylinder LX. ...and it didn't get much better until the current generation.)
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Old Aug 27, 2011 | 05:48 PM
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^it sure can hook tho.
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After flogging that 5.0 last month, I'm definitely toying with the idea of buying one after the Acura's paid off and then driving the Acura in the winter. I'll take a black/black GT Premium 6MT with Brembos, 3.73's, HID/security and comfort packages and the 19's thank you very much. It's a lot of car for $37k and change.
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Originally Posted by F23A4
On principle, I'd get one of the V8 variants if I were in the market for a Stang. But I give Ford props for finally creating a base Stang that actually causes one to question whether or not to opt for a V8. (I recall back when the updated Fox body -- circa 1987 -- had either a 225hp V8 GT/LX ('5.0') or an 88hp 4 cylinder LX. ...and it didn't get much better until the current generation.)
Yep, and don't forget the 4.0 boat anchor, '05-'10. I encountered one of those on the highway last week; I passed him doing ~65 and all was fine for awhile, then I pulled back out to pass a line of cars and he came right up on me. I guess I didn't get back over quickly enough for him, because he punched it and passed me on the inside. I thought about dropping into third and hurting his feelings badly, but decided not to embarrass him with his wife in the car. He was probably like "look honey, I'm smoking that import family sedan, aren't I cool!?!"
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Old Aug 28, 2011 | 08:36 AM
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^worried about the chinese made 6mt?
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Old Aug 29, 2011 | 09:01 AM
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I'm actually quite intrigued by the new V6. Sure, I love the 5.0. Freaking amazing motor with lots of flexibility and the same can be said for the V6. In terms of handling, you can get a v6 equipped with the GT suspension. We already know the new GT can handle exceptionally well and the Boss even more so. I can only imagine what a lighter (especially in nose) V6 with a proper suspension could do. The GT is a steal for the money, but the V6 probably even more so. For the money, I don't think there's a car out there for the same base price and potential. A close second would be the new WRX, but even then it's a few grand more, gets worse mpgs, has a questionable 5MT, and some possible issues with the ring lands. 1 year from now, hardly used 6MT V6 Stangs will be super cheap.

Yeah, I know, it's not a 5.0, but I'd image a v6 Stang could be the auto-x killer in it's class and could be quite the sleeper. Low 13s seems really easy to obtain which for me is plenty plenty fast for a dual purpose daily driver. I've had a souped V8 before. It was damn fun, but after a while, you realize there's only so often you can use it on the street without getting in major trouble.
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I priced out a base V6 Mustang online with the Performance package (GT Suspension and 3.31 gearing) 6MT and it was just over $24,000. That has to be the best bang for the buck out there!
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