Motorsports: History and Legacy Discussion Thread
#761
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QFT, modern F1 is very bloated staff wise. Also love these old stories retold again recently. One I found amusing is the attention to detail of getting the MP4/4 design with respect to the flowing "shoulders" of the monocoque bodywork to look good in the dialog and how the draftsman executed.
“Steven and I think along similar lines – literally, in some respects – in terms of what looks good and what doesn’t, the sense of proportion of things.
“The narrow nose came about because the drivers [in their seating position] went backwards in effect, relative to the front of the car.
“Steve was keen to have a sort of flowing shape, or two rather – the angle of the cam covers and the fuel tank, and the drivers shoulders, which sort of follow through in the body work at a sort pleasing sort of angle.
“Once that was drawn up, Colin Smith, a design draughtsman, would then meticulously create the bodywork, first producing a wooden buck – essentially a full-scale model – section by section.
“With a full-size car appearing before your eyes, you can see if it looks a bit weird or whatever – this is how we adjusted the nose.”
“The narrow nose came about because the drivers [in their seating position] went backwards in effect, relative to the front of the car.
“Steve was keen to have a sort of flowing shape, or two rather – the angle of the cam covers and the fuel tank, and the drivers shoulders, which sort of follow through in the body work at a sort pleasing sort of angle.
“Once that was drawn up, Colin Smith, a design draughtsman, would then meticulously create the bodywork, first producing a wooden buck – essentially a full-scale model – section by section.
“With a full-size car appearing before your eyes, you can see if it looks a bit weird or whatever – this is how we adjusted the nose.”
#762
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Craftsmanship and design on a human level. It's all somewhat lost now that we have CFD.
#763
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Senna miniseries coming to Netflix
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...c9fwGfG12.html
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...c9fwGfG12.html
A new Netflix miniseries on three-time Formula 1 world champion Ayrton Senna is coming – and ahead of its release, Netflix have announced who will take on the lead role in Senna.
The six-episode miniseries, produced with the blessing and participation of the Senna family, will chart the Brazilian racer’s rise from his early move to England to compete in Formula Ford all the way through to his tragic death at the 1994 San Marino Grand Prix.
Brazilian actor Gabriel Leone has been given the nod to portray Senna, saying of his selection: “It is a huge responsibility and also a great honour to be able to represent an icon who inspired so many people throughout his life, showing the world Brazilian sporting talent.
“Knowing that we will bring this story to millions of people in so many countries, through Netflix, inspires me to see this as one of the great roles of my career.”
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Speaking of Leone’s casting, Senna’s sister – and mother of former HRT, Lotus and Williams racer Bruno – Viviane added: “He has the ability to faithfully portray Ayrton's unique personality, especially the Ayrton that we as a family knew, off the track.”
The miniseries promises to delve not only into Senna’s on-track prowess – which saw him crowned world champion three times, in 1988, 1990 and 1991, a period which saw him embroiled in a high-profile rivalry with Alain Prost – but also his off-track life and personal relationships.
The project – originally announced back in 2020 – will be produced by Gullane, and co-directed by Brazilian filmmakers Vicente Amorim and Julia Rezende.
The six-episode miniseries, produced with the blessing and participation of the Senna family, will chart the Brazilian racer’s rise from his early move to England to compete in Formula Ford all the way through to his tragic death at the 1994 San Marino Grand Prix.
Brazilian actor Gabriel Leone has been given the nod to portray Senna, saying of his selection: “It is a huge responsibility and also a great honour to be able to represent an icon who inspired so many people throughout his life, showing the world Brazilian sporting talent.
“Knowing that we will bring this story to millions of people in so many countries, through Netflix, inspires me to see this as one of the great roles of my career.”
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Speaking of Leone’s casting, Senna’s sister – and mother of former HRT, Lotus and Williams racer Bruno – Viviane added: “He has the ability to faithfully portray Ayrton's unique personality, especially the Ayrton that we as a family knew, off the track.”
The miniseries promises to delve not only into Senna’s on-track prowess – which saw him crowned world champion three times, in 1988, 1990 and 1991, a period which saw him embroiled in a high-profile rivalry with Alain Prost – but also his off-track life and personal relationships.
The project – originally announced back in 2020 – will be produced by Gullane, and co-directed by Brazilian filmmakers Vicente Amorim and Julia Rezende.
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#764
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I wonder how they will do the racing bits. Actual footage, new filming, all CGI? Guess it depends on funding.
Bruno Senna has a strong resemblance to Ayrton. Not sure about his acting skills.
Bruno Senna has a strong resemblance to Ayrton. Not sure about his acting skills.
#765
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I'd hope for real, maybe touched up to modern quality historic footage, as much as they can.
Maybe get Bruno in the MP4 cars for the track bits: wish:
Maybe get Bruno in the MP4 cars for the track bits: wish:
#766
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The Most Incredible Indy 500 Engine Ever
Old tale but some new info in this video.
Didn't know it rev'ed to 10.5k, impressive for a pushrod two valve head.
Didn't know it rev'ed to 10.5k, impressive for a pushrod two valve head.
#767
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10 F1 drivers who left teams at the worst time
#768
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My Friend Bought A V10 F1 Car – As A Track TOY!!!
Really interesting the new owners has the design rights to this BAR F1 car, skip to 5:20 to see the BAR F1 car. Very informative and great closeup's of the many components on the car.
Too bad Honda got the original V10 back but at least Cosworth made them a purpose built V10 for this car.
Too bad Honda got the original V10 back but at least Cosworth made them a purpose built V10 for this car.
Last edited by Legend2TL; 05-07-2023 at 11:48 AM.
#769
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McLaren MP4/4 Engineer's Cut: The Ultimate Video Guide to F1's Greatest Car
#770
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Rick Mears on Losing His Desire to Race
#771
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Racing legend A.J. Foyt looks back on life and career
Quick 2 minute AP Wire video on AJ and his career, thought it was interesting that he initially wanted to stay in Texas to mourn the recent lost of his wife but then decided going to Indy would help work through his grief.
Some friends of mine met AJ on a rental car bus (his motor blew in the race and he was wanted to get back to Texas) at Detroit airport in the late 80's, spent maybe 15 minutes chatting with them and said he's quite a character, unfortunately they didn't get a photo with him but he signed each of their Michigan 500 tickets for them
Some friends of mine met AJ on a rental car bus (his motor blew in the race and he was wanted to get back to Texas) at Detroit airport in the late 80's, spent maybe 15 minutes chatting with them and said he's quite a character, unfortunately they didn't get a photo with him but he signed each of their Michigan 500 tickets for them
Last edited by Legend2TL; 05-25-2023 at 11:11 AM.
#772
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I forget which road it is, but one of the larger intersecting roads off US290 in NW Houston is AJ Foyt Pkwy. I think it's FM1488 but it doesn't pull up that way on Google Maps
#773
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https://carbuzz.com/news/watch-the-i...-rpm-f1-engine
Formula 1 fans have always adored V8, V10, and V12 engines mainly because of the sound - the biblical noise produced as these engines rev sky-high. But even among these high-revolution monsters, only a few have achieved more than 20,000 rpm. One example is the powertrain the Williams F1 team used during the 2006 season.
The YouTube channel 337 Speed posted a deep-dive into the Cosworth CA2006, the first F1 engine to reach 20,000 rpm. While modern hybrid V6 engines can easily do the same, they are capped at 15,000 rpm by regulations.
Cosworth's unit produced 755 horsepower at 19,250 rpm and 214 lb-ft of torque at 17,000 rpm. While the power output is impressive, the engine had a lot of reliability issues. Nico Rosberg and Mark Webber battled hard that season, but the best they could do was one fastest lap.
The highest-revving engine in a production car these days is also made by... Cosworth. It's the 3.9-liter V12 in the Gordon Murray T.50. It revs to 12,100 rpm and produces 701 hp in the Niki Lauda edition. Don't tell us ICE hasn't evolved in over 100 years...
During the 2006 F1 season, the technical regulations for V8 engines were a maximum displacement of 2.4 liters and a maximum bore of 3.85 inches, implying 1.57 inches of stroke at the maximum bore. With this in mind, pushing the engine up to 20,000 rpm was relatively easy for the engineers at Cosworth.
While increasing torque was difficult due to the limited displacement, enabling the engine to rev higher was the key to getting more power.
Titanium alloys were used to make the connecting rods, while forged 2618 aluminum was used for the pistons. This lightweight yet strong material allowed the pistons to run at higher rpm, eventually damaging other engine components.
One challenge in running a high-revving engine is valve float, which occurs when the valves don't close in optimum running conditions due to fast engine speeds. As a result, engines will have power loss. To combat the valve float, the Cosworth CA2006 used stiffer spring rate valve springs, lighter vales, and more aggressive crankshaft profiles.
The Cosworth engine came with very short intake runners, ideal for producing more power at higher revolutions. It was matched by a large plenum volume for the best air distribution per cylinder. Moreover, engineers developed the engine to produce exhaust velocity suited to higher revolutions, despite compromising low-end speeds.
Today, we don't get to see 20,000-rpm-revving engines anymore as F1 is favoring more sustainable powertrains in the form of a 1.6-liter turbocharged hybrid V6 engine. By 2026, new engine regulations will be implemented in a bid to make the sport greener.
The YouTube channel 337 Speed posted a deep-dive into the Cosworth CA2006, the first F1 engine to reach 20,000 rpm. While modern hybrid V6 engines can easily do the same, they are capped at 15,000 rpm by regulations.
Cosworth's unit produced 755 horsepower at 19,250 rpm and 214 lb-ft of torque at 17,000 rpm. While the power output is impressive, the engine had a lot of reliability issues. Nico Rosberg and Mark Webber battled hard that season, but the best they could do was one fastest lap.
The highest-revving engine in a production car these days is also made by... Cosworth. It's the 3.9-liter V12 in the Gordon Murray T.50. It revs to 12,100 rpm and produces 701 hp in the Niki Lauda edition. Don't tell us ICE hasn't evolved in over 100 years...
During the 2006 F1 season, the technical regulations for V8 engines were a maximum displacement of 2.4 liters and a maximum bore of 3.85 inches, implying 1.57 inches of stroke at the maximum bore. With this in mind, pushing the engine up to 20,000 rpm was relatively easy for the engineers at Cosworth.
While increasing torque was difficult due to the limited displacement, enabling the engine to rev higher was the key to getting more power.
Titanium alloys were used to make the connecting rods, while forged 2618 aluminum was used for the pistons. This lightweight yet strong material allowed the pistons to run at higher rpm, eventually damaging other engine components.
One challenge in running a high-revving engine is valve float, which occurs when the valves don't close in optimum running conditions due to fast engine speeds. As a result, engines will have power loss. To combat the valve float, the Cosworth CA2006 used stiffer spring rate valve springs, lighter vales, and more aggressive crankshaft profiles.
The Cosworth engine came with very short intake runners, ideal for producing more power at higher revolutions. It was matched by a large plenum volume for the best air distribution per cylinder. Moreover, engineers developed the engine to produce exhaust velocity suited to higher revolutions, despite compromising low-end speeds.
Today, we don't get to see 20,000-rpm-revving engines anymore as F1 is favoring more sustainable powertrains in the form of a 1.6-liter turbocharged hybrid V6 engine. By 2026, new engine regulations will be implemented in a bid to make the sport greener.
#774
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Nigell Mansell : FW14B
Nice to Mansell back in his Williams FW14B
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Red 5 FTW! Loved watch Il Leone race
#776
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Was that his original race suit? Probably not. Looks like he could barely move inside the cockpit. Would love to see the full documentary.
#777
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Loved that Leyton House.
#778
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Not sure if the crashed Leyton House is the one in this article. But someone spent 10 years restoring one example of this car, which was completed in 2022.
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/a...-house-f1-car/
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/a...-house-f1-car/
A painstaking ten-year journey has seen Swedish rocker Pär Lindstedt restore the Leyton House CG901B – legendary designer Adrian Newey's breakthrough F1 car
A painstaking ten-year journey has seen Swedish rocker Pär Lindstedt restore the Leyton House CG901B – legendary designer Adrian Newey's breakthrough F1 car
#779
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Not sure if this belongs in this thread or the 2023 F1 thread.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IkuXINkPeUA
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IkuXINkPeUA
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It's great to see true friendships in F1. I was in the Seneca Lodge in May sitting in the bar ALL the F1 drivers went to after the USGP. There's pics of them all sitting around smoking, drinking, laughing and enjoying each other's company. It's too bad that doesn't exist as much today.
#781
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Mario Illien: Powering F1 Champions | F1 Beyond The Grid Podcast
Mario Illien along with the late Paul Morgan founded Ilmore Engineering which eventually evolved into what is Mercedes AMG High Performance Powertrains today. Brilliant engineer/founder who along with Morgan once worked at Cosworth where they acquired their experience and background.
#782
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Neil Oatley: Designing World Championships With McLaren | F1 Beyond The Grid Podcast
Not a big technical star but Oakley was highly instrumental to McLaren's success in the 80's and late 90's. Oatley still works for McLaren today and has been in F1 for 40+ years.
I like his top-3 drivers he's worked with Senna, Prost, Mika.
I like his top-3 drivers he's worked with Senna, Prost, Mika.
Last edited by Legend2TL; 07-25-2023 at 10:46 AM.
#783
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Podcast: Patrick Head | Engineering the Greats s2
Sir Patrick Head, recent podcast
#784
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12 minutes, but a good look at how much the cars have grown over the years
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#785
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FLOP OR FATE? Opinions on David Coulthard's F1 Legacy
Good review of DC and his competitiveness. DC is still a very good F1 driver and used his cars well, still a #2 but knew his limits as well. 13 wins still shows his capability.
#786
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Back in the day, I labeled him a flop. Present day? Still a flop.
Some drivers just fill the "second driver" role, and Coulthard is one of them.
Some drivers just fill the "second driver" role, and Coulthard is one of them.
#787
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In terms of being a flop, DC (13) is #2 to Stirling Moss (16) as Driver with the most wins and no WDC. Pretty impressive company to be with, also add in DC was #3 in WDC four times and #2 once and it shows he was competitive but just not enough to make the top rung.
His greatest contribution to current racing is he convinced RBR/Horner to hire Adrian Newey which was a huge stretch at the time for both since it had been awhile since Newey had designed a great F1 car and RBR was just starting out.
Last edited by Legend2TL; 08-07-2023 at 03:42 PM.
#788
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Must admit that I haven't watched the video yet.
I always do my driver ratings also combining the relative quality of the cars. Coulthard was in a top car for most of his career. If he was in a mid-tier car, he might've been just another random driver.
I always do my driver ratings also combining the relative quality of the cars. Coulthard was in a top car for most of his career. If he was in a mid-tier car, he might've been just another random driver.
#789
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Closest F1 Finishes
#791
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WAS IT EVER WORTH THE HASSLE? A Look Back at Whether the Indycar Split was 'Worth It'
Good look back at The Split, so much chaos for absolutely nothing but reduced viewers and fans. Tony George is
Last edited by Legend2TL; 08-23-2023 at 11:54 AM.
#792
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"Was it worth it?" Is that a trick question?
#793
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MCLAREN'S FRAGILE ROCKETSHIP! The Story of the McLaren MP4-20 (2005)
Pretty good review of the highly competitive MP4-20 yet didn't win the WDC and WCC despite 10 wins
#794
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Amazing
#795
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YOU CAN'T ALWAYS BUY SUCCESS! The Story of Toyota in Formula One (2002-2009)
That's alot of money for nothing, cue Dire Straits song
#796
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20 years on, it’s time to reappraise McLaren’s never-raced MP4-18
I've read some of this before, but a pretty concise article on one of the very few Newey failures.
https://sports.yahoo.com/20-years-ti...182900730.html
https://sports.yahoo.com/20-years-ti...182900730.html
#797
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#798
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F1 world champion Nigel Mansell auctions off career memorabilia for over £2 million
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/...on/ar-AA1imGdY
In case you wanted a Mansell helmet or something else racing related. Not surrpised he lives in Florida now, his wife and kids were big fans of living there when he was in CART/Champ racing in the states.
In case you wanted a Mansell helmet or something else racing related. Not surrpised he lives in Florida now, his wife and kids were big fans of living there when he was in CART/Champ racing in the states.
#799
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Racing with Giants: Porsche at Le Mans - narrated by Patrick Dempsey
Some good current interviews and great vintage racing videos
#800
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F1'S FIRST FLAPPY PADDLE CAR! The Story of the Ferrari 640 (1989)
The backstory of the first F1 semi-automatic gearbox. John Barnard is a genius