Formula One: 2014 Season News and Discussion Thread
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Formula One: 2014 Season News and Discussion Thread
Figure it's time to start the 2014 F1 thread
2014 grid so far
http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/127283.html
2014 grid so far
http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/127283.html
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"TBC?" To Be Confirmed? Gonna be a whole lotta different goin' on next season
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Pretty sad that there are 7 TBC for 2014, money and not talent is not the priority for tier-3 F1 drivers.
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Hulkenberg confirmed back at Force India.
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at least he has a ride
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F1 2014: All aboard the 'power train' - new rules explained
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/25158104
2014 car car rules explained by Gary Anderson
maximum 100KG of fuel, ~35 gallons of fuel.
Economy racing like the mid-late 80's
2014 car car rules explained by Gary Anderson
maximum 100KG of fuel, ~35 gallons of fuel.
Economy racing like the mid-late 80's
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2014 Calendar Official
March 16 Australia
March 30 Malaysia
April 6 Bahrain
April 20 China
May 11 Spain
May 25 Monaco
June 8 Canada
June 22 Austria
July 6 Great Britain
July 20 Germany (Hockenheim)
July 27 Hungary
August 24 Belgium
September 7 Italy
September 21 Singapore
October 5 Japan
October 12 Russia
November 2 USA
November 9 Brazil
November 23 Abu Dhabi
No Grands Prix in India, Korea, or Weehawken.
March 30 Malaysia
April 6 Bahrain
April 20 China
May 11 Spain
May 25 Monaco
June 8 Canada
June 22 Austria
July 6 Great Britain
July 20 Germany (Hockenheim)
July 27 Hungary
August 24 Belgium
September 7 Italy
September 21 Singapore
October 5 Japan
October 12 Russia
November 2 USA
November 9 Brazil
November 23 Abu Dhabi
No Grands Prix in India, Korea, or Weehawken.
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http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/25158104
2014 car car rules explained by Gary Anderson
maximum 100KG of fuel, ~35 gallons of fuel.
Economy racing like the mid-late 80's
2014 car car rules explained by Gary Anderson
maximum 100KG of fuel, ~35 gallons of fuel.
Economy racing like the mid-late 80's
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2 mandatory stops is stupid but you won't be racing in a Prius-MBZ sources are leaking they are producing close to 840 bhp on their little 6 banger
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http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/25158104
2014 car car rules explained by Gary Anderson
maximum 100KG of fuel, ~35 gallons of fuel.
Economy racing like the mid-late 80's
2014 car car rules explained by Gary Anderson
maximum 100KG of fuel, ~35 gallons of fuel.
Economy racing like the mid-late 80's
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Formula 1 will award double points for its final round from the 2014 season in an effort to keep championship battles open longer.
The move was agreed by the F1 Strategy Group and the Formula One Commission at a meeting in Paris on Monday.
It will automatically become part of the regulations as the FIA World Motor Sport Council agreed last week to give the Strategy Group and Commission a mandate to agree rule changes on this occasion.
An FIA statement said that the change had been agreed "in order to maximise focus on the championship until the end of the campaign".
It applies to both the drivers' and constructors' championships, and means that the winner of the final grand prix next year will get 50 points, with 36 for second place and so on through the top 10.
Had that system been in place in recent years, it would have changed the outcome of both the 2012 and '08 title fights.
Sebastian Vettel and Lewis Hamilton won those crowns respectively by claiming sufficient minor points to stay ahead of rivals Fernando Alonso and Felipe Massa.
But under the new system, Alonso's second place at Interlagos last year would have given him enough points to leapfrog Vettel, while Massa's 2008 Brazilian GP victory would have denied Hamilton the championship on that occasion.
The move was agreed by the F1 Strategy Group and the Formula One Commission at a meeting in Paris on Monday.
It will automatically become part of the regulations as the FIA World Motor Sport Council agreed last week to give the Strategy Group and Commission a mandate to agree rule changes on this occasion.
An FIA statement said that the change had been agreed "in order to maximise focus on the championship until the end of the campaign".
It applies to both the drivers' and constructors' championships, and means that the winner of the final grand prix next year will get 50 points, with 36 for second place and so on through the top 10.
Had that system been in place in recent years, it would have changed the outcome of both the 2012 and '08 title fights.
Sebastian Vettel and Lewis Hamilton won those crowns respectively by claiming sufficient minor points to stay ahead of rivals Fernando Alonso and Felipe Massa.
But under the new system, Alonso's second place at Interlagos last year would have given him enough points to leapfrog Vettel, while Massa's 2008 Brazilian GP victory would have denied Hamilton the championship on that occasion.
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^ +1 what the f*** is Jean Todt thinking?
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Wow that's stupid. Its also a slap in the face for Vettel basically.
I swear the FIA is going to ruin F1, just when it was starting to gain some interest again in America.
I swear the FIA is going to ruin F1, just when it was starting to gain some interest again in America.
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Of course the opposite could happen: if double points are awarded and no one is mathematically close enough to catch #1 (like Vettel this year) then maybe people WON'T watch the last race because it will be a case of WTF? 3 of the last 2 decades of championships would've been won differently Raikkonen over Schu, Massa over Hamilton and Alonso over Vettel. I sure as shit don't want to see the WC determined in Abu Dhabi, the place is soulless, it should be at a place like Spa, Monza, Suzuka or Interlagos.
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THE NEW ENGINE: http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/25158104
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THE NEW ENGINE: http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/25158104
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Also drivers will pick a car number to use for the duration of their career.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/25310466
I liked the old school car number system where the new driver champion teram got 1/2 and the outgoing champion got the new champion's old number. I.E. in 1980, Williams had 27/28 and they won the WDC so Ferrari got 27/28 and Williams got 1/2 for 1981. That way most teams kept their numbers.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/25310466
I liked the old school car number system where the new driver champion teram got 1/2 and the outgoing champion got the new champion's old number. I.E. in 1980, Williams had 27/28 and they won the WDC so Ferrari got 27/28 and Williams got 1/2 for 1981. That way most teams kept their numbers.
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Also drivers will pick a car number to use for the duration of their career.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/25310466
I liked the old school car number system where the new driver champion teram got 1/2 and the outgoing champion got the new champion's old number. I.E. in 1980, Williams had 27/28 and they won the WDC so Ferrari got 27/28 and Williams got 1/2 for 1981. That way most teams kept their numbers.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/25310466
I liked the old school car number system where the new driver champion teram got 1/2 and the outgoing champion got the new champion's old number. I.E. in 1980, Williams had 27/28 and they won the WDC so Ferrari got 27/28 and Williams got 1/2 for 1981. That way most teams kept their numbers.
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I don't see the appeal of numbers staying with the drivers. There are only 22 cars on the grid. It's not like NASCAB, where there are maybe 40 cars on the grid. In F1, numbers are only useful in timing and scoring. I'd rather people say "Senna makes a daring pass on Prost going into turn one" than "Car 2 makes a daring pass on Car 3 going into turn one."
But that said I still prefer the current F1 number system of WDC for 1/2 then the order of the WCC after that.
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Who pays attention to car numbers in F1??? In recent years, can barely even read/see their numbers! I've only noticed Vettel'sand Weber's. Couldn't tell you Alonso's, Hamilton's, or anyone else for that matter. Haha... and I do watch every race of the year.
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"Red 5" and "27" are numbers that stick in my head (Mansell and G. Villeneueve). I think perm-numbers are cool. Glad they vetoed the mandatory pit stop and heavier car rule changes. Here's a good analysis of how the double points finale can screw up a season looking back:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111810
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111810
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F1's reigning champions Sebastian Vettel and Red Bull have broken ranks and slammed the new 'double points' finale.
Germany's Sport Bild reports that Red Bull voted against the highly controversial change agreed in the strategy group and F1 Commission meeting on Monday, which is being introduced after Vettel utterly dominated the 2013 season.
Next year, while the winner of classics like Monaco and Monza will collect just 25 points, victory in the Abu Dhabi finale will attract 50 points, with the FIA explaining that the move is to "maximise focus on the championship until the end of the campaign".
German Vettel slammed the new rule.
"Imagine there is suddenly double points in the last Bundesliga match," he told Sport Bild.
"This is nonsense, and punishes those who have worked hard for the rest of the season.
"I like the old traditions of formula one and don't understand this new rule," added Vettel.
Sport Bild reports that, while also against the wishes of Abu Dhabi's rival race promoters, the rule was pushed through by Bernie Ecclestone and Jean Todt, and teams including Ferrari and Mercedes.
"We were against it," confirmed Red Bull's Dr Helmut Marko, "but our team boss Christian Horner was overruled.
"At first the double points was planned for the last four races, but that would have made the rest of the world championship almost meaningless," he added.
Germany's Sport Bild reports that Red Bull voted against the highly controversial change agreed in the strategy group and F1 Commission meeting on Monday, which is being introduced after Vettel utterly dominated the 2013 season.
Next year, while the winner of classics like Monaco and Monza will collect just 25 points, victory in the Abu Dhabi finale will attract 50 points, with the FIA explaining that the move is to "maximise focus on the championship until the end of the campaign".
German Vettel slammed the new rule.
"Imagine there is suddenly double points in the last Bundesliga match," he told Sport Bild.
"This is nonsense, and punishes those who have worked hard for the rest of the season.
"I like the old traditions of formula one and don't understand this new rule," added Vettel.
Sport Bild reports that, while also against the wishes of Abu Dhabi's rival race promoters, the rule was pushed through by Bernie Ecclestone and Jean Todt, and teams including Ferrari and Mercedes.
"We were against it," confirmed Red Bull's Dr Helmut Marko, "but our team boss Christian Horner was overruled.
"At first the double points was planned for the last four races, but that would have made the rest of the world championship almost meaningless," he added.
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"Red 5" and "27" are numbers that stick in my head (Mansell and G. Villeneueve). I think perm-numbers are cool. Glad they vetoed the mandatory pit stop and heavier car rule changes. Here's a good analysis of how the double points finale can screw up a season looking back:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111810
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111810
The history of car numbers
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111821
Schumacher with 120 races as #1
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So, in the case of 1989 when Prost won the WC in a McLaren and then took his #1 to Ferrari in 1990 to drive the 191, would that make under the current rule, his team mate's number non-consecutive? I think it would.
One of Catherham's drivers should pick #2 since they are anyway
One of Catherham's drivers should pick #2 since they are anyway
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Nice. Lotus has a sense of humor.
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F1 is seeking a twelfth team.
With the Spanish stragglers HRT having pulled out at the end of the 2012 season, the FIA on Thursday launched a "selection process" to find a new team "to participate at a competitive level" in time for 2015 or 2016.
In a media statement, the FIA said expressions of interest will close on 3 January. An accompanying document said the full application fee will be $130,000.
"The overall long-term interests of the championship will determine which candidates are selected," it added.
The FIA said it will consider the applicants' "technical ability and resources", and the ability "to raise and maintain sufficient funding".
"A decision (will be made) on 28 February 2014," the FIA added in its document entitled 'call for expressions of interest'.
"In the event that no applicant is considered suitable by both the FIA and the commercial rights holder, no additional team will be selected," the letter read.
With the Spanish stragglers HRT having pulled out at the end of the 2012 season, the FIA on Thursday launched a "selection process" to find a new team "to participate at a competitive level" in time for 2015 or 2016.
In a media statement, the FIA said expressions of interest will close on 3 January. An accompanying document said the full application fee will be $130,000.
"The overall long-term interests of the championship will determine which candidates are selected," it added.
The FIA said it will consider the applicants' "technical ability and resources", and the ability "to raise and maintain sufficient funding".
"A decision (will be made) on 28 February 2014," the FIA added in its document entitled 'call for expressions of interest'.
"In the event that no applicant is considered suitable by both the FIA and the commercial rights holder, no additional team will be selected," the letter read.
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Perez to Force India. di Resta out.
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So, in the case of 1989 when Prost won the WC in a McLaren and then took his #1 to Ferrari in 1990 to drive the 191, would that make under the current rule, his team mate's number non-consecutive? I think it would.
One of Catherham's drivers should pick #2 since they are anyway
One of Catherham's drivers should pick #2 since they are anyway
Now if the WDC was not active the following year which has happened couple times, then 0/2 is used. Damon Hill got "0" in 1993 and 1994, neither Prost or Senna wanted "0" on their cars .
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2013 ESPN F1 review
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I found the poll for 2014 quite amusing. Currently, just under 50% of the poll says the most likely scenario out of the five options is Raikkonen would beat Alonso. I think it's more likely McLaren wouldn't have a win.
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Luca di Montezemolo, one of the most powerful figures in formula one, thinks the highly-controversial new 'double points' rule might live a short life.
Reaction to the plan for double points in Abu Dhabi next year, to keep the championship alive throughout the season, has been generally negative.
And Montezemolo, the Ferrari president with an unique veto over key F1 decisions, warned: "I'm not a fan of the double points.
"It's too artificial," he is quoted by Germany's Sport Bild. "I would not be surprised if the rule is soon abolished."
In a wide-ranging and fascinating interview, Montezemolo also tipped Fernando Alonso to live out his full Ferrari contract, despite McLaren's obvious interest.
McLaren supremo Ron Dennis this week insisted "never say never" when contemplating bringing the Spaniard back to Woking.
But Montezemolo said: "I will not argue with my friend Ron, although it would be good for the press -- Fernando has a contract until 2016.
"My only concern is giving him a better car."
However, he did have to "tweak" the ear of the obviously frustrated Alonso this year. Montezemolo urged the 32-year-old to take a leaf out of Michael Schumacher's book.
"It is important that you not only win together, but also lose together," he said.
"Michael knew how to do that between 1996 and 1999. Fernando knows that he drives not for himself, but for Ferrari, even if I can understand his frustration at times."
Some believe it was Alonso's attitude in 2013 that triggered the decision - against the Spaniard's wishes - to sign world champion Kimi Raikkonen to be his new teammate.
But, fascinatingly, Montezemolo suggested the Finn is in fact the number 2.
"He knows that he is in the second half of his career," he said, referring to Raikkonen.
"But he is especially strong in the race, and is able to take points from Fernando's opponents."
For the moment, then, Montezemolo ruled out making a move to sign F1's driver of the moment.
"Sebastian Vettel is very fast, focused, wants to win," he said. "I like his attitude: no manager, no politics.
"But although I have a lot of problems, a number 1 driver is not among them. In two years time we can talk about it again," the Italian added.
Finally, Montezemolo revealed that he has been approached by an American group, keen to acquire a Ferrari 'customer car' and race in formula one.
At present, the rules would not allow it.
"It's true," Montezemolo said. "We were contacted, and if the rules allowed it, we would like to sell them a car.
"It is extremely difficult for a new team to build a competitive car out of nowhere, so I would like to help."
Reaction to the plan for double points in Abu Dhabi next year, to keep the championship alive throughout the season, has been generally negative.
And Montezemolo, the Ferrari president with an unique veto over key F1 decisions, warned: "I'm not a fan of the double points.
"It's too artificial," he is quoted by Germany's Sport Bild. "I would not be surprised if the rule is soon abolished."
In a wide-ranging and fascinating interview, Montezemolo also tipped Fernando Alonso to live out his full Ferrari contract, despite McLaren's obvious interest.
McLaren supremo Ron Dennis this week insisted "never say never" when contemplating bringing the Spaniard back to Woking.
But Montezemolo said: "I will not argue with my friend Ron, although it would be good for the press -- Fernando has a contract until 2016.
"My only concern is giving him a better car."
However, he did have to "tweak" the ear of the obviously frustrated Alonso this year. Montezemolo urged the 32-year-old to take a leaf out of Michael Schumacher's book.
"It is important that you not only win together, but also lose together," he said.
"Michael knew how to do that between 1996 and 1999. Fernando knows that he drives not for himself, but for Ferrari, even if I can understand his frustration at times."
Some believe it was Alonso's attitude in 2013 that triggered the decision - against the Spaniard's wishes - to sign world champion Kimi Raikkonen to be his new teammate.
But, fascinatingly, Montezemolo suggested the Finn is in fact the number 2.
"He knows that he is in the second half of his career," he said, referring to Raikkonen.
"But he is especially strong in the race, and is able to take points from Fernando's opponents."
For the moment, then, Montezemolo ruled out making a move to sign F1's driver of the moment.
"Sebastian Vettel is very fast, focused, wants to win," he said. "I like his attitude: no manager, no politics.
"But although I have a lot of problems, a number 1 driver is not among them. In two years time we can talk about it again," the Italian added.
Finally, Montezemolo revealed that he has been approached by an American group, keen to acquire a Ferrari 'customer car' and race in formula one.
At present, the rules would not allow it.
"It's true," Montezemolo said. "We were contacted, and if the rules allowed it, we would like to sell them a car.
"It is extremely difficult for a new team to build a competitive car out of nowhere, so I would like to help."
It's interesting that Montezemolo says that Kimi is the second driver, because I don't think Kimi knows that. I can't wait for the radio messages next year when Ferrari asks Kimi to move over for Alonso.
Ferrari: "Kimi, spostare finita per Alonso adesso."
Kimi: "Don't bother me, I don't speak Italiano."
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Looks like it'll be another Button/Hamilton/McLaren and Vettel/Webber/RedBull fiasco in the Ferrari team next season.