Formula One: 2012 Season News and Discussion Thread **GP Brazil (page 16)**
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Alonso the cyclist
So a few days ago, he competes in a time trial coming in 3rd on a 21 kilometer course in just under 29 minutes. That's an average of approx. 26 mph (not easy). Anyone who sez F1 drivers aren't athletes are full of shit.
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The F1 app is pretty intense. It's not just times but it's news; splits; tire usage; weather; downloadable replays of the sessions/race; and a live track map feature that shows where every car on the track is in real-time. It's a bit o' cash but I'll definitely buy it again next year. It takes viewing to a whole new level.
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wonder if theres another way to obtain this app
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I doubt it knowing how the FIA runs things.
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I don't get who is shortsighted?
It's 's money, and having seen the app in person, it is pretty sweet. Not saying I would pay for it (how much is it?), but I get why one would want it.
App developer - they can change the price/make it free depending how things are going I would imagine. They know some ppl will buy it, even if it is expensive. If they are not making enough, cut the costs. Maybe they cant because of a deal with F1 to make the app? I dunno,...
Some of that stuff is available for free on the F1 site if you have an account (I do). I cant say I am surprised though, this is F1 = pay through the nose.
It's 's money, and having seen the app in person, it is pretty sweet. Not saying I would pay for it (how much is it?), but I get why one would want it.
App developer - they can change the price/make it free depending how things are going I would imagine. They know some ppl will buy it, even if it is expensive. If they are not making enough, cut the costs. Maybe they cant because of a deal with F1 to make the app? I dunno,...
Some of that stuff is available for free on the F1 site if you have an account (I do). I cant say I am surprised though, this is F1 = pay through the nose.
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for sure-I can get the same info from looking at F1.com, all top.com, planetf1.com and on; however, I cannot get it simultaneously on one site. That to me is worth the 30 bucks for an app.
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Obviously I meant it is short sighted on F1's part. With all the competition that F1 has, this app should be free. Other sports have free apps that let you track live stats and such.
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Germany FP1:
POS DRIVER NATIONALITY ENTRANT TIME
1. Jenson Button Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1:16.595
2. Lewis Hamilton Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1:17.093
3. Fernando Alonso Spain Ferrari 1:17.370
4. Michael Schumacher Germany Mercedes GP 1:17.382
5. Sergio Perez Mexico Sauber-Ferrari 1:17.413
6. Nico Hulkenberg Germany Force India-Mercedes 1:17.599
7. Nico Rosberg Germany Mercedes GP 1:17.915
8. Felipe Massa Brazil Ferrari 1:17.995
9. Pastor Maldonado Venezuela Williams-Renault 1:18.020
10. Romain Grosjean France Lotus-Renault 1:18.130
11. Kamui Kobayashi Japan Sauber-Ferrari 1:18.226
12. Sebastian Vettel Germany Red Bull-Renault 1:18.339
13. Valtteri Bottas Finland Williams-Renault 1:18.422
14. Daniel Ricciardo Australia Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:18.709
15. Kimi Raikkonen Finland Lotus-Renault 1:18.831
16. Jules Bianchi France Force India-Mercedes 1:18.972
17. Jean-Eric Vergne France Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:19.039
18. Vitaly Petrov Russia Caterham-Renault 1:19.674
19. Heikki Kovalainen Finland Caterham-Renault 1:19.963
20. Mark Webber Australia Red Bull-Renault 1:20.122
21. Charles Pic France Marussia-Cosworth 1:20.169
22. Timo Glock Germany Marussia-Cosworth 1:20.539
23. Pedro de la Rosa Spain HRT-Cosworth 1:21.138
24. Daniel Clos Spain HRT-Cosworth 1:21.740
POS DRIVER NATIONALITY ENTRANT TIME
1. Jenson Button Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1:16.595
2. Lewis Hamilton Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1:17.093
3. Fernando Alonso Spain Ferrari 1:17.370
4. Michael Schumacher Germany Mercedes GP 1:17.382
5. Sergio Perez Mexico Sauber-Ferrari 1:17.413
6. Nico Hulkenberg Germany Force India-Mercedes 1:17.599
7. Nico Rosberg Germany Mercedes GP 1:17.915
8. Felipe Massa Brazil Ferrari 1:17.995
9. Pastor Maldonado Venezuela Williams-Renault 1:18.020
10. Romain Grosjean France Lotus-Renault 1:18.130
11. Kamui Kobayashi Japan Sauber-Ferrari 1:18.226
12. Sebastian Vettel Germany Red Bull-Renault 1:18.339
13. Valtteri Bottas Finland Williams-Renault 1:18.422
14. Daniel Ricciardo Australia Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:18.709
15. Kimi Raikkonen Finland Lotus-Renault 1:18.831
16. Jules Bianchi France Force India-Mercedes 1:18.972
17. Jean-Eric Vergne France Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:19.039
18. Vitaly Petrov Russia Caterham-Renault 1:19.674
19. Heikki Kovalainen Finland Caterham-Renault 1:19.963
20. Mark Webber Australia Red Bull-Renault 1:20.122
21. Charles Pic France Marussia-Cosworth 1:20.169
22. Timo Glock Germany Marussia-Cosworth 1:20.539
23. Pedro de la Rosa Spain HRT-Cosworth 1:21.138
24. Daniel Clos Spain HRT-Cosworth 1:21.740
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Germany FP2:
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m27.476 14
2. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m27.564s + 0.088 24
3. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m27.902s + 0.426 24
4. Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1m28.402s + 0.926 26
5. Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1m28.420s + 0.944 20
6. Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1m28.495s + 1.019 22
7. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m28.513s + 1.037 23
8. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m28.516s + 1.040 16
9. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m28.877s + 1.401 21
10. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus-Renault 1m29.327s + 1.851 22
11. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m29.364s + 1.888 26
12. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m29.719s + 2.243 15
13. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1m29.785s + 2.309 24
14. Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 1m30.090s + 2.614 19
15. Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 1m30.220s + 2.744 16
16. Bruno Senna Williams-Renault 1m30.291s + 2.815 22
17. Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 1m30.331s + 2.855 26
18. Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1m30.437s + 2.961 14
19. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1m30.617s + 3.141 16
20. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m31.207s + 3.731 20
21. Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 1m32.241s + 4.765 22
22. Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1m32.349s + 4.873 17
23. Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1m32.777s + 5.301 18
24. Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1m42.566s + 15.090 8
Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m27.476 14
2. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m27.564s + 0.088 24
3. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m27.902s + 0.426 24
4. Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1m28.402s + 0.926 26
5. Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1m28.420s + 0.944 20
6. Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1m28.495s + 1.019 22
7. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m28.513s + 1.037 23
8. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m28.516s + 1.040 16
9. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m28.877s + 1.401 21
10. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus-Renault 1m29.327s + 1.851 22
11. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m29.364s + 1.888 26
12. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m29.719s + 2.243 15
13. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1m29.785s + 2.309 24
14. Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 1m30.090s + 2.614 19
15. Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 1m30.220s + 2.744 16
16. Bruno Senna Williams-Renault 1m30.291s + 2.815 22
17. Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 1m30.331s + 2.855 26
18. Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1m30.437s + 2.961 14
19. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1m30.617s + 3.141 16
20. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m31.207s + 3.731 20
21. Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 1m32.241s + 4.765 22
22. Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1m32.349s + 4.873 17
23. Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1m32.777s + 5.301 18
24. Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1m42.566s + 15.090 8
#331
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hamilton keeps making fb/instagram posts, dude needs to concentrate for the race coming up!!
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Red Bull under investigation for illegal engine mapping
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German GP: Red Bull cleared of illegal engine mapping
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Spoiler!!
man what a race!!
Since we all watched on fox we dont know since they dont show the post race, but Vettel got penalized, and button went up to second!
Damn Button should have taken Alonso, when he was within a second!
Since we all watched on fox we dont know since they dont show the post race, but Vettel got penalized, and button went up to second!
Damn Button should have taken Alonso, when he was within a second!
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Looks like the big teams have have somewhat sorted out the tire situation. I'd imagine it would be harder for the second tier teams to get a surprise win in the second half of the season now.
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I was thinking precisely the same thing watching the race F-C. It seems the teams have sorted it out and now the cars' strengths (or lack thereof) are giving the season some predictability.
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Predictability as in Ferrari/RedBull/Mclaren are the top?
We already knew that. After the whole race they were so close to each other.
I dont think you can predict who's coming out to win more poles just yet. Alonso while racing amazingly has had some luck on his side too.
Speaking of luck Hamilton can really use some
We already knew that. After the whole race they were so close to each other.
I dont think you can predict who's coming out to win more poles just yet. Alonso while racing amazingly has had some luck on his side too.
Speaking of luck Hamilton can really use some
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Predictability as in Ferrari/RedBull/Mclaren are the top?
We already knew that. After the whole race they were so close to each other.
I dont think you can predict who's coming out to win more poles just yet. Alonso while racing amazingly has had some luck on his side too.
Speaking of luck Hamilton can really use some
We already knew that. After the whole race they were so close to each other.
I dont think you can predict who's coming out to win more poles just yet. Alonso while racing amazingly has had some luck on his side too.
Speaking of luck Hamilton can really use some
Vettel has also been very unlucky this year. He absolutely should have won at Valencia. Alonso's has been very fortunate all year.
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I don't get why Lotus can't get P1. The car regularly flies on the track but seems to be short on pace at critical stages, esp. w/ Grosjean driving.
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Red Bull Racing is set to be forced to make changes to the engine mapping of its cars for this weekend's Hungarian Grand Prix, AUTOSPORT has learned, with the FIA poised to issue a clarification in the next 48 hours on the matter.
Following the controversy at Hockenheim on Sunday, when Red Bull Racing was referred to the stewards to explain why its cars were operating with engine maps that had reduced torque in the mid rpm range, motor racing's governing body is now close to acting.
AUTOSPORT understands that the FIA is planning to issue an official clarification on the matter before action gets underway in Budapest on Friday.
This document is almost certain to make it clear that what Red Bull Racing was doing in Germany will no longer be deemed acceptable.
Sources suggest that the FIA will lay down specific limits on the variations of torque that can be used throughout the rev range - with Red Bull Racing believed to have been using much less than the maximum available torque in the middle rev range.
It is understood that the new limit could allow as little tolerance in torque as two per cent, which is believed to be well inside the variation shown on the engine map used by Red Bull Racing at the German GP.
By having a greater variation in its engine mapping, Red Bull Racing was able to both minimise wheelspin and also pump more gases through its engines, therefore helping the aerodynamic benefits that the outfit still gets through the use of exhaust flow at the rear of the car.
Although Formula 1 technical delegate Jo Bauer believed that Red Bull Racing's engine maps were in breach of the regulations in Germany, the race stewards did not agree - even though they also did not accept the team's explanations of what was happening.
Red Bull Racing team principal Christian Horner was keen to play down the matter at Hockenheim, suggesting that he never had any doubt his team was in compliance with the regulations.
"Unfortunately, when you have a quick car, it's inevitable that questions are asked," he said. "F1 is a competitive business.
"The rules are pretty black and white and having looked at the evidence, the data, they [the stewards] were fully satisfied. That's the nature of Formula 1 at the end of the day. Of course, you are always going to get other teams that are going to speculate."
Even if the FIA rule clarification does mean Red Bull Racing has to make changes to its engine maps, it should be a fairly simply matter for the team to revert to settings that it used without problem earlier in the campaign.
Following the controversy at Hockenheim on Sunday, when Red Bull Racing was referred to the stewards to explain why its cars were operating with engine maps that had reduced torque in the mid rpm range, motor racing's governing body is now close to acting.
AUTOSPORT understands that the FIA is planning to issue an official clarification on the matter before action gets underway in Budapest on Friday.
This document is almost certain to make it clear that what Red Bull Racing was doing in Germany will no longer be deemed acceptable.
Sources suggest that the FIA will lay down specific limits on the variations of torque that can be used throughout the rev range - with Red Bull Racing believed to have been using much less than the maximum available torque in the middle rev range.
It is understood that the new limit could allow as little tolerance in torque as two per cent, which is believed to be well inside the variation shown on the engine map used by Red Bull Racing at the German GP.
By having a greater variation in its engine mapping, Red Bull Racing was able to both minimise wheelspin and also pump more gases through its engines, therefore helping the aerodynamic benefits that the outfit still gets through the use of exhaust flow at the rear of the car.
Although Formula 1 technical delegate Jo Bauer believed that Red Bull Racing's engine maps were in breach of the regulations in Germany, the race stewards did not agree - even though they also did not accept the team's explanations of what was happening.
Red Bull Racing team principal Christian Horner was keen to play down the matter at Hockenheim, suggesting that he never had any doubt his team was in compliance with the regulations.
"Unfortunately, when you have a quick car, it's inevitable that questions are asked," he said. "F1 is a competitive business.
"The rules are pretty black and white and having looked at the evidence, the data, they [the stewards] were fully satisfied. That's the nature of Formula 1 at the end of the day. Of course, you are always going to get other teams that are going to speculate."
Even if the FIA rule clarification does mean Red Bull Racing has to make changes to its engine maps, it should be a fairly simply matter for the team to revert to settings that it used without problem earlier in the campaign.
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pretty friggin' clever. Kind of makes you wonder why RBR were 1.5 secs/lap faster than everyone in Valencia; 2 weeks later in Silverstone they were about equal; and in Germany, they were not the fastest car. Maybe they weren't getting their map settings proper race to race.
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pretty friggin' clever. Kind of makes you wonder why RBR were 1.5 secs/lap faster than everyone in Valencia; 2 weeks later in Silverstone they were about equal; and in Germany, they were not the fastest car. Maybe they weren't getting their map settings proper race to race.
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Very cool.
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i'm confused, dont all teams make their own engine maps?
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I'm confused too speed as I thought McLaren made all the ECU's for the entire grid and were incapable of being adjusted so to answer your question: I have no idea but suspect the engine manufacturers do make their own maps.
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From that article:
Engine maps are one of the dark arts of F1. Teams have various maps, controlled from the steering wheel by the driver; settings for fuel saving in the race, for example, for overtaking, or for setting the engine at the pit lane speed limit.
Sounds like they realized they could do this with what they're able to control
Engine maps are one of the dark arts of F1. Teams have various maps, controlled from the steering wheel by the driver; settings for fuel saving in the race, for example, for overtaking, or for setting the engine at the pit lane speed limit.
Sounds like they realized they could do this with what they're able to control
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thanks chief.
Sounds like traction control in a way. Just inhibiting wheel spin before it happens by doing that or making it harder to induce wheel spin.
Agree with it not being allowed.
How did they even find out about this?
Sounds like traction control in a way. Just inhibiting wheel spin before it happens by doing that or making it harder to induce wheel spin.
Agree with it not being allowed.
How did they even find out about this?
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I guess it was a suspicion of Jo Bauer's which was confirmed by comparing the torque charts from Valencia, Silverstone and Hockenheim.
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Hungary FP1:
POS DRIVER NATIONALITY ENTRANT TIME
1. Lewis Hamilton Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1:22.821
2. Jenson Button Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1:22.922
3. Fernando Alonso Spain Ferrari 1:23.397
4. Nico Rosberg Germany Mercedes GP 1:23.628
5. Romain Grosjean France Lotus-Renault 1:23.633
6. Michael Schumacher Germany Mercedes GP 1:23.845
7. Felipe Massa Brazil Ferrari 1:23.904
8. Kimi Raikkonen Finland Lotus-Renault 1:23.983
9. Valtteri Bottas Finland Williams-Renault 1:24.152
10. Sergio Perez Mexico Sauber-Ferrari 1:24.268
11. Pastor Maldonado Venezuela Williams-Renault 1:24.300
12. Kamui Kobayashi Japan Sauber-Ferrari 1:24.394
13. Mark Webber Australia Red Bull-Renault 1:24.546
14. Paul di Resta Britain Force India-Mercedes 1:24.559
15. Sebastian Vettel Germany Red Bull-Renault 1:24.608
16. Daniel Ricciardo Australia Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:25.354
17. Jean-Eric Vergne France Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:25.559
18. Jules Bianchi France Force India-Mercedes 1:25.715
19. Vitaly Petrov Russia Caterham-Renault 1:26.440
20. Charles Pic France Marussia-Cosworth 1:26.705
21. Heikki Kovalainen Finland Caterham-Renault 1:26.755
22. Timo Glock Germany Marussia-Cosworth 1:27.015
23. Pedro de la Rosa Spain HRT-Cosworth 1:27.101
24. Daniel Clos Spain HRT-Cosworth 1:28.176
POS DRIVER NATIONALITY ENTRANT TIME
1. Lewis Hamilton Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1:22.821
2. Jenson Button Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1:22.922
3. Fernando Alonso Spain Ferrari 1:23.397
4. Nico Rosberg Germany Mercedes GP 1:23.628
5. Romain Grosjean France Lotus-Renault 1:23.633
6. Michael Schumacher Germany Mercedes GP 1:23.845
7. Felipe Massa Brazil Ferrari 1:23.904
8. Kimi Raikkonen Finland Lotus-Renault 1:23.983
9. Valtteri Bottas Finland Williams-Renault 1:24.152
10. Sergio Perez Mexico Sauber-Ferrari 1:24.268
11. Pastor Maldonado Venezuela Williams-Renault 1:24.300
12. Kamui Kobayashi Japan Sauber-Ferrari 1:24.394
13. Mark Webber Australia Red Bull-Renault 1:24.546
14. Paul di Resta Britain Force India-Mercedes 1:24.559
15. Sebastian Vettel Germany Red Bull-Renault 1:24.608
16. Daniel Ricciardo Australia Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:25.354
17. Jean-Eric Vergne France Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:25.559
18. Jules Bianchi France Force India-Mercedes 1:25.715
19. Vitaly Petrov Russia Caterham-Renault 1:26.440
20. Charles Pic France Marussia-Cosworth 1:26.705
21. Heikki Kovalainen Finland Caterham-Renault 1:26.755
22. Timo Glock Germany Marussia-Cosworth 1:27.015
23. Pedro de la Rosa Spain HRT-Cosworth 1:27.101
24. Daniel Clos Spain HRT-Cosworth 1:28.176
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Hungary FP2:
1. Lewis Hamilton Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1:21.995
2. Kimi Raikkonen Finland Lotus-Renault 1:22.180
3. Bruno Senna Brazil Williams-Renault 1:22.253
4. Felipe Massa Brazil Ferrari 1:22.417
5. Fernando Alonso Spain Ferrari 1:22.582
6. Jenson Button Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1:22.747
7. Paul di Resta Britain Force India-Mercedes 1:22.794
8. Sebastian Vettel Germany Red Bull-Renault 1:22.824
9. Romain Grosjean France Lotus-Renault 1:22.922
10. Michael Schumacher Germany Mercedes GP 1:23.160
11. Nico Rosberg Germany Mercedes GP 1:23.164
12. Pastor Maldonado Venezuela Williams-Renault 1:23.337
13. Nico Hulkenberg Germany Force India-Mercedes 1:23.713
14. Mark Webber Australia Red Bull-Renault 1:23.814
15. Kamui Kobayashi Japan Sauber-Ferrari 1:23.841
16. Jean-Eric Vergne France Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:24.328
17. Daniel Ricciardo Australia Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:24.345
18. Sergio Perez Mexico Sauber-Ferrari 1:24.623
19. Vitaly Petrov Russia Caterham-Renault 1:24.823
20. Heikki Kovalainen Finland Caterham-Renault 1:25.220
21. Timo Glock Germany Marussia-Cosworth 1:27.104
22. Pedro de la Rosa Spain HRT-Cosworth 1:27.106
23. Charles Pic France Marussia-Cosworth 1:27.185
24. Narain Karthikeyan India HRT-Cosworth 1:27.822
1. Lewis Hamilton Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1:21.995
2. Kimi Raikkonen Finland Lotus-Renault 1:22.180
3. Bruno Senna Brazil Williams-Renault 1:22.253
4. Felipe Massa Brazil Ferrari 1:22.417
5. Fernando Alonso Spain Ferrari 1:22.582
6. Jenson Button Britain McLaren-Mercedes 1:22.747
7. Paul di Resta Britain Force India-Mercedes 1:22.794
8. Sebastian Vettel Germany Red Bull-Renault 1:22.824
9. Romain Grosjean France Lotus-Renault 1:22.922
10. Michael Schumacher Germany Mercedes GP 1:23.160
11. Nico Rosberg Germany Mercedes GP 1:23.164
12. Pastor Maldonado Venezuela Williams-Renault 1:23.337
13. Nico Hulkenberg Germany Force India-Mercedes 1:23.713
14. Mark Webber Australia Red Bull-Renault 1:23.814
15. Kamui Kobayashi Japan Sauber-Ferrari 1:23.841
16. Jean-Eric Vergne France Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:24.328
17. Daniel Ricciardo Australia Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:24.345
18. Sergio Perez Mexico Sauber-Ferrari 1:24.623
19. Vitaly Petrov Russia Caterham-Renault 1:24.823
20. Heikki Kovalainen Finland Caterham-Renault 1:25.220
21. Timo Glock Germany Marussia-Cosworth 1:27.104
22. Pedro de la Rosa Spain HRT-Cosworth 1:27.106
23. Charles Pic France Marussia-Cosworth 1:27.185
24. Narain Karthikeyan India HRT-Cosworth 1:27.822
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Mclaren's updates last race seem to be doing good for the car.
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Vettel's downplaying of the effects of the FIA's clamp down on engine mapping may be true but I'd be willing to bet the engineers could point to a lot of things, namely tirewear, that are noticeably different as a result.
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Without the advantage of the previous Red-Bull-specific engine mapping, it's pretty sure that the whole car will behave differently than before.
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from the Regie: http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2012/0...ping-intrigue/
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well that was a good race! Finally Hamilton had things go his way
Kimi was right on him in the end. Glad he didnt pass though haha.
damn now we have a 4 week break
Kimi was right on him in the end. Glad he didnt pass though haha.
damn now we have a 4 week break