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Old 06-19-2005, 03:53 PM
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F1 fans got shafted especially US fans

F1 race in Indianapolis should be a good one until, Michelin brought bad sets of tires.

All Michelin runners pulled out of the race and only 3 teams raced today: Ferrari, Jordan & Minardi - all Bridgestone runners.

Who's fault it was? Not the teams; Not US Indianapolis speedway; Not FIA... All the fault is on MICHELIN!!!

Why no compromise? Why should there be one! FIA did the right thing, by not allowing to put a chicane on turn 13. Why would FIA accomodate a mistake done by the team's tire supplier.

It's a shame. We were all cheated from a potential great race. It very unfortunate!!!
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The fault lies with the FIA.
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how u can blame michelin for doing the safe and responsible thing is beyond me.
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It was not the first time Michelin had been to Indy. They should have brought a tire capable to perform.
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the track was completely resurfaced over the winter. Bridgestone had an advantage with their sister company Firestone already running the Indy 500 this year.
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It was not the first time Michelin had been to Indy. They should have brought a tire capable to perform.
EXACTLY MY POINT!!!

MICHELIN brought the wrong set of tires and caused everyone to do what they have to do.
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Originally Posted by ulangca
F1 race in Indianapolis should be a good one until, Michelin brought bad sets of tires.

All Michelin runners pulled out of the race and only 3 teams raced today: Ferrari, Jordan & Minardi - all Bridgestone runners.

Who's fault it was? Not the teams; Not US Indianapolis speedway; Not FIA... All the fault is on MICHELIN!!!

Why no compromise? Why should there be one! FIA did the right thing, by not allowing to put a chicane on turn 13. Why would FIA accomodate a mistake done by the team's tire supplier.

It's a shame. We were all cheated from a potential great race. It very unfortunate!!!
thanks a lot for the info there pardner.... I had NO IDEA that happened...

while I can't help but feel disappointed about the (unexpected) course of events today, I can feel happy about being a part of (unfortunate) F1 history.... .... no pictures.....
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I feel its a compounded fault between FIA and Michelin, but more on Michelin's part..... more later....
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Originally Posted by Astroboy
how u can blame michelin for doing the safe and responsible thing is beyond me.


The rule changes have more to do with this problem than the tire manufacturer in question. Michelin made the right choice to not put the drivers in any danger. It does suck that they did not develop a tire that was ready to compete today, but Bridgestone has also had issues this season. Send your thoughts to my dear friend Max Mosely.

We all know there is going to be a ton of feedback from all parties around F1 over the next week. This will definately get straightened out. Maybe we'll see the rule change involed to allow tire changes again.
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Michelin did overnight new tires which should have allowed them to feel safe that the drivers would have been okay to run. FIA did not agree to let them use these new tires, which was probably the wrong decision as they have soured many fans.

Bridgestone did have the advantage that Firestone could have brought back information from previous testing at the racetrack. It was resurfaced, and cut down completely with a grinder after initial tests proved it was needed for the tires.
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^^^

I agree it was plainly michelins fault. The same thing happened to Schumi in one of the earlier races where he pulled out bec his tires were not holding up. Now Michelin has been caught with their pants down and inspite of FIA playing hardball, there is no way they should have built that chicane to accomadate the faulty Michelin tires. For once I agree with FIA's stand. This is like u want to set a speed limit of 100mph bec the minardi's cant run faster than that. What crap.

While i myself am not a big fan of FIA's current rules, the rules have been the same for the last 8 races. And all this while Ferrari was getting shafted bec of the rules, and everyone had a smirk on their face. Now for the first time the rules went against the Michelin car runners and everyone is crying foul play.

On the argument on how Bridgestone got an advantage bec of Firestone running here in Indy 500, wasnt Michelin at a greater advantage since 7 teams were testing their tires and they came into this season with a better tire???

End of all its the viewers, who really missed out. I was hoping for a good fight bw Kimi and Fernando. But if there is someone to blame it should be Michelin for screwing up and then trying to place the blame on FIA.


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Even with Michelin testing and having seven teams testing still doesn't take into consideration the resurfacing of the entire track in the offseason, this was the first resurfacing in ten years.
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btw.... no reason to h8 on the people that happened to be there..... I agree it was not the best situation... but there is a rumour going around here that F1 ticket stubs from 05 race will be honoured at the 06 race.... which is quite good news for people who were there such as myself... of course maybe I would feel worse if I had not had 4 Foster's oilcans, lol.
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also I don't have any problem with the decision not to race due to safety concerns. unlike nascar, the high point(s) of F1 racing imo are not cars wrecking.....
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Originally Posted by anothercls
Even with Michelin testing and having seven teams testing still doesn't take into consideration the resurfacing of the entire track in the offseason, this was the first resurfacing in ten years.
Yes its a different kind of advantage. Are you telling me that Michelin never knew about the Indy resurfacing until they came here and then saw that their tires are not suitable?? If they are professionals they should have figured out all this stuff beforehand. I reiterate, Michelin just screwed up big time.
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Michellin should have sent better tires for the race. It was not Michellin that asked the teams not to run, it was the teams themselves that chose not to race. However it is a safety concern for the teams if the treads come apart due to the vertical g-forces experienced at the 6 degree bank. I agree with the FIA's stand on not adjusting the course at the last minute. The Ferrari's was ready to do race with the chicane and had suggested to do a 3 lap practice, but Trulli wasn't going to have enough fuel to do that so they wouldn't have done the practice laps.

If F1 had more teams choosing other tire brands, this would not be such a big deal. If this happened to Bridgestone teams, no one would've noticed, as said by the announcers.

The fact that the michellin teams did not choose to take a penalty due to changing the tires didn't help the problem. They could have all chosen to take the penalty and race for the fans.

Rules are rules, you have to enforce them and not bend them. A comprise would have been great for everyone. It's just that both sides were too stubborn to get there.

However, I think it's horrible that the fans there threw trash onto the race track. After all there were drivers doing over 200mph. Just look at what Barricello had to drive over.
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What I find interesting is that the BAR/Honda running Michelin tires reported no issues with their tire choices.

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Even with Michelin testing and having seven teams testing still doesn't take into consideration the resurfacing of the entire track in the offseason, this was the first resurfacing in ten years.
TRUE... but even the Speed Channels experts David Hobbs and Steve Matchet (or is it Hatchet) said that in their honest opinion, the re-surfaced won't make a difference...

I'm not quite too familiar with the rules, but what would happen if they did select the tires that were overnight?

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The tires that were overnighted were supposed to be able to withstand the speeds on the banking in the 13th turn. Not sure if this would have been an unfair advantage or not.

I'm sure Michelin knew about the resurfacing, but I don't know that they are used in any sport that has raced there since the resurfacing.
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Originally Posted by emperuman
Yes its a different kind of advantage. Are you telling me that Michelin never knew about the Indy resurfacing until they came here and then saw that their tires are not suitable?? If they are professionals they should have figured out all this stuff beforehand. I reiterate, Michelin just screwed up big time.
Granted, Michelin has made a terrible mistake on their choice, or rather the build design of their tires (and I say this, because it turns out the tires sent overnight from France were not more suitable; it wasn't a bad batch, it was a bad design).

BUT:

Now that you know you have this problem, two days ahead of the race, what do you do? You try and find solutions. One has to give it to Michelin that they did their fair share of efforts to ammend themselves: They've publicly recognised and appologized for their mistake.

Then, they've proposed a few solutions, one of which the chicane in turn 13 was probably the best compromise (adopted by 9 of the 10 teams, and unanimously adopted by the pilots). Not only that, but all the Michelin teams were ready to forget about the points, or start behind the Bridgestone runners at the grid.

This means that Ferrari were racing with NO RISK at hand! They were handed 18 points before even one engine had cranked!

On Ferrari and FIA's part, their absolute refusal for compromise only made themselves look foolish. The one reason why Ferrari, and especially FIA should be pointed fingers at, is that confronted to the situation that Michelin runners could not take turn 13 flat out safely, the show must still go on, so what do you do to make sure the show remains of best possible quality?

I think the compromise was the fairest deal that could be done FOR THE FANS.

I can understand that Ferrari would feel legitimized to say that Michelin problems are not their problem, but it is quite short-sighted to say such a thing when the whole problem will penalise the fans the most. In exactly what way are the fans responsible for those problems? Why should they be the ones to be deprived of what they paid for ultimately? Yet they are the ones who paid most dearly the price. Comes next the Michelin teams and Michelin themselves (who should be commended for their transparency and honesty).

Of course, in that case Ferrari ran away with 18 points (the payback for Bridgestone's good work, granted, but nevertheless assured per Michelin teams propositions) In the long term, they will be losers too. Not only F1 has greatly compromised it's US future, but also it's credibility everywhere else around the world.

In short, FIA and Ferrari have taken a stab at their bread and butter. And for FIA to treat a commercial partner such as Michelin in such a way is absolutely disgusting from a business standpoint.

Somehow though, I have come to expect no better from Max Mosley and his clowns. You could see it coming for miles considering the way they handled the BAR issue. How clumsy...
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One further note. Those who had experienced failures or felt something was wrong with their tires were all running under 21PSI of pressure in their tires. Which explains why BAR, McLaren, David Coulthard and Jacques Villeneuve experienced no problems whatsoever.

Still, instead of basing themselves on assumptions, the most inexact science, by precaution, their ONLY limitation was to run decent pressures, with less toe and not flat out in turn 13.

It was sooo easy to reach a compromise for the sake of the fans. Yet EVERYONE (not only Michelin) failed at that.
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they spent 2 days practicing and running on the track. they knew about the issue, to pull this CRAP on race day is unacceptable. there were many solutions that the fia could have come to LIKE LETTING ALL TEAMS CHANGE THEIR TIRES INCLUDING THE BRIDGESTONE GUYS. this kind of incident could and probably will damage the sport in the us. i spent alot of money to go and watch them race as did many others and it was sickining what the FIA did to the teams and FANS most of all!
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i spent alot of money to go and watch them race as did many others and it was sickining what the FIA did to the teams and FANS most of all!
Indeed, if it wasn't for my dislike of Tony George and the IRL (actually what the IRL did to open wheel in the US), I might have wanted to attend a race one day at Indy. This would have meant a lot of money to get there (from Hawaii), and I would have been pretty pissed if I had gone and ruined my one vacation in how many years!

On the plus side, Champ Car is honoring USGP tickets at Cleavland next week, and maybe the USGP will end up somewhere else in the future. Who knows, without USGP money proping up the IRL, maybe the open wheel war in the US will be over sooner......
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What if the situation was reversed and the Bridgestone runners have the problem?

I have a very strong feeling that maybe 1 or more team will boycott the idea of a chicane (like what Ferrari did). FIA stand on this will be the same which is no compromise. If this happens nobody will care that much anyways about the Bridgestone runners especially Ferrari (Ferraris recent dominace seems to give F1 fans a bad taste about them lately, plus their known team strategies).

Also to point out that there are 7 teams (Michelins) vs. 3 teams in Bridgestone. So people will see a better race compare to 6 cars as oppose to 14 cars.

Rules are rules ( I'm not a fan of the FIA rules either). If they are compromised, then that would open a can of worms.

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Y'know, I thought about this as I drove home from Indy last night and I don't know who I'm more pissed off at-Michelin, the FIA or the teams. No matter how you slice it, we as fans, we got a royal fucking. I paid 530/ea. for suite seats; 260 night for a hotel; and usual travel stuff (food, etc.). The local paper said ~29,000 locals attended the race last year-you can bet that fan base is severely decimated. As for the rest of the US, that puts a terrible cloud over F1's viability in this country. I'm so fuckin' pissed I can't even verbalize it. I left before the halfway point and the only reason I stayed that long was b/c I wanted to get some value out of the suite and had lunch.
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Worse-I took my father for Father's Day as it was his dream to attend a race at Indy someday. He still hasn't gotten his wish.
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fans did get screwed. FIA is really starting to annoy the heck outta me. I had no issues with the rules changes to bring the competition to the same level but what happened was dumb. Some sort of compromise with M equiped tires starting at the back of the grid or whatever would've been sufficient imho. dumb dumb dumb....they are killing a sport.
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Y'know, here I am sitting in Derek Daly's suite and we didn't know what fook was going on and he's an announcer for Speed down in pitlane. I was unaware Michelin advised the teams not to run the tires though I did know it had shipped new tires over to remedy the problem. The FIA and Michelin both dropped the ball on this jointly. I place more blame on Michelin b/c it had to know of the tire loading requirements before the race and failed to bring a properly constructed tire. The FIA, in all of its glorious stupidity, could have easily allowed a chicane to be temporarily constructed as it has done before (Montreal for one) and kept the race a points race instead of a points tire test. Fuck this pissed me off
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6/20/2005 10:53:03 AM

The day after the U.S. Grand Prix debacle at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, the sport took its lumps in newspapers around the world.

What is interesting is that the outrage was more prevalent in many of the major international publications while most of the top U.S. newspapers focused on the U.S. Open golf championship and/or the NBA championship final.

"U.S. Grand Prix Never Gets Into Gear" read the headline in the New York Times.

"George, who did not take part in the postrace ceremony, did not offer a refund, although the speedway stopped offering tickets to next year's Grand Prix on its Web site last night," wrote the newspaper.

"Speedway CEO Tony George was so disillusioned with the sixth annual event that he refused to wave the checkered flag to end it," said USA Today. "George also instructed his staff to decline participation in the postrace awards ceremony."

"Stop your engines! Just 6 race in Indy" said the Chicago Tribune while the Indianapolis Star ran the headline "Grand Slammed".

"Formula One, a European motor sports series battling apathy in the United States, enraged an Indianapolis Motor Speedway crowd Sunday and cast doubt on the race's future when nearly three-quarters of the cars in the U.S. Grand Prix dropped out before the first official lap," wrote the Star's Curt Cavin.

"Goodbye, Formula One. Good riddance, Bernie Ecclestone. Au revoire, Michelin. Ciao, Ferrari. What we witnessed Sunday was not only a monumental disgrace to the sport and everybody involved in it, but it should spell the end of the U.S. Grand Prix in Indianapolis. And, we're quite sure, the United States," wrote fellow columnist Bob Kravitz.

"Simply stated, this race is done. Forget what any contract might say about future events. The Formula One gang has lost all its credibility with the American market, and has torn apart every relationship it needed to make this thing succeed," he went on to say.

Oversees, the reaction was just as harsh.

"Grand Prix Turns Farce" read the Guardian.

"Formula one plumbed new depths of disrepute yesterday when only six cars competed in the United States grand prix. It was the most catastrophic public relations disaster in the 56-year history of the official world championship," said the Guardian. "It is hard to see how formula one can ever return to the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, or probably anywhere in the United States."

"F1 R.I.P" and "F1 Foot In The Grave" chimed in The Mirror.

"IT was the day that Grand Prix racing died in America," the newspaper concluded.

The Daily Telegraph headline screamed "Day of Shame For F1"

"The future of Formula One in the United States hung in the balance last night after what must rank among the greatest PR disasters in the history of this or any other sport," said the Telegraph. "More than 120,000 people paid to watch the fastest, most technologically advanced cars negotiate the most celebrated track in American motorsport. What they got was the equivalent of Chelsea versus Rushden & Diamonds."

In the same publication, Jackie Stewart wrote that there will be "a lot of ramifications" for the sport in the North America following the U.S. debacle.

"Any sympathy towards Formula One in this country will have gone after this," wrote Stewart. "I can see what has happened here today having a domino affect on F1 in America and perhaps in other countries, too."

"Formula One Implodes As Irate Teams Refuse To Race" wrote The Times.

"FORMULA One tore itself apart in full view of the world last night as the US Grand Prix turned into a farce of epic proportions," summarized the newspaper.

The British tabloid, The Sun, stated bluntly "F1's Dead In The States", labelling Sunday's race "a global joke".

"Once again Formula One, which prides itself on being the pinnacle of motor racing and the most technically advanced, plunged itself into utter chaos and confusion," wrote the Sun. "It was not the scenario needed in a country, where the sport is desperate to be accepted, or in front of the largest European TV audience of the year because of it's prime-time slot."
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I think no one entity deserves all the blame for this issue.

Michelin certainly deserves its share of blame for not doing a better job of design, but at the same time, they had no reason to suspect anything was wrong since their cars were leading the championship.

The FIA and that idiot Max Moseley deserve their share of the blame for not allowing a compromise (simply allowing everyone, including the Bridgestone team to start on fresh tires might have been enough to prevent this disaster) while still hardlining the rules about tires changes (promising severe penalties for any team that did change the tires).

And the teams themselves deserve their share of blame for pulling this stunt.

In the end, the fans are the ones who got screwed and F1 is digging its own grave even faster.
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http://www.autoweek.com/article.cms?articleId=102613

F1asco: Thanks to politics and Michelin’s inability to supply safe tires, the
2005 U.S.G.P. turned out to be a farce

NIGEL ROEBUCK
Published Date: 6/20/05

Michael Schumacher won the U.S. Grand Prix, as he almost always does. Rubens Barrichello made it a Ferrari 1-2 finish with nothing very new about that, either. But the result, as Ferrari boss Jean Todt said, was achieved, “Under very unusual circumstances. To put it in boxing terms,” Ferrari’s general manager went on, “Ferrari and Bridgestone won with a technical knock-out.”

No argument there. On the podium with Schumacher and Barrichello was Jordan’s Tiago Monteiro, followed in by his teammate Narain Karthikeyan, then the Minardis of Christian Albers and Patrick Friesacher.

There were only six finishers.

The problem was, of course, that there had only been six starters. At the end of the formation lap, 14 cars, all of them on Michelin tires, peeled off into the pit lane. Engines were shut down and the cars pushed into their respective garages. McLaren’s Juan Montoya sat in tears; this was as good as a home race for the Colombian, as thousands of native fans traveled to cheer on their idol (each having paid at least $100 per person just to enter the Speedway grounds). Only now had they begun to understand they had wasted time and money at the sixth USGP in Indianapolis.

Briefly, the fans were so stunned at the sight of only six cars on the grid that there was no discernible reaction. Then they got the message. Not surprisingly, they showed their wrath, some mildly with a thumbs-down, a few more overtly by throwing plastic bottles; on lap six, Barrichello ran over one, without damage to his tires.


Michael Schumacher and Rubens Barrichello tried to put on a good show by battling hard against each other during the race. The Jordan and Minardi teams also raced and like Ferrari, use Bridgestone tires.

The whole weekend was about tires. On Friday afternoon, as he did last year, Ralf Schumacher had a sizeable accident at the last corner, turn 13, the only corner on the Speedway’s oval (Turn One). Twelve months ago, Schumacher was seriously injured, and it was fortunate that in the interim the SAFER barrier had been extended to include the section he hit once more.

Apparently unhurt this time, he later complained of a pain in his eyes and was declared unfit to race; his place in the Toyota team was filled by test driver Ricardo Zonta, who himself had an accident shortly before Schumacher.

In both cases, the cause was tire failure. The seeds of what followed were sown in a statement by Michelin executives, the gist of which was that they acknowledged their tires had failed but they didn’t yet know why.

That wasn’t the end of the drama. Some Michelin runners—including Renault and Williams—reported no tire problems whatever. Still, all together there were eight failures, not two. On the Toyotas the tires actually blew; on the other cars, including Pedro de la Rosa’s McLaren, they were about to.


Fans were plenty ticked off about what happened.

By Saturday the picture was getting bleaker. All the Michelin teams took part in the day’s on-track activities, and McLaren’s Montoya and Kimi Raikkonen looked the class of the field, but word emerged that the two were running substantially higher pressures than normal. This, of course, took away grip in the tight infield section, but was considered essential for safety through the high-speed section.

There were suggestions that, in the search for slow corner grip, Toyota had run tire pressures lower than those recommended by Michelin, but the team adamantly denied this. A Michelin statement issued Saturday made it clear there was a major problem with their tires: “Despite all the checks that we’ve done, both here and in our test facilities in Clermont-Ferrand, we have not been able to understand or reproduce the problem of yesterday.”

So, would the Michelin-shod cars compete or not? They turned out for qualifying and even compromised by higher-than-normal pressures, set the pace. Was there a clue at the post-qualifying press conference? Toyota took its first F1 pole with Trulli narrowly beating Raikkonen, but afterward Trulli’s mood was hardly that of a man who couldn’t wait to race tomorrow: rather, he sounded like a man who suspected he was through for the weekend. Indeed: his car had qualified with about a pint of fuel in it.

Late on Saturday afternoon all kinds of solutions were sought. One proposal: A speed limit—we’re serious—of 280kph through the final turn (to be achieved, and monitored, how?). Other ideas included some sort of race held behind the Safety Car. More seriously was an idea to install a chicane before the final turn.


The boos rained down on, from left, second-place Rubens Barrichello, race winner Michael Schumacher and unlikely third-place finisher Tiago Monteiro during the podium ceremony.

This last plan was requested by Michelin, with the agreement of nine of the 10 teams—Ferrari cast the nay vote. “In total agreement with our partner teams, we have asked the FIA that a chicane, allowing the reduction of car speed, be installed at the entrance to the oval.”

For at least a while this looked to be a done a deal. As David Coulthard said, when he left the track Saturday for his hotel, he understood a chicane would be in place and there would be a race.

Not a bit of it. “The chicane idea was rejected by FIA president Max Mosley,” Minardi team boss Paul Stoddart said. “In no uncertain terms the teams were told that, should this occur, there would be no race.”

Mosley is a keen proponent of the one-tire, one-manufacturer rule in F1. This debacle will not weaken his case.

Ferrari was not keen on the chicane idea and you could understand that. Like Jordan and Minardi, the other Bridgestone runners, they suffered not the slightest tire problems in practice and failed to see why Michelin, having erred so badly, should be indulged.

Still, there was a greater issue at stake. After years of trying to sell itself to the United States consumers—potentially its biggest market—F1 had a collective responsibility to ensure its audience got what it had paid for: a race. And if, as a temporary salve, that had meant the installation of a chicane, all parties should have bitten the bullet. Like the man said, there comes a time when you have to set aside principle, and simply do what’s right.


Formula One czar Bernie Ecclestone, left, and Renault team honcho Flavio Briatore talk just before the race. Renault was among the Michelin-shod teams that decided not to race.

Either recognizing there is a chance to make lemonade from lemons, or willing to “do what’s right” for race fans, (or, dare we say, as an olive branch extended to the George family), Champ Car is making an extraordinary statement by honoring U.S. Grand Prix tickets at its Cleveland race June 26.

After the race, Schumacher talked about the weekend, and pointed the finger at Michelin. “We have left behind tires with better performance, but less durability,” he said, in reference to Bridgestone, “so, frankly, it’s nothing to do with us.”

Perhaps not. Undoubtedly, the root of the problem lay with Michelin. Its choice of compound for Indianapolis had been too marginal. But with a little goodwill, with some cooperation from a variety of sources, the problem could have been righted. As it was every suggested solution was rejected.

Stoddart spoke for many on Sunday afternoon. “Our sincere apologies go out to race fans, both here at Indianapolis, and indeed around the world, for the farce that took place here today. This really was a time when F1 needed to put sport above politics, but sadly this did not occur. A solution which would have allowed the U.S. Grand Prix to have proceeded unaffected today existed, but was resisted by the FIA, and not supported by Ferrari, who claimed it was not their problem.”


Michelin tire failures during Friday's testing led to Sunday's drastic actions.

Tony George’s response was restrained, but to the point. “The Indianapolis Motor Speedway shares in the disappointment of the loyal fans of IMS and F1 that we did not see the exciting race we all anticipated, due to circumstances beyond our control. The FIA, F1, the constructors and manufacturers that represent the cars on the grid made decisions on an individual basis to limit participation in today’s USGP. We suggest the fans who wish to make their feelings known, contact the following”—and there followed the addresses and websites of Michelin, the FIA, and Formula One Management.

Joie Chitwood, president and CEO of the IMS, was clearly an angry man as he answered questions. Was there any question of voiding the contract for the Grand Prix? “It’s premature to be discussing that right now,” he said. “What occurred today was something we were not prepared for. We invested a lot of time and effort in preparing this property for a world-class racing event. The inability to have control over the actions today...to say it’s a disappointment is an understatement.”

It was indeed black Sunday, and no one accepted responsibility. Shortly after the race was official (two laps in), drivers were seen jogging to the exits to avoid embarrassment or spectator ire. With 20 laps to go, F1 honcho Bernie Ecclestone high-tailed it to his private jet. Even the George family, scheduled to hand out the winners’ hardware, avoided the scheduled post-race celebration.

As the fans who had stayed to the end, some disgruntled, some livid, began to make their way home, someone remarked that F1 had shot itself in the foot. In terms of America, it seemed more that it had drawn a blade across its throat.


Fans were plenty ticked off about what happened.

Perhaps the biggest surprise was that this was a crisis Ecclestone couldn’t solve, perhaps proof of changing times in this F1 business. If the F1 powers had a grain of sense it would offer to race for nothing at Indianapolis in 2006.

It won’t, of course, but it should.

RACE RESULTS:

Indianapolis Motor Speedway
2.605-mile road course
June 19

1. Michael Schumacher, Ferrari, 73 laps at 127.162 mph avg. speed; 2. Rubens Barrichello, Ferrari, 73; 3. Tiago Monteiro, Jordan-Toyota, 72; 4. Narain Karthikeyan, Jordan-Toyota, 72; 5. Christijan Albers, Minardi-Cosworth, 71; 6. Patrick Friesacher, Minardi-Cosworth, 71;

NOT CLASSIFED

Jarno Trulli, Toyota, 0 (DNS); Kimi Raikkonen, McLaren-Mercedes, 0 (DNS); Jenson Button, BAR-Honda, 0 (DNS); Giancarlo Fisichella, Renault, 0 (DNS); Fernando Alonso, Renault, 0 (DNS); Takuma Sato, BAR-Honda, 0 (DNS); Mark Webber, Williams-BMW, 0 (DNS); Felipe Massa, Sauber-Petronas, 0 (DNS); Juan Pablo Montoya, McLaren-Mercedes, 0 (DNS); Jacques Villeneuve, Sauber-Petronas, 0 (DNS); Ricardo Zonta, Toyota, 0 (DNS); Christian Klien, Red Bull-Cosworth, 0 (DNS); Nick Heidfeld, Williams-BMW, 0 (DNS); David Coulthard, Red Bull-Cosworth, 0 (DNS)

TIME: 1h 29m 43.181s

MARGIN OF VICTORY: 1.522s

FAST QUALIFIER: Trulli, 1m 10.625s (132.774 mph)

FAST LAP: M. Schumacher, 1m 11.497s (131.155 mph)

CAUTION PERIODS: None

LEAD CHANGES: Two among two drivers

POINT LEADERS: 1. Alonso, 59; 2. Raikkonen, 37; 3. M. Schumacher, 34; 4. Barrichello, 29; 5. Trulli, 27; 6. Heidfeld, 25; 7. Webber, 22; 8. R. Schumacher, 20; 9 (tie) Fisichella, Coulthard, 17

NEXT: France, July 3 (7:30 a.m. Eastern, Speed)
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FIA Statement on USGP
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Indianapolis, Ind. – 6/20/2005 The following statement was released Monday morning by the FIA, Formula’ 1’s governing body, regarding the controversy at the U.S. Grand Prix that led to the withdrawal of the 14 Michelin-tired cars before the start:

"Formula 1 is a sporting contest. It must operate to clear rules. These cannot be negotiated each time a competitor brings the wrong equipment to a race.

At Indianapolis, we were told by Michelin that their tires would be unsafe unless their cars were slowed in the main corner. We understood and among other suggestions offered to help them by monitoring speeds and penalizing any excess. However, the Michelin teams refused to agree unless the Bridgestone runners were slowed by the same amount. They suggested a chicane.

The Michelin teams seemed unable to understand that this would have been grossly unfair as well as contrary to the rules. The Bridgestone teams had suitable tires. They did not need to slow down. The Michelin teams’ lack of speed through turn 13 would have been a direct result of inferior equipment, as often happens in Formula 1. It must also be remembered that the FIA wrote to all of the teams and both tire manufacturers on June 1, 2005, to emphasise that “tires should be built to be reliable under all circumstances” (see correspondence on www.fia.com).

A chicane would have forced all cars, including those with tires optimized for high-speed, to run on a circuit whose characteristics had changed fundamentally – from ultra-high speed (because of turn 13) to very slow and twisting. It would also have involved changing the circuit without following any of the modern safety procedures, possibly with implications for the cars and their brakes. It is not difficult to imagine the reaction of an American court had there been an accident (whatever its cause) with the FIA having to admit it had failed to follow its own rules and safety procedures.

The reason for this debacle is clear. Each team is allowed to bring two types of tire: one an on-the-limit potential race winner, the other a back-up which, although slower, is absolutely reliable. Apparently, none of the Michelin teams brought a back-up to Indianapolis. They subsequently announced they were flying in new tires from France but then claimed that these too were unsafe.

What about the American fans? What about Formula 1 fans world-wide? Rather than boycott the race, the Michelin teams should have agreed to run at reduced speed in turn 13. The rules would have been kept, they would have earned Championship points and the fans would have had a race. As it is, by refusing to run unless the FIA broke the rules and handicapped the Bridgestone runners, they have damaged themselves and the sport.

It should also be made clear that Formula One Management and Indianapolis Motor Speedway, as commercial entities, can have no role in the enforcement of the rules."

Paris, June 20, 2005
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Wow! That's a hell of a thing Champ Car is doing. Pretty smart on their part, IMO. Extend an olive branch to the fans, get a bit of free PR, and fire a shot across F1's bow all at the same time.
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Below are select quotes from SPEED Channel Formula 1 analyst Peter Windsor from a Sunday night appearance on ‘Wind Tunnel with Dave Despain.’ Windsor comments on the Formula 1 debacle, where Michelin teams refused to race at the USGP, citing safety issues for its drivers, leaving the lone F1 event in the U.S. with a six-car field.

Wind Tunnel with Dave Despain airs Sunday nights at 9 on SPEED Channel.

WINDSOR: “I think this business about the Michelin tires being unsafe to race has been exaggerated by the teams and, indeed, by Michelin, because as far as I understand it, they were only considered to be unsafe, by Michelin, on one very specific corner. And talking to a lot of the drivers, there were ways of getting around that corner, reducing the amount of load that was going through it – obviously we are talking about Turn 13, the vertical load. So, I think first of all, we need to be very careful about “the tires were unsafe.” I think they were unsafe, but unsafe when used in a specific way. Beyond that, I am as shattered as anyone else. I love Formula One. I’ve been involved for 30 years and to see that happen on the warm-up lap, the formation lap, all those cars coming in like that, I think it was an absolute disgrace. To be honest, our obligation in this sport, or any sport is to the fans and for that to happen is just appalling.”

“I think the Michelin was naďve in thinking that there would be a solution that falls outside the framework of the Formula One regulations … because they suggested a chicane that makes cars go slower through Turn 13, but that was never going to happen in a million years. The FIA, the governing body of the sport – this is the governing body that disqualifies cars for having a brake duct half a millimeter too large – they are never going to put in a chicane in on race morning, around which the cars are not allowed to practice or do anything at all … equally, there was talk about using another batch of tires, but that was never going to happen either.”

“Tell me where the difference is in what happened today and what might happen at any Grand Prix where there is a sudden downpour and one tire company, on intermediate tires, with no grip at all, everybody spins off on the straight and there is only five cars left in the race. That’s happened before and everyone thinks ‘Wow, what a great race.’ They should have been out there racing and if there are problems, you drive around the problems as best you can. Racers are racers.”

“It’s the teams, these massively paid teams and drivers, who have a responsibility to the fans … not one of those Michelin team guys said ‘We made a horrendous mistake today and we take full responsibility. All they did was blame the FIA, blame Bernie, blame Ferrari, blame Bridgestone, blame everyone else, but they never actually blamed themselves. Do you know how many teams from Michelin actually did the pre-USA tire test to select the correct tire for Indianapolis? … Two – Felipe Massa and Anthony Davidson – everyone else was at Silverstone.”

“One of the watersheds of today was that Bernie Ecclestone stared people in the eye, literally eyeball to eyeball before the race, and said you are going to get in that car and race – not to the drivers, but to the team owners … and they stared him back. At the end of the day, in this particular situation, the eyeballing didn’t work for Bernie. It’s the first time I can remember it not working for him and there will be repercussions.”

“F1 is about people getting out there and going motor racing. We race in the rain. We race in the wind. We race in the hail. We race in the hot weather. And we have tire failures and lots of other terrible things, but that’s what Formula One is all about, for good and for bad.”
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i just hope that this doesnt ruin it for the F1 in the us. its the only race i can really attend and its always a great event to go to. if it is no longer held here i hope bernie and mosley get teh boot!
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I have serious doubts that there will be a USGP next year... but I won't cry if there isn't. I've been at each and every USGP @ Indy since it started and seriously I think I've had my fill of F1... stateside, at least
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It was an insult to Bush and the american people!!!

First of all, we used to have the big B2 bomber flying over head. And then someone went cheap and we were only have couple of the 20-year-old F18s. Last week, we only had couple of the 30-year-old F16s.

What's up with that!!!

And secondly, why were there only 6 cars running on the track?!

And thirdly, my car has 4 Michelin!!!!

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I don't know how much weight Foxsports has, but still I thought it was a good read.


http://msn.foxsports.com/motor/story/3704474

F1 begins to count the cost of its darkest hour

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Posted: 24 minutes ago

After the shame of the day before, Formula One awoke Monday to begin counting the cost of what is being described as "the most catastrophic public relations disaster in the 56-year history of the official world championship." Or, to put it another way, F1's darkest hour.

The sight of 14 F1 cars pulling off the track at the end of the formation lap for the U.S. Grand Prix and returning to the Indianapolis pits instead of racing is already being regarded as the death knell of the sport in the American market.

"Simply stated, this race is done. Forget what the contract says about future events," read the Indianapolis Star's obituary.

Tellingly, Speedway president Joie Chitwood immediately announced that the circuit held no commitment to invite F1 back in 2006.

"We're as much a victim of what transpired today as the fans are," he said. "Mr. Ecclestone is aware of our position and our unhappiness today."

Even Bernie Ecclestone, desperate to break into the American market, admitted the sport's future on the other side of the Atlantic is bleak.

"I'm furious at the stupidity of it all. There should have been a compromise but we could not get one. I tried a million things and thought that if we could get them on the grid we were halfway there. But it did not happen," he complained. "We were just starting to build a great image in America on TV and with the fans. All of that has gone out of the window."

Such somber realization spread as far as the drivers.

"I find it hard to put into words how damaging this is for F1. It throws into doubt the future of the race in U.S.," admitted David Coulthard. "Even if we do come back, half the crowd in the stands won't."

"It is a disaster for Formula One in the United States," added Nick Heidfeld.

The first bills for F1's most shameful episode are expected to be issued in the coming days.

"Sponsors will be lining up to claim millions in compensation from the teams that did not run, while Bernie Ecclestone, the sport's ringmaster, could also be liable to pay huge compensation," reported The Times of London.

With Ecclestone conceding that fans "have been cheated," F1 will be under huge pressure, both moral and legal, to issue full refunds to all the Indy spectators.

Michelin, however, are likely to bear the immediate brunt of F1's shame.

The FIA is expected to charge the French tire manufacturers, whose admission that their rubber was unsafe to use at Indy precipitated Sunday's shambles, with bringing the sport into disrepute this week.

The withering response of Charlie Whiting, the FIA's race director, to Michelin's request for a chicane to be introduced, in which he scorned their failure to supply "correct tires," is likely to be a mere taster of the FIA's response.

"We are very surprised that this difficulty has arisen," Whiting continued. "As you know, each team is allowed to bring two different types of tire to an event so as to ensure that a backup (usually of lower performance) is available should problems occur. It is hard to understand why you have not supplied your teams with such a tire given your years of experience at Indianapolis.

"That the teams you supply are not in possession of such a tire will also be a matter for the FIA to consider in due course under Article 151c of the International Sporting Code."

Under the terms of Article 151C, penalties can be applied for "any fraudulent conduct or any act prejudicial to any competition or to the sport in general."

Michelin's apparent incompetence could not be timed worse, coming just days after the FIA published proposals to limit tire supply to just one organization for 2008 and beyond.

Moreover, "Michelin's failure to supply its teams with safe and durable tires less than two weeks after it was warned by the FIA not to sacrifice safety for performance (after Kimi Raikkonen's tire failure at the Nurburgring) could force the French tire company's withdrawal from the sport," noted The Guardian.

However, in mitigation, Michelin publicly announced its mistake nearly 48 hours before the grand prix began.

That the sport could then not reach a compromise for the sake of its reputation and image damns those far beyond the confines of Michelin.

"The bottom line is Michelin made a mistake. But after that the FIA had it in their hands to find a solution and ensure we all raced out there. The most important people, the fans, have been forgotten in all of this," noted Coulthard.

Jacques Villeneuve, meanwhile, blamed Ferrari for its failure to agree to the introduction of a chicane: "We could have raced with a chicane, if a chicane had been put before the banking, but Ferrari didn't accept."

Michael Schumacher's comment, "I don't know what Michelin's problem is, but this wasn't our problem," spoke volumes about Ferrari's intransigence ahead of F1's race of shame.

F1's blame game is set to explode in the coming days but the damage has already been done. Sunday, this was a sport that imploded.

The cost, which will perhaps never be fully appreciated, will be borne by all those shamed by their association to this reprehensible debacle.
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Here is a translation of an interview with Pierre Dupasquier, Michelin's Sporting Director. Source: www.f1-live.com

Pierre Dupasquier, Michelin's Competition Director, reflects upon his decision to request that Michelin teams not race last Sunday. He considers the tires Michelin provided were very good, but not well adapted for Indianapolis' specific conditions.

Were the tires proposed by Michelin fundamentally bad?

"The tire was not adapted to Indianapolis's very particular conditions. Proof had been made that the tire provided very good speed, judging by the qualification times. But at the same time, it exhibited the particularily of not being able to withstand the constarints of the Indy race track. We do not know why as of yet. we are still working to know why and we have a few hypothesis on the table. We have accumulated data in destructive and non-destructive tests which prove that the tire was very good."

Can this be attribuable to the grooved tarmac, very different from the usual tarmac compounds?

"The tarmac is one of the hypothesis we have identified"

But with Michelin's experience, could you not have predicted what was going to happen?

"We have found ourselves in face with an environment we were used to work with during the preceding year, with absolutely no issue whatsoever.But the modifications to the structure of the tire made necessary due to the changes in rules that made it necessary for the tire to last much longer resulted in a weakness in Indianapolis. Actually, not exactly a weakness, more of a charactyeristic we hadn't calculated on."

Has the decision to ask your partners not to race be a difficult one to take?

"No. We have evaluated the situation with all the experts with the Michelin society. We have shared instantly all of our data and conclusions with our partners and the decision was taken on Sunday morning."

What has taught you the situation in Indianapolis?

"A comprehension of racing circumstances that we didn't have so far. We are finding something that we hadn't previously expected."

Do you fear a negative consequence for Michelin?

"We could have feared a negative consequence if we hadn't taken the right decision, if we had been irresponsible with regards to the situation. But now, our partners can do nothing else but recognise that we have made a mistake. That is not too bad in itself. It happens to anyone. Our product is good, but it doesn't deliver the right job in Indianapolis."

Car racing is by essence a dangerous activity, why not have let the drivers deal with it and race?

"There exists various types of risks. If you build a trapeze with an old piece of string, knowing that the string will let go after 12 turns and you tell the trapezist to go ahead with it, you endanger him yourself, in addition to the risk he himself consciously takes. As for us, we have the responsability of providing reliable parts that will not deceive the driver concerning the risks he takes when taking to a race."

What is the futur of Michelin in F1?

I wish for it to be bright. Granted we have missed something when elaborating the tire. We have taken our responsabilities. Because no where in time from the development of the tire to the acceptation of the product do we say: "Oh well, it might be ok..' "

How have the race teams reacted?

"They have been informed punctually, step by step. They have followed us and understood because they are engineers. They have been very supportive and very friendly, very flattering for us indeed."

Source: Agence France-Presse
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LAWSUITS are here

It had to happen sooner or later


Red Flags Posted for the Six-Car U.S. Grand Prix By DAVE CALDWELL
Published: June 21, 2005
Before a frustrated Formula One fan from Colorado Springs left Indianapolis yesterday, he hired a lawyer to file a class-action lawsuit against nearly everyone connected to Sunday's ill-fated United States Grand Prix.

Larry Bowers, who had paid more than $500 for five tickets to the race, sued the Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile (F.I.A.); Formula One Management, which oversees the finances of the series; the tiremaker Michelin; and the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, said his lawyer, William Bock III.

The lawsuit, which was filed with the United States District Court in Indianapolis, contended that Sunday's event did not "constitute a true grand prix race under F.I.A. and Formula One rules in that the race was started with an insufficient number of participants."

The United States Grand Prix had only 6 cars after the drivers of 14 other cars, all using Michelin tires, withdrew from the race, citing concerns with the safety of the tires. The cars that raced used Bridgestone tires.

Bock said in a telephone interview that Bowers, who had attended the race five times, "felt the situation was handled poorly; he felt as if he wasn't treated fairly."

Bowers was not alone. As the speedway began to sell tickets yesterday for the 2006 United States Grand Prix, some fans visited the speedway offices in Indianapolis looking for refunds.

As of last night, no refunds were offered. Fred Nation, the executive vice president for communications at the speedway, said the track's officials met yesterday to review whether Formula One Management fulfilled its contractual agreement.

More meetings remain. The seven teams that fielded the 14 cars that did not race Sunday have been summoned to Paris for a hearing on June 29 with the F.I.A., the governing body for Formula One. Punishments - like fines, docked points or suspensions - could be levied.

Those seven teams, representing 70 percent of the starting field, said the Michelin tires they were provided with were unsafe to use, particularly on a banked turn known as Turn 1 by Indianapolis 500 fans.
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