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Old Jan 5, 2023 | 03:25 PM
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Andretti Cadillac F1

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Andretti Global and General Motors (GM) have announced their intention to partner on a potential Formula 1 entry following the FIA’s announcement it may invite Expressions of Interest from new teams.

FIA president Mohammed Ben Sulayem tweeted that he had asked the governing body to look into the potential to expand the F1 grid earlier this week, and in a joint announcement issued on Thursday Andretti and GM said they are pursuing an entry as Andretti Cadillac.

The partnership would bring GM into F1 for the first time.

“General Motors is honored to team with Andretti Global on this historic moment in racing,” said GM president Mark Reuss. “We have a long, rich history in motorsports and engineering innovation, and we are thrilled with the prospect of pairing with Andretti Global to form an American F1 team that will help spur even more global interest in the series and the sport.

“Cadillac and F1 both have growing global appeal. Our brand has a motorsports pedigree that’s more than a century in the making, and we would be proud to have the opportunity to bring our distinct American innovation and design to F1.”

The team would be based out of the United States but with a support facility in the United Kingdom. An entry date is not yet identified as more details are required from the FIA regarding a potential submission.

“We are continuing to grow Andretti Global and its family of racing teams and always have our eyes on what’s next,” Michael Andretti said. “I feel that we are well suited to be a new team for Formula 1 and can bring value to the series and our partners, and excitement for the fans. I’m proud to have GM and Cadillac alongside us as we pursue this goal. GM and Andretti share a legacy born out of the love of racing. We now have the opportunity to combine our motorsport passions and dedication to innovation to build a true American F1 bid.

“Together, we will continue to follow procedures and steps put forth by the FIA during the evaluation process. In the meantime, we continue to optimistically prepare should we be fortunate enough to have Andretti Cadillac formally approved as a Formula 1 contender.”

The FIA welcomed the news, although warned it would take a number of months for the process of looking into new teams to be carried out.

“The FIA is exploring the Expressions of Interest process and we will provide a further update in the near future,” an FIA spokesperson said. “Today’s news from the United States is further proof of the popularity and growth of the FIA Formula One World Championship under the FIA’s stewardship. It is particularly pleasing to have interest from two iconic brands such as General Motors Cadillac and Andretti Global.

“Any additional entries would build on the positive acceptance of the FIA’s 2026 PU regulations among OEMs which has already attracted an entry from Audi.

“Any Expressions of Interest process will follow strict FIA protocol and will take several months.”

In response, Formula 1 said it is excited by the amount of potential teams that want to join the grid but reiterates Andretti is not the only team attempting to do so.

“There is great interest in the F1 project at this time with a number of conversations continuing that are not as visible as others,” an F1 statement read.

“We all want to ensure the championship remains credible and stable and any new entrant request will be assessed on criteria to meet those objectives by all the relevant stakeholders. Any new entrant request requires the agreement of both F1 and the FIA.”
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Old Jan 5, 2023 | 03:26 PM
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Huge if this becomes a real entry.
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Wow, Cadillac is an unexpected PU provider.
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Originally Posted by 00TL-P3.2
Wow, Cadillac is an unexpected PU provider.

Probably a Northstar V8.









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2022:

Andretti: "I want to enter an F1 team. I have the money and resources."
Toto Wolff: "We don't want Andretti. They don't bring anything to F1 that would improve the the valuation of the existing teams. We want new manufacturers like Porsche."

2023:

Andretti: "I want to enter an F1 team. I have the money and resources. We also have GM onboard."
Toto Wolff: "Never heard of GM. Do they sell cars in Europe?"
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Originally Posted by 00TL-P3.2
Wow, Cadillac is an unexpected PU provider.
Unexpected only because they won't be a PU provider

Speaking to media including PlanetF1.com, General Motors president Mark Reuss said they had a “signed agreement” with an existing power unit supplier.“We have a signed agreement with a power unit supplier to begin with,” Reuss said. “And then as we move forward, we bring a lot of our expertise to create things for the future as well.”

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Heading into the 2023 season, there are currently four power unit suppliers on the grid in the form of Mercedes, Renault, Ferrari and Red Bull Powertrains with assistance from Honda.

It is the last name that currently appears the most likely to be the supplier of the Andretti Cadillac engine given the Japanese manufacturer’s close ties with General Motors in other departments. The two parties have developed a close working relationship in recent years, in particular in regards to electric and autonomous vehicle technologies.

On the link with Honda, Reuss said they had a “natural respect and relationship” with Honda but refused to confirm whether they would be supplying engines to the proposed team.
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/gm-...115400559.html
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Old Jan 6, 2023 | 02:18 PM
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Yeah, saw that later.
So, 'unnamed' (Renault?) until the GM PU is ready?
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That's the only one that makes sense to me. Even though Honda has been working with GM, they compete in Indycar, and I highly doubt Cadillac would use Audi or MB PUs. Ferrari...just doesn't seem likely.

Then again, you'd think they'd be able to put something together in time for 2026
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Unless Andretti is able to field a team sooner with a current PU & Cadillac gets it done by '26
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https://www.grandprix.com/news/honda...c-engines.html

Honda is believed to have already agreed to supply Power Units to Michael Andretti's prospective Formula One team.

Cadillac will be footing the bill, and branding the Japanese engines as Cadillac, as the cooperation between General Motors and Honda continues to grow. The two companies signed a major deal last April, in which they agreed to expand their relationship to a new level by codeveloping a series of affordable electric vehicles based on a new global architecture using next-generation Ultium battery technology.

During that announcement it was stated that, GM and Honda "are working together to enable global production of millions of EVs starting in 2027, including compact crossover vehicles, leveraging the two companies' technology, design and sourcing strategies. The companies will also work toward standardizing equipment and processes to achieve world-class quality, higher throughput and greater affordability. The compact crossover segment is the largest in the world, with annual volumes of more than 13 million vehicles."

This growing partnership made it completely logical for Cadillac to turn to Honda when it was necessary to find a partner that already has the technology required to design and develop a 2026-spec Formula One Power Unit and during the announcement of the deal with Andretti, GM's president, Mark Reuss, said that, "we have a signed agreement with a power unit supplier to begin with. Then, as we move forward, we bring a lot of our expertise to create things for the future as well."

The American, though, just fell short of confirming that the manufacturer is, indeed, Honda, but admitted that, "obviously we do have a large partnership with Honda on the EV part of it, and we also compete against Honda in series like IndyCar as well. So, we have that natural respect and relationship, which is not problematic at all. But we'll talk about the engine piece of this at a later date."

Securing this deal means that Honda Racing has won the internal battle against important Board members who wanted the company completely out of international racing and with the financial investment being fully covered by Cadillac, there's no legitimate reason for anyone to block it, as the deal represents a win-win situation for Honda, who will continue to develop technology that is relevant for the future of the car industry at zero or very limited cost.

This deal also means Honda's ties with Red Bull will be completely cut by the end of 2025, when the current commercial deal expires, with Ford now likely to become the brand that will finance and badge the Power Units that will be designed and developed by Red Bull Powertrains.

Should that be the case, with Ford and Cadillac branding Formula One engines from 2026, the sport has all the conditions to continue to grow in the United States, fulfilling one of the biggest declared goals of Liberty Media when the company bought Formula One's commercial rights.
Lots of speculation here:
  • Cadillac paying for Honda PU
  • Honda out of Red Bull after 2025 when the new rules kick-in
  • Ford brands the Red Bull power units in 2026
I feel this doesn't seem quite right. Even if Cadillac pays for the Honda PU, what's in it for Honda? There's no point for staying in F1 if Honda just becomes a contract supplier. My own guess is that Honda and Red Bull Powertrains combine back and becomes the PU for Red Bull. Cadillac will purchase the same Honda PU and rebrand them to be used by Andretti.
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Old Jan 6, 2023 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 00TL-P3.2
Unless Andretti is able to field a team sooner with a current PU & Cadillac gets it done by '26
Andretti supposedly had an agreement with Renault last year. So they could use those until 2025 and switch suppliers in 2026.
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But, I raffed. I admit it, I did.
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^ That's great!!
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Old Jan 6, 2023 | 04:49 PM
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Just what F1 needs, another 3rd tier team
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^ that's a step up from Haas, no?
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Old Jan 7, 2023 | 09:08 AM
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But, I raffed. I admit it, I did.
I found a pic of the proposed car, whaddya think?


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Old Jan 9, 2023 | 08:23 AM
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^ that's a step up from Haas, no?
a step up from Williams
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https://racer.com/2023/01/08/f1-rift...lac-reactions/

A rift between Formula 1 and the FIA appears to be growing after the governing body’s president Mohammed Ben Sulayem hit out at what he believes to be “adverse reaction” to Andretti Cadillac’s desire to enter F1.
I think it's very telling that since the Andretti Cadillac announcement came out, there has been zero press release from anyone in F1. This includes any of the 10 teams. There is no mention of this from Formula1.com or Liberty. The lack of enthusiasm is very telling. Ben Sulayem's statement of "adverse reaction" must be discussions behind closed doors that none of the existing teams want Andretti Cadillac.
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More teams shrink existing teams' revenues. That's why they don't want it.
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Old Jan 9, 2023 | 11:53 AM
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Yeah but doesn't the pot grow larger with additional monies collected from the newest team(s)? It would seem to me teams are acting under the assumption the gross prize amount is fixed rather than variable.
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If the pot scales with the number of teams, I'd think adding extra, assuming a proportional increase in available WCC funds would be a great idea, even if they're moving chicanes the first season or two.
Curious if that data is 'public record', you could look back at 2014 when there were 11 teams & see how the pot changed compared to 2015 when it dropped to the current 10.
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My understanding is FOM takes their cut of the revenues, and then the teams get a base amount for participating ($36m from what I can find). Then there are payouts for where the teams finish (and also the Ferrari payment because they are Ferrari).

If another team joins and revenues don't increase, then it's the same pot being split among 11 teams instead of 10.

Again - just my understanding
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Michael Andretti says opposition to the Andretti Cadillac project from other Formula 1 teams comes down to “greed”, but that F1 CEO Stefano Domenicali is encouraged by the program’s General Motors link.

GM and Andretti announced its plans to partner on an F1 entry shortly after the FIA opens up its Expressions of Interest for new teams to join the grid last week, with FIA president Mohammed Ben Sulayem welcoming the move. Andretti has faced opposition to his plans up to now and says pushback from existing teams is due to fear that they will get less revenue.

“It’s all about money,” Andretti told Forbes. “First, they think they are going to get diluted one-tenth of their prize money, but they also get very greedy thinking we will take all the American sponsors as well.

“It’s all about greed and looking at themselves and not looking at what is best for the overall growth of the series.”

However, despite hitting out at the teams, Andretti says F1 and the FIA themselves are more supportive, even though the sport warned there are many interested parties wanting to join the grid.

“In Formula 1, the owners look out for themselves; not what is best for the series,” Andretti said. “That is the difference between President Mohammed’s position and the team owner’s position. President Mohammed is looking out for the future of the sport.

“Mohammed gets it. He’s a racer and he understand the series needs to have one or two more teams. It is an FIA championship, and it holds most of the cards to get the Expression of Interest going.

“Stefano was very happy when we brought up the name ‘Cadillac.’ It’s going to be huge for Formula 1, as well. Formula 1 is growing so much in the United States, to bring General Motors and Cadillac into Formula 1 was very big for all sides considered. It’s a powerful thing to bring Formula 1 into the United States.”

Describing Zak Brown and Alpine as “two very good allies” to the project, Andretti says those who believe Cadillac would just be a sponsor are mistaken and he is determined to prove his opponents wrong.

“Cadillac will be very much involved in the manufacturing of the car,” he said. “If we get in, in 2025, there won’t be a new engine yet, so we would have to go with a formula that is used now, but in 2026 there are various things we can do with another engine manufacturer. It would not be a badged engine, because there would be intellectual property from Cadillac in that engine, so that is not a badged engine.

“You have to stay focused on your job and not listen to the naysayers. I actually use the naysayers as motivation. It’s always fun to shut them up.”

Very honest assessment of the situation from Andretti. Let's see which party is the strongest in this saga. FIA vs. Liberty vs. the 8 teams that oppose.
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If a new team comes in, how can you demonstrate that you're bringing in more money than it's actually costing?
Costing here, I think, means in the dilution of prize funds ..... put more money on the table than I stand to lose in the dilution of prize funds.


Current prize fund distribution among 10 Teams:






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Saw another take, that the pot grows with another team, by more TV revenues. So everyone gets a smaller piece, but of a bigger pie?
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Originally Posted by 00TL-P3.2
Saw another take, that the pot grows with another team, by more TV revenues. So everyone gets a smaller piece, but of a bigger pie?
That was the whole argument that Wolff made when he argued against Andretti joining last year. Only by bringing manufacturers (Porsche and Audi) will the pot grow. So now that Andretti is bringing in Cadillac, they are planning to move the goal post.
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Is a Super Bowl ad outside of the cost cap?
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Cadillac shooting their whole wad on one ad. lol
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Not much interest in the SB, but will have to look this ad up afterward.
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Not much interest in the SB, but will have to look this ad up afterward.
These days, most of the ads are leaked prior to the super bowl.
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That works for me, too.
Watching for their official 2026 merch to start getting released, too.
Being the resident VB fan, I'll have to get a couple items.
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So giddy to see Bottas back in the car. Good timing with the new '26 regulations too, I hope to see a lot of shakeups and this bodes well for the season
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As the resident VB fan, I'm hoping it works out. Not holding my breath for a Brawn GP moment, but hope they aren't mobile chicanes at the back.
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As the resident VB fan, I'm hoping it works out. Not holding my breath for a Brawn GP moment, but hope they aren't mobile chicanes at the back.
Apex GP
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Well, hopefully more than 1 [unlikely] win, if that's the case. And VB/SP shouldn't be taking each other out via ego.
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