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Yup, I bet your neighbor is looking to add a Powerwall to their solar array.
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The car is trash but they're just continuing to float on the high they got from the tax credit

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Tesla critic who predicted 80% value decline admits mistake: ‘I was wrong’

A Clinical Professor of Marketing at NYU who predicted that Tesla is poised to lose 80% or more of its value has admitted that he was wrong about the electric car maker. In a recent appearance at a podcast with veteran tech journalist Kara Swisher, Scott Galloway explained that it was a mistake for him to bet against Tesla, partly due to the strength of the company’s products.

Earlier this month, Galloway caused some heated discussions on social media after he posted a list of companies that are overvalued and those that he believes are poised to disappear, or at least lose 80% of their value. Among these companies was Tesla, whom Galloway noted did not have “the scale to compete in a well-run, low-margin business — auto.”

Tesla’s third-quarter earnings results vastly changed the narrative for the electric car maker. While year-on-year revenue dropped, the company returned to profitability, exceeding Wall Street’s estimates. This resulted in a rally that pushed TSLA stock past the $300 mark, providing a good, long, and painful burn to short-sellers in the process. Far from Galloway’s prediction, Tesla actually started moving towards increasing its value, not losing it.

In a recent post on Twitter, Galloway humbly noted that “I was wrong on Tesla!” though he noted that WeWork, another one of the companies he predicted will lose 80% or more of its value, remains a “cautionary tale around dual-class shareholder companies.” In his discussions at the Pivot podcast, Galloway noted that he believed poor corporate governance and a lack of profits will cause Tesla’s steep fall this year, but that was not to be the case.


Galloway also mentioned that one of his mentors had emphasized that it is never wise to “bet against a company with a great product,” and this is something that is starting to be very true for Tesla. This, according to Galloway, was part of the reason why he missed his prediction, which is quite ironic considering that he is a Model X owner and he has admitted to being fond of the all-electric SUV.

While a Tesla owner, Galloway has maintained a critical stance on Tesla and its leadership. Earlier this year, Galloway noted that TSLA stock will likely go below $100 per share as the company “comes undone.” He also pointed to Tesla’s “catastrophic senior-level turnover” and CEO Elon Musk’s lack of “control of his emotions.” He also described Tesla’s board as “weakest” in the United States.

Furthermore, Galloway has taken issue with Musk’s informal leadership style, noting in a video last year that tech innovators such as the Tesla CEO, Twitter’s Jack Dorsey, and Google’s Larry Page are not acting like men. In his criticism, Galloway told the executive that they should “put down the blunt, put on a tie, and show up.”
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People were buying huge chunks of Nov and Jan monthly $220 puts today.




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Walmart sues Tesla over solar panel fires at seven stores

  • Walmart is suing Tesla for breach of contract after Tesla solar panels ignited atop seven of its stores.
  • Tesla and Walmart have been partners on clean energy initiatives for years; dozens of Walmart stores have Tesla solar rooftops and Power Pack batteries installed on-site.
  • Walmart has also pre-ordered at least 45 Tesla electric semi-trucks to add to its vehicle fleet.
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S&P Global revises Tesla debt outlook to positive


S&P Global Ratings on Wednesday revised its outlook on Tesla Inc. TSLA, +1.08% bonds to positive, from negative, pinning it on the Silicon Valley car maker's "recent debt reduction and stronger-than-expected cash flow." The debt ratings agency kept its rating on Tesla debt at B-, about the middle of the pack in junk bonds. "The positive outlook reflects an increased likelihood that Tesla's credit metrics will improve more than our base-case projection because of higher demand and manufacturing-related efficiencies," S&P Global said. Tesla stock added to gains after the news, and was recently trading 2% higher. The shares have lost nearly 3% this year, contrasting with gains of 23% and 18% for the S&P 500 index SPX, +0.53% and the Dow Jones Industrial Average. DJIA, +0.70%
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Time for the media and analysts to start pumping the stock!
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Tesla’s Model 3 Success Hits BMW the Hardest


Two years after the Model 3’s rocky debut, drivers like Woodruff have startled automakers with a sudden rush toward electric vehicles. In the U.S., Tesla’s sedan has taken over the luxury class, outselling the category-defining BMW 3 Series and Mercedes Benz C-Class combined. And it’s doing so at a higher price: The average Model 3 goes for around $50,000, which is more than any of the top 10 vehicles that buyers traded in from other brands, according to responses to Bloomberg’s Model 3 owners survey. No other sedan in America is generating more revenue.




We asked 5,000 Model 3 owners about their previous cars and whether they’ll ever go back to them. Some of the most common trade-ins, somewhat surprisingly, were economy cars: Honda’s Accord and Civic, the Toyota Camry, and the Mazda 3. But as a percentage of a brand’s total sales, no one has been hurt more by Tesla’s success than BMW, the responses show.

As the Model 3 enters its third year—soon to be followed by the Model Y compact SUV—Tesla must prove that its wide appeal so far isn’t just a temporary rush of early adopters. Will most brand loyalists and economy-car buyers stick to their old habits? Or is Tesla repeating what Apple Inc. did with the phone: convincing consumers to fundamentally reassess how they value an established product?






Car customers are fairly predictable: They stick with vehicles that are similar to the ones they drove before. Brand loyalties are even passed down across generations. Tesla, so far, has broken these loyalties with the allure of new technology, high performance, and environmental sustainability.

The Silicon Valley automaker is on pace by early next year to become the first company in the world to sell one million electric vehicles. To maintain its lead, it must continue to draw customers away from gasoline cars—not just from the relatively small field of competing electric and hybrid vehicles. The chart below shows where Tesla’s customers have come from.






"I’ve owned three BMW 3 Series and was a
diehard BMW fan. The Tesla blows those cars away."


While Tesla took the largest number of customers from Toyota, it affects the Japanese automaker very little. That’s because Toyota’s market share in the U.S. is enormous—more than 7 times greater than that of BMW or Audi.

The following chart orders the survey’s trade-in results in a different way: as a proportion of a brand’s U.S. sales. It shows BMW to be the automaker with the most to lose—almost five times more vulnerable than Mercedes-Benz. One explanation is that the two brands, while both competing in the same price segments, target different definitions of “luxury.” Mercedes is built for comfort and class, while BMW is defined by its driving performance. Comfort and class are hard to measure; for performance, you take the car to the track.

The editors at Motor Trend magazine tested the Model 3 against the BMW 3 Series and found that the “Model 3 wins this competition because it has thoroughly rewritten the rules of what a compact sports sedan can be.” BBC’s Top Gear ran the Model 3 against BMW’s more expensive M3 at Thunderhill Raceway Park in California, where the Tesla won by 2 seconds. The magazine cover screamed, “Electric Beats Petrol! Tesla Model 3 Outguns BMW M3.”





"Anytime somebody gets behind the wheel, it’s
very well received. We have one friend that actually
bought one within the week after she drove ours."

Tesla doesn’t spend money on advertisements: No Facebook or Twitter ads, no lavish magazine spreads, no paid endorsements by actor Matthew McConaughey, no Super Bowl ads. Instead, Tesla relies on splashy product events, the Twitter stream of Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk, and word of mouth. In the Bloomberg survey, almost 99% of Model 3 owners said they would recommend one to their friends or family—and many of them already have. In follow-up calls with a dozen survey respondents, every owner we talked to described taking friends or family members on test drives.






Owners were most split over the impact of government subsidies. In Norway, which heavily taxes gasoline-fueled cars and subsidizes electric vehicles, more than 88% of respondents said subsidies swayed their purchase. In Switzerland, the government recently approved an ambitious target to increase electric-vehicle adoption but has so far been unable to agree on the incentives, such as purchase subsidies, to make it happen.

The U.S. federal tax break for electric cars is designed to phase out after a company’s sales reach 200,000 units. Beginning in January 2020, Tesla will be the only automaker whose customers don’t receive a U.S. incentive.



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As soon Germany increases the EV tax credit the Model 3 starts winning awards?

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Speaking of Germany. GF4 will be Berlin, gonna use that $2 billion that FCA will give them next year in credits to build the Berlin plant. Gotta love being able to spend your lazy competition’s money to build your plant.

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Consumer Reports no longer recommends the Tesla Model 3

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Cybertruck unveil in ~57 minutes
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That thing is nuts. Crazy looking, like a modern DeLorean. $40k intro price is crazy. This was the best part of the livestream


gonna have to keep working on that boys
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Tesla Inc
335.46 USD −19.37 (-5.46%)

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Ford
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General Motors
35.44 USD +0.78 (2.24%)

Toyota Motor Corp
142.67 USD +0.68 (0.48%)
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That thing is nuts. Crazy looking, like a modern DeLorean. $40k intro price is crazy. This was the best part of the livestream

https://youtu.be/ARb5fkQKO_c

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Absolute trash. Looks horrible.
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Exactly! Why doesn’t the F117 look like the F 16 or F 15!?
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Tesla Inc
335.46 USD −19.37 (-5.46%)
I knew the price was going to drop today, if I knew how to short a stock I would’ve. If I did, I would’ve cheered when they broke both windows
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It seems Panasonic may’ve finally gotten its shit together

TESLA PANASONIC BATTERIES - UPDATE 20191130

There have been a number of interesting developments taking place at GF1 over the last six months

The time has come for a fresh review of progress made, as far as we can see it.

1. Panasonic has reported that GF1 was operating at 30 GWh annualized capacity as of the end of a October 2019, and that it has installed the equipment required to ramp up to 35 GWh, which we have been expecting to come on line before the end of the year






2. This chart from Panasonic illustrates the progress that they have made since commencing GF1 operations in mid-2017

Blue shows their EV Battery plants in Japan

Orange shows GF1

Panasonic’s 2020 Q3 is equivalent to Tesla’s 2019 Q4




3. And it illustrates some of the challenges experienced in the past

- FY 2018 capacity was much lower than the design capacity of 35 GWh, making high overhead costs a dominant element in product costs
- even as extra capacity was added, average FY 2019 volume was still only at about half of the design level required for consistent profitability

- and battery supply volumes have been a continuous constraint on Tesla’s vehicle output as the Model 3 ramp gained momentum

4. By mid-2019 cell volumes were still only at about 24 GWh, equivalent to about 93,000 M3 vehicles per quarter

5. Finally in the second half of 2019 big progress has been made to close the gap, and FY 2020 Q4 shows the facility steadily operating at the full 35 GWh level

6. This 35 GWh translates to about 135,000 Model 3s per quarter or about 540,000 per year, which provides one measure of the Fremont potential output for 2020 Q1

7. Fremont Model 3 production rate may now be capable of ~1,300 units per day, or about 118,000 units per quarter


8. Which suggests that about 17,000 average battery packs per quarter may be available for Model Y - or about 20,000 SR battery packs per quarter to support GF3 in the short term until LG Chem cell supply takes over

9. Panasonic’s GF3 cell costs during the initial ramp-up stage would naturally have been dominated by the challenge of absorbing relatively high fixed Overhead costs on a small base of production

10. As volume increased, the Overhead cost component gets spread out over a larger volume and three other primary cost drivers become important determinants of unit cell costs :

- Materials costs, which are relatively fixed per cell unit, with some cost effects from cell chemistry and materials price variations
- Equipment and Labour costs, which are relatively fixed per production line, and therefore unit costs per cell become primarily dependent on the speed of the production line
- Quality costs, which include normal waste materials from the production process as well as the cost of rejected cells and cells that perform lower than optimal levels

11. During this summer Tesla and Panasonic implemented a chemistry upgrade for Model 3 cells transitioning from what we may call “A” chemistry to “C” chemistry (where “B” and “D” chemistries apply to Energy Storage cells)

12. It is likely that this new chemistry reduced product costs, but we currently have no data to estimate that benefit. But the primary goal of the new chemistry was actually to improve cell performance, and we have some data to estimate that

13. About two years ago 4,416 cells of 2170 size were require to build a 75 kWh Model 3 battery pack, as illustrated by a Jack Rickard teardown of a used Model 3 in June 2018

This rates each cell at 16.98 Wh each of useable capacity

14. Today we estimate that Tesla can build a 75 kWh Model 3 battery pack with 4,067 cells

This rates each cell at 18.44 Wh each, for a +8.6% improvement in useable cell capacity


15. Some of this will naturally have come from improvements in the production process which have taken place over time, but most of this will have come from the recent upgrade in cell chemistry

16. The original cell production equipment was scaled for 300,000 cells per day, and with fixed equipment and labour costs this output level therefore determined the unit cost per cell of Equipment and Labour from the primary production process

17. Starting earlier this year Panasonic began upgrading the existing lines to 400,000 cells per day from 300,000

And by September 2019 the line configuration was :

3 lines at 400,000 = 1,200,000 per day

10 lines at 300,000 = 3,000,000 per day

for a total of 4,200,000 per day

18. As per Panasonic’s comments, all the equipment is now installed to complete this upgrading, and by 2019 year end the line configuration will look like :

13 lines at 400,000 = 5,200,000 cells per day


19. This 5,200,000 cells per day will deliver the promised 35 GWh of cells per year

Which is equivalent to 18.44 Wh per cell

20. Apart from providing the increased output needed by Tesla, this +33% production line rate increase has the effect of reducing the Equipment and Labor components of cell costs by -25% on a unit basis

21. We do not know the exact breakdown of Panasonic’s original budget for the 2170 cell costs, but it is reasonable to assume that Equipment and Labor might have been about $50 out of a $140 price structure, or say 35% of the price
22. A -25% reduction is therefore worth about 8.75% of the price

23. At the same time, product performance has improved by +8.6%

24. So you are getting 108.6% of the original product performance for 91.25% of the price

25. This represents an overall improvement of +19.0%


26. Just for purposes of illustration, if that original $142 was in fact an accurate representation of Tesla’s cell cost per kWh (and we currently have no way to confirm that) it means that an adjusted price could now be closer to $119 per kWh

27. Along the way of making this progress, we can also expect that Panasonic’s Quality costs will have come down significantly

28. Machine upgrades typically incorporate learning that reduces normal waste materials

29. And higher production rates with the improved chemistry indicate that Panasonic has also been able to improve cell performance consistency and significantly reduce rejection rates of finished product

30. Looking at this progress from Panasonic’s point of view, it should clearly illustrate the value of working closely with Tesla on optimising production characteristics together with the cell chemistry, which is entirely determined by Tesla




31. And Tesla’s high volume of vehicle production has given Panasonic the opportunity to design and build higher-volume cell production lines which they could not have done working with anyone else in the industry



32. No other auto manufacturer comes anywhere close to equaling Tesla’s scale in battery deployment
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The similarities to another narcissist



At 2:10 mark

"When he [Musk] went into court, for about the first 10 minutes on the stand, this was his body language. And he was drinking water occasionally like this"





At 3:00 mark

"The interesting thing is, Unsworth had earlier been seeking financial documents from Elon Musk to find out exactly how much he's worth... something Musk has been fighting and says is unnecessary. Another billionaire not wanting to let you know exactly how much he's worth."
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