Metro Acura - 9377 Autoplex St, Montclair, CA 91763

 

Dealers = Greedy bastards

 

Good god…

Granted they added accessories but that’s more than a TLX Type S MSRP with that market adjustment 🤣

I hope no one is dumb enough to pay $10K extra.

 

Took me a minute to see it but holy fuck!

 

What a bunch of scumbags

 

Watch out for the "Made in India" Transmissions.

 

What in the flying f*ck...why is Honda's 6MT made in India!? No offense to India whatsoever, but that's like VW made in Mexico...My Accord's 6MT, although engine and car were built in Ohio had transmission built and shipped from Japan. Probably because it shares the transmission with CTR but still.

 

Made in India? Da Fuck?

 

$60K for an Integra, or $55K for a track-prepped Si.

https://hpd.honda.com/Articles/Touring/CivicSi

I think $55K is actually pretty fair pricing, and an absolute steal compared to a $60K Integra.

 

So we are writing off the Integra because one dealer loaded it up with a hefty price tag. Pretty typical silliness with the usual suspects.

 

It seems it's always a two-note song -- either the car is so terrible it's not selling and dealers are offering discounts OR "look, they're marking it up so much, it's not worth the money." We've seen it with the new TLX, the new MDX and now the Integra. I'm the first to agree that some of these idiot dealers are out of their mind with the markups and add-ons they're pushing. But the response is easy -- just move on and find a dealer who isn't looking for the next sucker to fleece.

The new Integra vastly outperforms the heritage versions (except GSR and Type R) in every category -- acceleration, HP, handling, MPG, amenities, ride, etc. and does so at a price that is within $1K (for an ASpec Tech) of the wonderful '91 LS we owned. Hopefully, there's a Type S waiting in the wings. The car has generated a lot of positive interest for Acura (notwithstanding the naysayers who quibble about whether it makes more or less HP (or the same) as the Civic SI or whether it's an "authentic" Integra) and seems to be selling well.

I'm pretty sure Acura is pretty happy with the market's response to this new car, regardless of what gets written on this board.

 

But herein shows the underlying issue with the brand: they put out a decent product but the price is one of the biggest parts of the equation because a $30K car vs a $60K car when the quality is lacking in spots is a huge difference. Dealers are doing whatever they want to and Acura just shrugs. "Just go to another dealer," is okay if you have options but some of these markets don't.

The brand seems to keep shooting itself in the foot and there may be bright spots short-term but long-term maybe not so much (hence why the MDX-S is now piling up on lots).

 

Acura (and most, if not all, mfrs, are trying to keep dealers in line on MSRP, but they are subject to antitrust and dealer-friendly state laws that limit the degree to which the companies can lean on the dealers. Some cities seem worse than others, but I believe our local Acura dealers are selling at MSRP. If you happen to live somewhere that's not true, you're right -- the only option is to allow the old laws of supply and demand to begin working again. The problem there, however, is that some mfrs (including Honda) are realizing they can do quite well by using a system closer to a make to order style instead of loading up dealer lots with hundreds of cars in the hope of snaring impulse buyers who decide on a Friday that they are going to buy a car on Saturday. I fear the days of leveraging a dealer's (or competitors') lotload of cars for a better price aren't going to be back for awhile, if ever..

As for the MDX-S, in my city there are 4-5 currently for sale, versus a total of 21 MDXs in dealers' inventory. They seem to be turning over quite well, especially for a $60K+ vehicle.

 

At this point they may be marking them up just to keep a display model in the dealership. Based on my limited sampling the car seems to be selling well. If these were normal times with $1-2K discounts and adequate inventory I think they’d be flying off the lot.

 

MDX Type S is piling up on lots?? Really now? LOL! Depends on what part of the country you are in. My dealer has...zero...and ALL the ones that came in were ordered by customers,
and IF someone backed out, it was sold within a day or two. They can't get near enough of...any Acura...to meet demands. And for many yrs they were...maybe still are....within the top
10 Acura dealers in the country. They still are within their district...#1. And their District goes all the way in to parts of California. Integras are starting to move as they get them. They've kept
their "show and tell and drive" one, and will for awhile longer. It helps sell the cars. So, I guess all the folks working there don't have to worry about their feet!! Uhhh...getting shot up!!

 

My local small-volume dealer has 12 MDX-S in inventory, out of 25 total new Acuras.

As to how you're still not banned on this forum is a bigger mystery than MDX-S inventory. The stuff I've seen you write to people over the last few years is appalling, to say the least.

 

He is right though loki. Most Acura dealerships have no problems selling MDX Type S, especially the Advance models. The Tech Type S are a bit of a harder sell hence why they actually have a loyalty incentive on them. Our dealership is on the larger side and I cant keep Type S advances in stock, and we have two Tech's in stock. I am not sure why your dealership is having a problem selling them. Maybe they are overcharging?

 

Appalling..??? Wow...better look up that word, then IF that is true, why so many Likes, and haven't received any Moderator "slap on the hands!!" There are haters, and then
there are others who are smarter than that. I write info that is from experience and homework. You are obviously a hater.

 

Thank you!! I guess I'm not "appalling!" How BS is that. I know my cars. Owned 11 Acuras now, 10 from one dealer. 45 new cars owned, over 70 vehicles owned in my life.
I've known more dealer GM's than most people have friends.
It always depends what part of the country, the particular Dealer's allocations, how the ownership chooses to mark up vehicles, etc. So, what I said about my dealer is SPOT ON..
for them and this District. They wish they could get more Type S MDX's. Again, ANY Acura model. They sell all they can get. At MSRP...as I've said before. I guess that's "appalling" to
loki...since all he sees is what's in front of him on his "low volume" problem child area dealer. Something is certainly "different" in that part of the world. IF all those MDX Type S's are NOT
sold....need to be verified....then my dealer would love to have them!!

Many sides to all situations. It's APPALLING that loki isn't smart enough to understand that. Now watch..."I'm APPALLING" for throwing shade on him!! LOL!!

 

I'm still trying to find a dealer that will entertain a test drive. My local one (a new one mind you) has a demo unit, but will only do test drives after numbers are agreed to in person (whatever that means). I told them I don't want to waste anyone's time because I have no intention of paying more than sticker for it, and haven't heard since. Scratch another dealership off my list. I least I guess this one allows test drives; the other local dealership wouldn't even let people sit in the demo TLX Type S that they got. Honestly it feels like Acura is trying to push me to just wait for the GR Corolla or Supra 6MT I'm on the waitlist for.

 

Oh hey we have a new leader: $65,780!

 

That makes me angry. The nerve of them. After adding at least $15k over the price of the added stuff they then throw in an explicit $5K markup. What’s gotten into some of these stealerships? That shit is simply tragic.

 

Someone will pay it too. When I bought my Type-R I couldnt believe what some dealers were marking it up to.

 

Yeah man, it pisses me off too. The Integra is supposed to be an entry-level car for Acura, but the price right now for it is not obtainable to the target buyer.

 

Take a look at the Integra Talk forum. Plenty of people buying Integras for MSRP plus whatever options they select.

 

And it’s a demo model with over 200 miles

 

I read in the comments section of a YouTube video that featured the Civic Si that dealerships around the country are marking the car up by as much as $8,000. Capitalism at its finest. This is definitely not a good time to buy a car.

 

Before the Integras arrived at dealerships, my wife and I thought we'd test a Civic SI to see how we liked it, and whether we liked the powertrain enough to be interested in the Integra. Long story short, there was not a single one to be seen in person in our metro area, which has at least 10 Honda dealers. At least our Acura dealers have a few Integras in stock at the moment (likely already sold and awaiting pick up), but they don't have the configuration we want. We're being told that an August-November time frame is likely what we should expect. Crazy. But our dealer does not add ADM, and will follow our directions on what dealer-added options we want. So we wait.

 

Calm down, Colonel Kurtz.

 

This is my local dealership


For the ones coming in without dealer add ons they want $45k. No thanks.

 

What a joke.

 

This is a USA problem, not a world problem. NOWHERE else, including right next door in Canada do dealers stack stupid shit on top of more stupid shit and then put a ribbon (ADM) on top of it to double the price of the car. I vowed not to buy another new car until I can order it from the manufacturer. I don't mind, and never have minded paying MSRP. I'll pay whatever factory says. Let me build it online and have it delivered, simple as that. The destination fee that we pay on new cars that is nearly $1500 now should be for that purpose, to have the car shipped to you. The entire franchise dealership model in USA is a dinosaur and needs to die off. There is no reason why anyone should have to spend 6-8 hours going through a careful constructed ringer of dealership manipulation tactics (delay, delay, delay, stress you out, tire you out, hunger you out, tag team you, turn you against whoever you came with, etc.). There is an entire science behind dealership business tactics. The game is rigged. The table is tilted. I've been to dealerships in Serbia (they call them car salons there), you go in, tell them what you want, everything is fixed price, no nonsense, no endless games, you pick and choose, wait few weeks, maybe a month, car gets delivered, end of story. I have family in Switzerland, it's the same process - pick and choose, order, done.

 

FWIW they also had an HRV marked up to $37,359. It's a combo Acura/Honda dealership, which is actually a bit weird and probably explains some of the gouging.

 

Holy shit? Is that the new HR-V or the outgoing model?

I know for a fact that Honda is selling a low volume ofHR-Vs and they're currently the only model in the lineup that is dedicated to the dealership loaner fleet ATM.

How the HR-V is being marked up is beyond me
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Dealers like this are obviously attempting to take advantage of the mismatch that currently exists between supply and demand for new cars. I hope people take note of the tactics of those that are running this ADM or MSRP+ scheme and remember them well when supply and demand come back into balance. I also hope people can be patient and find a dealer that doesn't play these games.

The local dealership family with which I now deal exclusively doesn't pull this kind of crap. That tells you a lot about a business -- suck the last dollars out of a consumer's wallet versus building a customer relationship mentality.

 

This 6MT sold on Cars&Bids for pretty much MSRP about 3 weeks ago locally in IL where I live. I was curious why seller sold it with 50 miles on the odometer for virtually zero profit (actually a loss considering taxes and fees when bought new, that's IF he got it for MSRP). Today I find out that it surfaced at the nearby Honda dealership with another 42 miles (probably merciless miles from salesmen taking joy rides). But instead of $38K - it's now $50K

Cars&Bids: https://carsandbids.com/auctions/37v...integra-a-spec

Current listing: https://www.brilliancehonda.com/used...769f8f9ced.htm

Nice price gouging by the dealer!

 

So 50k used? I think they know something about the chip market they aren't letting out.

 

I hope that guy took a loss on the sales tax and docs. He claimed he's selling it because he felt obligated to buy it even though he didn't want it; what a crock of bull.

 

I got a call back from the dealership I went to who was asking for $57K for the Integra. Apparently they've removed the $5000 markup...what a deal! But there's still $14K worth of dealer installed crap that makes it a $52K car. They're going to have to take a bath on that one; I guess they couldn't even find one idiot to pay that much for the car.