mvl

It is good for the brand to see this demand level. Hopefully it is something they can ramp production up on, if my math was close and there really was only 1000 allocation given to dealers in 2023, they would need a huge assembly line reassignment to get anywhere near 10000 demand.

I never learned to drive a manual, so not in the market for this, but did reserve a CVT tech on Turo for a business trip in a month, would be fun to experience the Integra a little bit. My RSX just got out of winter hibernation and it was fun to drive it the past few days. Would have been the first in the prorder line for the Integra if they had a 2-door. With these ITS demand levels, maybe the dream isn't completely dead that Ikeda can convince Honda corporate to greenlight a 2door.

Tony Pac

I believe Acura will keep the Type S a low production to keep the hype high, at least for the nearer future.

ELIN

With the current attitudes towards sedans, I doubt 2-door versions get any love in the "think tank".

Tony Pac

Agreed!

I highly doubt if Acura will ever bring a 2 door version. I am very grateful that Acura actually built the amazing TLX and Teggy along with the Type S versions. This is already HUGE!!!! And Teggy in MANUAL. This is simply WOW WOW WOW! That's why there are thousands of people that are willing to pay the big bucks to get a Teggy TYPE S. Imagine, mega car manufactures don't invest in manual and Acura with its size went ahead and impress the world with their decision.

sonyfever

Congrats to all that pre-ordered the car! I was thinking about pre-ordering one just for the sake of getting to see and sit in the car, until I found white was not available. While looking at the ITS webpage, I noticed the shift knob is all-metal like CTR, but in the official interior video, the shift knob is partially leather wrapped like the old TSX/TL. I wonder which one is the final version?

mvl

I recall (from the Serra video) that there is a dealer installed accessory shift knob upgrade, explains why two types are shown in pictures.

trancemission

I love the look of this car. I bought my 2021 CTR new. I was watching videos about the ITS the other day and my wife looked at me and said "you'd really give up the CTR for that?" That is the real question. I think for me it would be more for creature comforts rather than driving experience.

I should stay away from this thread now that I think about it.

ELIN

If you paid any ADM on your CTR, you're better off forgetting the ITS.

mvl

Just saw the savagegeese ITS video with a behind the scenes Marysville factory tour, they said the factory makes identical-color batches of 1500 ITS at a time, and with white and blue at the California press event that means at least 3000 were already made and will be in showrooms any day now. And with 7 announced colors for MY23, that means at least 10500 for MY23 so this won't be as rare as previously thought.

Legend2TL

mvl

Of course as I was jumping around videos I missed the part where Acura will be throttling ITS delivery cadence. At least we know there are 3000 sitting in a warehouse somewhere....

Tony Pac

I was just about to share it. Thanks for the quick post. Finished watching it. WOW! Beautiful video by these guys and an amazing car by Acura

MDXAccord

Too bad some of us a priced out with $72k OTD.

NwTSXmt

Seen one today over 10K worth of ADM and dealer extras

Shadow2056

As an sales consultant of Honda, I'm not a fan of the addendums too much. Like, we have a "protection package" that adds $3900 to the MSRP. I'm 50/50 on it. I don't like them because it's 1. An objection we already have to deal with when customers ask about it and say "I don't want it." There's no "Well we can get one from a truck we have coming in" like it used to be. Now every new car has it. 2. You're putting people $4k over(that's $80-100 in payment for some). Now when they come back in 2-4yrs, they're 4k upside down. And of course you're not gonna give them that $4k back.

I'm for it because it's helping recoup money. Our dealership used to sell 250-300 cars a month. Now we're down to 120-150 both new AND used. We don't do "market adjustment" where we're charging you $4k and giving you absolutely nothing for it but the ability to buy the car. THAT is the part I don't like. Seeing dealers charging "market adjustment". Now the people the car was originally meant for, it's no longer in their budget. Honda/Acura need to get their dealers to understand something: People might like the ITS and CTR but unless they're making $100k/.yr and have extra money to spend, no one is going to want to spend $60k on a CTR and $70-80k on a ITS. Especially when you can get cars that completely out rank, out drive, and over power both of those cars for the same or less.

Legend2TL

MDXAccord

The dealerships are in their last breath, and they aren’t helping themselves. A lot of people paying over MSRP easily make it up with their Social Media. The rest are screwed and will have to pay MSRP for a used one with 50k miles on the clock….

MDXAccord

*on* their last breath….

Tony Pac

A great summary of Tegyy TYPE S: https://jalopnik.com/2024-acura-inte...red-1850556633

JM2010 SH-AWD

I think this captures the essence of the ITS (and its lesser cousin, the 1.5 Integra). These cars will hardly win any keyboard spec-sheet show-downs. What they both will do (1.5 and 2.0) is provide a joy of driving that is missing from most cars today, including a lot of lower trim BMWs. The shifting with the 6MT is sublime (and I'll confess, I leave rev match on because it's really good). The steering feel and grip are very good. With the 6MT, the cars' LSD pulls you out of turns as the turbo spools up to peak torque. They are just a blast to drive in an automotive world that is quickly turning to four-wheeled appliances.

Shadow2056

Crazy thing is I found out the Acura in Charlotte, NC isn't charging mark up on the ITS they just got in. No package. Just MSRP.

Dealers aren't really going to go anywhere unless they go to a Tesla type thing. Buy online. Show up at dealer for delivery. Only part is, doing that cuts out any possibility of people with less than stellar credit getting a loan. I've gotten people done with bad credit that their credit union wouldn't touch.

Legend2TL

MDXAccord

Weird Canyon Acura in Anaheim wants $83k smh

Legend2TL

sonyfever

Checked out ITS in person, and what a lovely, good looking car it is - looks very cohesive, and screams performance in all the details. Made me want to drive it away, even though I am not in the market. Had a short chat with salesperson, but did not bother asking numbers - negotiable markup as usual is what I know. No test drive as the demo car was sold already.

Congrats to Acura, well executed and a true winner. No excuses needed!

Tony Pac

Acura really did their homework with Teggy and Teggy TYPE S. Also, we have to give Acura team credit for their consistent great work of delivering one car better than the other since summer 2018 (3rd Gen RDX).Well done Acura and team!

Gregg

Correct...the stock knob is aluminum wrapped with something (It doesn't feel like leather to me), while the accessory knob is actually the same part number as the optional S2000 titanium knob.

Gregg

And they were incredibly easy to work with. Hendrick Acura on Independence...the only one within about 50mi of Charlotte. I highly recommend!

Shadow2056

I take it you got the ITS?

fiatlux

Acura basically copied Honda’s homework this time around, which is why these cars are so great. Peak Acura was always when they built off of the great Honda offerings rather than trying to do their own thing for the sake of trying to be different, and this is the perfect example of why that old recipe works so well.

Tony Pac

Honda is the parent company, so we can’t say copied but followed the strategy and vision of the parent that said, good point! This is an amazing news for honda and acura products.

Happy to see the Honda and Acura execs are on the same page and aiming for more success 🙌🏽

fiatlux

No, in this case the car is almost a carbon copy of the Civic Type R, with some slight changes/improvements. It's not "following the strategy and vision"; it's taking the same car and changing maybe 2% of it. And there's nothing wrong with that; if it ain't broke don't fix it.

I just wish they had chosen the same approach with the TLX...

Tony Pac

Fair enough if you're referring to Integra. Agreed that they took the same car and made it more refine and premium to justify the price. But RDX, MDX and TLX aren't CC and MDX is the best seller in its category. Also, based on current sales numbers of Q2. TLX is not doing so bad, considering the sedan market is dying....

YTD Sales numbers!
Audi A4: 8.2K units
Acura TLX: 9.4K units
BMW 3 Series: 14.2K units
Genesis G70: 6.2K units
Infiniti Q50: 3.2K units
Lexus IS: 11K units

It's not like TLX is very far behind the others....Anyway! your point is valid and I still go with Vision and Strategy if it makes you happy to say CC...all good!

ELIN

Where are the C-Class numbers?

Tony Pac

It's not available yet. I checked twice and still a bunch of brands did not release their sales numbers yet. i will keep an eye, if posted, I will share here
Also for reference: https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2023-u...ures-by-model/

Tony Pac

Since, we are in Integra thread, it's important to share where it's standing compared to its German rivals

YTD Sales:
Acura Integra: 16.5K units
Audi A3: 7.8K units
BMW 2 series: 4.2K units
Cadillac CT4 (not sure if it's in the same segment): 5.4K units

Congrats to Acura and team!

Tony Pac

Apparently, MB and Porsche will release their sales numbers later this month. I guess MB needs to reconcile those cars that were “sold”, but in reality they were registered by dealer for one day to show higher sales numbers or want to show fleet cars as non fleet! 😂

Jokes aside, in Europe, specifically Germany, manufacturers do that a lot. They register a car for one day and that’s considered sold and they show higher sales numbers. Not sure if it’s a practice in North America

After all, what we saw with dieselgate scandal , Germans are capable of anything to stay at the top!

leomio2.0

They did, but you're acting like it's still common practice when BMW got caught and are under scrutiny by federal governments for having got caught "cooking the books."

https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2020-223

Old news.

That said, BMW isn't exactly concerned with beating out the likes of Acura. Really only focused on beating out Mercedes and to a lesser extent Audi. Perhaps they're concerned with Lexus, but the two companies have such polar opposite philosophies it's unlikely BMW really cares about Lexus. Acura isn't even on their radar. Much like Acura isn't concerned with what Mitsubishi is doing.

Tony Pac

I agree. They have nothing to worry about Acura. Acura is a small north American brand, whereas BMW sales across the globe. My post wasn't exactly about Acura sales numbers vs. MB, but I laughed when I read that MB is going to post their sales number later this month. Everything is recorded and I am sure a company like MB know by min their inventory and sales numbers...so why wait?? Must be something lol!

mvl

The MDX has always been a souped up Pilot. 4th gen is no different except they waited a few years to get the matching Pilot out. Probably per the comment above that Honda dedicated limited parts to higher end models while there was a shortage.

I see TLX and Accords coming off the same assembly line, there's probably a lot of guts shared there too, but I haven't been paying attention.

The weird one is the 3rd gen RDX. I think that is the only Acura ever made (besides the NSX) that isn't a reskinned Honda. My guess is they were planning to move the CRV to it just like the Pilot, but probably replanned to a new hybrid-capable platform for CRV when gas prices skyrocketed.