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Old Dec 10, 2012 | 12:20 PM
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im thinking they won't release a 6AT with the 2.4 but stick with the 5AT....i believe that honda/acura only mates their 6AT to a v6 and not a 4cyl. they would probably put their CVT.
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Old Dec 10, 2012 | 01:31 PM
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Wow, nice. So the 2.4 is on its way to the auto.

From 1986 to 1995 the Acura Legend flagship was THE model to beat. It sold like crazy and was an industry benchmark. Things have gone downhill since.
I pray it's the K24Z7!!! Moar aftermarket support if the auto guys get it!

I must say obviously your Legend statement has some stance.. 500,000 miles later..
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Old Dec 10, 2012 | 01:32 PM
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They actually are better off putting the 2.4 that's in the new accord. That'd be the smart bet.
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Old Dec 10, 2012 | 01:41 PM
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They actually are better off putting the 2.4 that's in the new accord. That'd be the smart bet.
It's worse for me

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Old Dec 10, 2012 | 01:45 PM
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Don't you have the 6spd?
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Old Dec 10, 2012 | 01:59 PM
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Yeah I have to say I'm pretty pissed.

They could do a 2.4L and 6-speed auto transmission and probably balance the fuel equation.
I don't know the sources, but some over on vtec.net were saying the reason the k24 wasn't offered with an automatic was that it just won't fit in the engine bay. Maybe a new design (i.e. the ED engine with the CVT) will?

The 2.4 is definitely thirstier though. I drive pretty conservatively to get the kind of mileage I do (i'll need to fill up in about 60 miles, but my current tank is at 32.1 according to the MID, which seems pretty accurate when i do fill up) since I do a fair bit of around town driving. The traffic in the philly/south jersey area stinks, but it probably does in most reasonably populated areas!
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Old Dec 10, 2012 | 01:59 PM
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Don't you have the 6spd?
Yeah, I have the 6-Speed.. my thing is though if they increase the amount of K24Z7s being sold that increases the incentive for aftermarket to build for our cars. You dig?
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Old Dec 10, 2012 | 02:00 PM
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http://www.autonews.com/article/2012...-quick-changes

2.4L automatic is on its way...

"The car was planned for a 2.4 automatic, and we're working to fulfill that"
I've heard elsewhere that the current 2.4 L engine and five speed automatic transmission is too long to fit in the engine bay. I remain convinced that the ILX was intended to be the car to introduce Earth Dreams to nNrth America. However, the setback of the Japan earthquake and tsunami pushed the timetable back.

Faced with the difficult choice of whether to push the release of all Earth Dreams cars back by 12 months (creating a "ripple effect" where all cars are a year late), or release what should have been the second vehicle with the technology first, I think Honda chose to release the Accord on schedule, and update the ILX and Civic early.
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Old Dec 10, 2012 | 02:07 PM
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The 2.4 is definitely thirstier though.
Earth Dreams Accord : 27 City / 36 Highway
HP 185 / TQ 181
K24 ILX: 22 City /31 Highway
HP 201 / TQ 170
2.0 ILX: 24 City / 35 Highway
HP 150 / TQ 140

What would YOU want as the average consumer...
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Old Dec 10, 2012 | 02:09 PM
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^ That's the CVT 2.4L Accord stats I should specify
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Old Dec 10, 2012 | 02:58 PM
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Earth Dreams Accord : 27 City / 36 Highway
HP 185 / TQ 181
K24 ILX: 22 City /31 Highway
HP 201 / TQ 170
2.0 ILX: 24 City / 35 Highway
HP 150 / TQ 140

What would YOU want as the average consumer...
Oh, i meant the K24z7 with the current 5speed automatic transmission (i.e. the engine/tranny combo from the automatic TSX). Of course if the new K24w fits with the CVT and improved gas mileage, then yes, of course i'd want that engine over the 2.0
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Old Dec 10, 2012 | 03:09 PM
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Oh, i meant the K24z7 with the current 5speed automatic transmission (i.e. the engine/tranny combo from the automatic TSX). Of course if the new K24w fits with the CVT and improved gas mileage, then yes, of course i'd want that engine over the 2.0
Errr, that makes more sense.. My bad.

I bet the ILX, if fitment is possible, w/ 5AT and the K24 would net a 21/30 MPG.. even though my 09 TSX had the same rating as my ILX (22/31) I am getting a higher average (same driving routes) in the ILX than my TSX. I'd say the ILX 6-Speed is more like 24/33 for me..

My TSX w/ 5AT averaged 25/26 mpg with a 50/50 drive.
My ILX w/ 6MT averages 27-29 mpg with same 50/50 drive.. AND I drive more spirited in my ILX!!!!!!

The best think logistically for Acura to do is put the ED 2.4 in regardless of CVT or not.. because it will net a noticeable power increase AND not lose but 2mpg (5AT) at most over the 2.0 w/ 5AT.. Now add the CVT and you're getting MORE miles per gallon than the current 2.0 w/ 5AT...That would sell like crazy, people would be silly not to buy it. And, judging by what y'all are saying with the fitment issues it seems that's where they'd go with it.


But wouldn't that drive the price up? I hope the best for you guys with the 2.0!
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Old Dec 10, 2012 | 04:26 PM
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Whoa ladies lets not get our panties in a bunch...

http://wot.motortrend.com/sagging-sa...#axzz2EgsHzNOK

Acura spokesman Chuck Schifsky tells us a different story, however. “The ILX is slowly getting up to where we want it to be, and it’s taking quite a while to get the awareness built up, but the 2.0-liter isn’t going anywhere.” As for a 2.4 automatic, Schifsky says there’s no plan for that, either.

Conflicting reports...
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Old Dec 10, 2012 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Trentimus
Errr, that makes more sense.. My bad.

I bet the ILX, if fitment is possible, w/ 5AT and the K24 would net a 21/30 MPG.. even though my 09 TSX had the same rating as my ILX (22/31) I am getting a higher average (same driving routes) in the ILX than my TSX. I'd say the ILX 6-Speed is more like 24/33 for me..

My TSX w/ 5AT averaged 25/26 mpg with a 50/50 drive.
My ILX w/ 6MT averages 27-29 mpg with same 50/50 drive.. AND I drive more spirited in my ILX!!!!!!

The best think logistically for Acura to do is put the ED 2.4 in regardless of CVT or not.. because it will net a noticeable power increase AND not lose but 2mpg (5AT) at most over the 2.0 w/ 5AT.. Now add the CVT and you're getting MORE miles per gallon than the current 2.0 w/ 5AT...That would sell like crazy, people would be silly not to buy it. And, judging by what y'all are saying with the fitment issues it seems that's where they'd go with it.


But wouldn't that drive the price up? I hope the best for you guys with the 2.0!
I am pretty certain that Acura executives have said on record that the ILX will get Earth Dreams technology as soon as it is ready. With the Accord launching with the new engine family, it's apparently ready. Thus it would make sense for the ILX to get them next year. As for driving up the cost, perhaps the cars were priced with these engines in mind? If so, it might be the reason why some feel that these do not represent a good dollar value with the current drivetrains. But, it would allow them to drop in the new ones without impacting the pricing.
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Old Dec 11, 2012 | 10:48 AM
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The sad part about all this hoopla is that in the end it will further hurt sales. John Mendel has started a self fulfilling prophecy: give people the expectation of a 2.4L and people will now stop buying the 2.0L in anticipation... In essence, his statement pretty much ensures the death of the 2.0L... Another shrewd business move by Acura...
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Old Dec 11, 2012 | 10:54 AM
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The sad part about all this hoopla is that in the end it will further hurt sales. John Mendel has started a self fulfilling prophecy: give people the expectation of a 2.4L and people will now stop buying the 2.0L in anticipation... In essence, his statement pretty much ensures the death of the 2.0L... Another shrewd business move by Acura...
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if some more Honda savvy people were waiting on the Earth Dreams to come out.

It's the same if they offered the 2.4L with a 6-Speed then hinted that there could be a Type-S in the future.. I would of waited at least.
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Old Dec 11, 2012 | 11:11 AM
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Why is it sad news? It is what some of us asked for and most of us in the know knew about the potential changes down the road with ED coming. Most people won't even care about the change. Maybe they will continue with the 2.0 as well as the gas mileage may still be better and probably a cheaper option.

Is it woe is me when Audi, BMW, Lexus, Ford, Hyundai etc. make improvements from one year to the next or two. It is they are keeping up with the market. If Acura didn't make a change we would be complaining about that too.

The sales aren't as high as they would like them to be but that is nothing unusual for Acura, they have really never been a huge seller in the market especially as the industry continues to change so quickly.

If they hadn't delayed so long making changes to the RL they may have actually had some sales in the last few years but even in its hay day it wasn't a major seller in the market.
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Old Dec 11, 2012 | 11:23 AM
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Why is it sad news? It is what some of us asked for and most of us in the know knew about the potential changes down the road with ED coming. Most people won't even care about the change. Maybe they will continue with the 2.0 as well as the gas mileage may still be better and probably a cheaper option.

Is it woe is me when Audi, BMW, Lexus, Ford, Hyundai etc. make improvements from one year to the next or two. It is they are keeping up with the market. If Acura didn't make a change we would be complaining about that too.

The sales aren't as high as they would like them to be but that is nothing unusual for Acura, they have really never been a huge seller in the market especially as the industry continues to change so quickly.

If they hadn't delayed so long making changes to the RL they may have actually had some sales in the last few years but even in its hay day it wasn't a major seller in the market.
I agree with your points, Terry.

It's just the tone that Acura put forth...they have made it sound like the 2.0L is a failure. The vice president himself said that it was "underpowered, and consumers don’t see the value"!

I welcome improvements, why denigrate yourself in the process? Why not just say "we are excited about the 2.0L ILX as its continuing to gain in sales (which will continue to go up due to the decline of the TSX) and to further spur sales we will be offering more engine selections in the coming year".

Acura consumers are savvy and value oriented. I feel many more will care about this news than we realize, especially those initially interested in the 2.0L...

My only point is that Acura could have gone about this without shooting themselves in the foot...
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Old Dec 11, 2012 | 11:27 AM
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I agree with your points, Terry.

It's just the tone that Acura put forth...they have made it sound like the 2.0L is a failure. The vice president himself said that it was "underpowered, and consumers don’t see the value"!

I welcome improvements, why denigrate yourself in the process? Why not just say "we are excited about the 2.0L ILX as its continuing to gain in sales (which will continue to go up due to the decline of the TSX) and to further spur sales we will be offering more engine selections in the coming year".

Acura consumers are savvy and value oriented. I feel many more will care about this news than we realize, especially those initially interested in the 2.0L...

My only point is that Acura could have gone about this without shooting themselves in the foot...
Yes you are correct.

It was actually pretty stupid thing to say if he was quoted correctly and or it was in context.
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Old Dec 11, 2012 | 11:31 AM
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Yes you are correct.

It was actually pretty stupid thing to say if he was quoted correctly and or it was in context.
Agreed. Pretty bad business move.
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Old Dec 11, 2012 | 11:36 AM
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Errr, that makes more sense.. My bad.

I bet the ILX, if fitment is possible, w/ 5AT and the K24 would net a 21/30 MPG.. even though my 09 TSX had the same rating as my ILX (22/31) I am getting a higher average (same driving routes) in the ILX than my TSX. I'd say the ILX 6-Speed is more like 24/33 for me..

My TSX w/ 5AT averaged 25/26 mpg with a 50/50 drive.
My ILX w/ 6MT averages 27-29 mpg with same 50/50 drive.. AND I drive more spirited in my ILX!!!!!!

The best think logistically for Acura to do is put the ED 2.4 in regardless of CVT or not.. because it will net a noticeable power increase AND not lose but 2mpg (5AT) at most over the 2.0 w/ 5AT.. Now add the CVT and you're getting MORE miles per gallon than the current 2.0 w/ 5AT...That would sell like crazy, people would be silly not to buy it. And, judging by what y'all are saying with the fitment issues it seems that's where they'd go with it.


But wouldn't that drive the price up? I hope the best for you guys with the 2.0!
you are comparing Pre-MMC and wider tires TSX with ILX. TSX is practically identical with ILX in fuel economic.
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Old Dec 11, 2012 | 11:39 AM
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you are comparing Pre-MMC and wider tires TSX with ILX. TSX is practically identical with ILX in fuel economic.

I am comparing two cars I have owned with the same EPA rating. As stated I get 2 more MPG MINIMUM out of the ILX with a more spirited driving style. I am not saying that would be the same for every person ever or every car.. just my 2 car experiences. Thanks for the clarification though.
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Old Dec 11, 2012 | 09:19 PM
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I am comparing two cars I have owned with the same EPA rating. As stated I get 2 more MPG MINIMUM out of the ILX with a more spirited driving style. I am not saying that would be the same for every person ever or every car.. just my 2 car experiences. Thanks for the clarification though.
Pre-MMC TSX is 21/30. for 5AT.
ILX is 22/31 for 6MT. They dont have same rating.
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Old Dec 12, 2012 | 02:02 AM
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I agree with your points, Terry.

It's just the tone that Acura put forth...they have made it sound like the 2.0L is a failure. The vice president himself said that it was "underpowered, and consumers don’t see the value"!
I think he must be reading Acurazine!

He also said "The current RL has been a flop, ...." ouch. Hope the guys in the RL forum don't see this!
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Old Dec 12, 2012 | 06:04 AM
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Earth Dreams Accord : 27 City / 36 Highway
HP 185 / TQ 181
K24 ILX: 22 City /31 Highway
HP 201 / TQ 170
2.0 ILX: 24 City / 35 Highway
HP 150 / TQ 140

What would YOU want as the average consumer...
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Old Dec 12, 2012 | 08:32 AM
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Pre-MMC TSX is 21/30. for 5AT.
ILX is 22/31 for 6MT. They dont have same rating.
I see where the confusion came in.. I was meaning to say near the same.. which is why I started with the ILX would probably net 21/30 in the very beginning...

I was comparing the 21/30 to the 22/31 and saying it was a real world difference of 2 MPG. It having the same or even nearly the same is negligible. But, I see where my misprint lead to that part.

But, it's whatever I don't know the new facts on the new ILX of 2014. I assume if they make a change they go all the way.. i.e. Earth Dreams + CVT from the accord.
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Old Dec 12, 2012 | 09:31 PM
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Whoa ladies lets not get our panties in a bunch...

http://wot.motortrend.com/sagging-sa...#axzz2EgsHzNOK

Acura spokesman Chuck Schifsky tells us a different story, however. “The ILX is slowly getting up to where we want it to be, and it’s taking quite a while to get the awareness built up, but the 2.0-liter isn’t going anywhere.” As for a 2.4 automatic, Schifsky says there’s no plan for that, either.

Conflicting reports...
http://blogs.automotive.com/exclusiv...#axzz2Etervt10

Looks like the 2.0L's death was exaggerated...
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Old Dec 12, 2012 | 10:20 PM
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Old Dec 12, 2012 | 10:37 PM
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According to the original report we had referenced from Automotive News (solely referenced by your article), Honda executive vice president John Mendel said the ILX with the base engine is”underpowered, and consumers don’t see the value.” Mendel added that an automatic transmission is on the way for the more powerful 2.4-liter version, as originally intended for the car.
Acura spokesman Carter Jung called the implication that 2.0-liter engine would be dropped “pure speculation.” He said the 2.0-liter base engine would continue to be in the ILX’s portfolio.
“We just introduced the ILX this year,” he said. “It’s not being taken from the lineup.”

Seems like one man simply misspoke?
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Old Dec 13, 2012 | 01:47 AM
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According to the original report we had referenced from Automotive News (solely referenced by your article), Honda executive vice president John Mendel said the ILX with the base engine is”underpowered, and consumers don’t see the value.” Mendel added that an automatic transmission is on the way for the more powerful 2.4-liter version, as originally intended for the car.
Acura spokesman Carter Jung called the implication that 2.0-liter engine would be dropped “pure speculation.” He said the 2.0-liter base engine would continue to be in the ILX’s portfolio.
“We just introduced the ILX this year,” he said. “It’s not being taken from the lineup.”

Seems like one man simply misspoke?
The PR guys doesn't set the policy. You have to believe what Mendel said. the PR guy just hasn't got the memo yet.
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Old Dec 13, 2012 | 08:57 AM
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If it wasn't in the works, considering now Mendel is on wax saying it.. bet he gets it done even if the rest of the group wasn't yet on board.
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Old Dec 13, 2012 | 09:12 AM
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I would've fired Mendel...that's what I call an inexcusable pr blunder on his part. He should know better than to denigrate his products/brand. I mean, come on, you work for one of the world's largest automakers, the margin of error is slim.
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Old Dec 13, 2012 | 09:24 AM
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I would've fired Mendel...that's what I call an inexcusable pr blunder on his part. He should know better than to denigrate his products/brand. I mean, come on, you work for one of the world's largest automakers, the margin of error is slim.
I liked how they handled the Civic a lot better... Straight up "We're not embarassed with what we made". The way those two people are on basically saying the 2.0 was a mistake is kinda rough.. That's really alienating your 2.0 customers..

Business wise they should of never said anything.. and when they did the update. "We had intended for this car to have the new Earth Dreams motor all along" then no one feels like Acura doesn't know what they're doing and there are no alienated customers...

I drove the 2.0 and didn't think it was bad at all... It really didn't give me a huge "feeling" difference between my TSX and it (I know it's there) would of done fine on a daily driver. I just wanted more fun so I opt'd for a manual.

Meh.. this situation is obviously not surprising to me but it's just how Acura is handling it. It's like the right hand doesn't know who the left hand is.. let alone what it's doing.
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Old Dec 19, 2012 | 11:56 AM
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http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/12...s-figures.html


Month
Acura ILX
U.S. Sales 2012
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February
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March
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April
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May
168
June
1081
July
1410
August
1733
September
1737
October
1529
November
2108


Month
Acura ILX
Canadian Sales 2012
January
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February
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March
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April
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May
14
June
147
July
285
August
318
September
323
October
400
November
December

Year
Acura ILX
U.S. Sales
9766
Canadian Sales
1487

Looking good!
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/12...s-figures.html

November Canadian Sales
363

so actually a dip from September!

YTD numbers

Year Acura ILX U.S. Sales Acura ILX Canadian Sales
2012 9766 1850
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Old Jan 3, 2013 | 12:28 PM
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December 2012 numbers are out. Really good momentum here!

ILX Sales Since Its Release:
  • June - 1081 units
  • July - 1410 units
  • August - 1733 units
  • September - 1737 units
  • October - 1529 units
  • November - 2108 units
  • December - 2485 units

TSX Sales Since ILX Release:
  • June - 2602 units
  • July - 1980 units
  • August - 2103 units
  • September - 1681 units
  • October - 1577 units
  • November - 1768 units
  • December - 2142 units
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Wow, some strong sales for Acura
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Old Jan 3, 2013 | 01:27 PM
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December 2012 numbers are out. Really good momentum here!

ILX Sales Since Its Release:
  • June - 1081 units
  • July - 1410 units
  • August - 1733 units
  • September - 1737 units
  • October - 1529 units
  • November - 2108 units
  • December - 2485 units

TSX Sales Since ILX Release:
  • June - 2602 units
  • July - 1980 units
  • August - 2103 units
  • September - 1681 units
  • October - 1577 units
  • November - 1768 units
  • December - 2142 units
That's a whole lot of struts they are going to be eventually replacing.
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Old Jan 3, 2013 | 11:17 PM
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Acura sure has been pounding the advertising lately. It must be paying off. RDX sales are up 155% from last year.

And Acura better get the TLX out sooner than later.
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Old Jan 4, 2013 | 09:09 AM
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Good to see an upward trend but I find the hybrid sales more interesting (alarming?). They had wanted 1/4 of the sales to be hybrids but thus far it stands at less than 10%. Hopefully if & when the new ED engines & hybrid system makes it to the ILX, the sales will pick up.


December's Fastest & Slowest Selling Cars
Automakers won't report December sales results until later today, but we have data on the month's fastest and slowest sellers. The redesigned Toyota Avalon hit dealerships in the first week of December, and it stormed the fastest-selling list, with regular and hybrid versions averaging just 8 days apiece on dealer lots. Shoppers moved toward the Ford F-Series Super Duty pickup truck, too. That’s likely a result of an improved construction market; November housing starts hit their 2nd highest rate since mid-2008.

The redesigned Mercedes-Benz GL-Class, which hit dealerships in September, spent its 3rd month among the fastest sellers; the new-for-2013 Subaru XV Crosstrek also marked its 3rd month on the list. Of the 18 fastest-selling cars, 10 were repeat performers, with such regulars as the redesigned Subaru Impreza and new Scion FR-S. The Kia Soul's severe mileage downgrade doesn't seem to have sapped demand, and neither has the popular hatchback's age. It debuted way back in early 2009, but in December it placed among the fastest sellers for the 3rd month in a row.

On the flip side, the Acura ILX spent its 2nd month on the Losers list (the ILX Hybrid made November's list). Have buyers snubbed it for the related and less expensive Civic from parent company Honda? The Civic's substantial updates narrow the quality gap between the 2, and buyers in December flocked toward the revised Honda, which averaged just 10 days on dealer lots. Stay tuned to see how both cars fare in today's sales results.

Cars in December 2012 averaged 33 days to turn. That's an uptick versus both November 2012's 28 days and December 2011's 29 days. As is custom this time of year, we looked only at 2013 inventory in December since dealers have cleared out the majority of 2012s. Here are the fastest and slowest sellers:

December Movers

2013 Mercedes-Benz GL350 Bluetec: 7 days
2013 Subaru XV Crosstrek: 7 days
2013 GMC Acadia: 8 days
2013 Toyota Avalon: 8 days
2013 Toyota Avalon Hybrid: 8 days
2013 Ford F-250 crew cab: 10 days
2013 Ford F-350 crew cab: 10 days
2013 Ford Fusion Hybrid: 10 days
2013 Honda Civic sedan: 10 days
2013 Nissan Pathfinder: 11 days
2013 Subaru Impreza hatchback: 12 days
2013 Audi Q5: 13 days
2013 Mercedes-Benz GL450: 13 days
2013 Scion FR-S: 14 days
2013 Toyota Prius v: 14 days
2013 BMW 328i xDrive sedan: 15 days
2013 Buick Enclave: 15 days
2013 Kia Soul: 15 days

December Losers

2013 Chevrolet Malibu Eco: 135 days
2013 Mazda6: 123 days
2013 Volvo XC90: 99 days
2013 Cadillac Escalade Hybrid: 99 days
2013 Acura ILX Hybrid: 96 days
2013 Smart ForTwo convertible: 91 days
2013 Volkswagen CC: 84 days
2013 Nissan GT-R: 82 days
2013 Kia Forte hatchback: 76 days
2013 Acura ILX: 76 days

Cars.com Picks

2013 Dodge Durango: 52 days
2013 Volkswagen Golf four-door: 54 days
2013 Infiniti EX37: 56 days
2013 Chevrolet Malibu: 57 days
2013 Lexus GS 350: 66 days

About the Lists
The Fastest- and Slowest-Selling Cars list reports the average number of days it takes to sell models from the day they arrive on the lot until the final paperwork is signed by a buyer. This is not a days-of-inventory list like you may find on other websites. We look exclusively at 2013s now, calling the fastest sellers Movers and the slowest ones Losers.

For Movers, we only list vehicles that pass a certain threshold of sales in order to weed out limited editions, ultra-high-performance cars and others that might skew the numbers or otherwise inaccurately portray popularity. To highlight all slow sellers, losers have no such threshold.

Our Picks highlight cars that take a significant time before they're sold and might be overlooked by shoppers. Dealers could be more motivated to sell these cars.
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Old Jan 4, 2013 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by TSX69
Good to see an upward trend but I find the hybrid sales more interesting (alarming?). They had wanted 1/4 of the sales to be hybrids but thus far it stands at less than 10%. Hopefully if & when the new ED engines & hybrid system makes it to the ILX, the sales will pick up.



On the flip side, the Acura ILX spent its 2nd month on the Losers list (the ILX Hybrid made November's list). Have buyers snubbed it for the related and less expensive Civic from parent company Honda? The Civic's substantial updates narrow the quality gap between the 2, and buyers in December flocked toward the revised Honda, which averaged just 10 days on dealer lots. Stay tuned to see how both cars fare in today's sales results.[/INDENT]
This somewhat misses the fact that there was no ILX production for some of Oct-Nov as Honda geared up to build more Civics. Most dealers stocked up on extra cars for the coming months. I know we got a big influx of cars because the production shortfall would affect inventory ~2 months later (for us it's 3 months later)
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