SlaammedILX

Hey guys, so I was talking to Jackson Racing representatives at the annual eibach meet about making a supercharger for the ILX but they need to know if there's a market willing to buy. **IF** they do, how many of you guys would be interested?

Trentimus

I don't really see the market for it as Kraftwerks and CT-E already have kits being sold.

SlaammedILX

Well, Doesn't hurt to have a Jackson racing kit. We could see which one would make more power but I don't think many people are interested

spdandpwr

of course there is going to be a market...the ilx and civic si share the same engine and, thus far, the supercharger applications are available for both vehicles. On the 8th gen, there was a ct-e, jackson, and kraftwerks sc available so I don't see why they wouldn't try making one.

SlaammedILX

Beats the hell out of me, but that's what they both told me.

Trentimus

It's just tough when you're not competitive in the timeline sense.. All those guys are already not wanting to wait.. I am going to guess that's why a lot of the CT-E kits sold, simply because it was available first.

spdandpwr

Yea, but I think where jackson's point of difference lies is in pricing. They've always undercut CT, so if they come in at 1k cheaper like their last kit, they may be able to claim substantial market share. However, their kit does not have the same efficiency the ct one does, especially given that ct revised their manifold...so it definitely won't make the same power.

usdmJON

How many superchargers have been purchased by ilx owners?
Ive seen ONE person say they have; trentimus.

Even if 8 other people have purchased, jackson wont see a need for the time and money they need to spend in R&D.

These cars werent intended to be tuned. And the low number of sales is concreting that idea.

Trentimus

The thing is, Jon, the K24Z7 is the heart of both the ILX and the Civic Si. The Si will have plenty of people buying parts for years to come.

spdandpwr

Two people have bought the s/c from this community; and 15+ have sold for the si from what I've last been told. The kit has only been out for a month.

usdmJON

It doesn't work like that.... trent.. is your name trent?

It is now. lol
A company like Jackson will NOT advertise an SI supercharger to work with an ILX. They just wont, too much liability involved. So it doesn't matter if an SI supercharger will fit. Companies wont make parts for an ILX based on SI AND ILX sales. They cant and wont.

Sure Jackson may release, or may already have released an SI supercharger.

But to make one FOR an ILX the ILX needs more sales and a larger market.

Trentimus

CT-E did it.. Why wouldn't any other company? That COULD make sense but its not the case.. Our intake manifold and motor are LITERALLY the same.. Not close, the same. And, yeah Psunance also bought the CT-E Civic Si/ILX supercharger.

spdandpwr

You were asking broadly who had purchased the kit, so that's why I responded to that point.

spdandpwr

oh yea, and flashpro is marketed to work for both the ilx and the civic si...

spdandpwr

And so is the ct-e shift knob

spdandpwr

And the tein coilovers...

usdmJON

Ok. Let me break it down.

WHen you go to TEIN you buy it specific for the ILX. You dont buy an SI suspension and put it on your ILX... you CAN. But in terms of how tein sees it. No. Yes they have the product number and sku. But if you register with them that you are buying something for an SI and put it on your ILX; if something happens and you have to claim warranty tein will say "Tough luck kid, you misused the part by installing it in an improper way.

Same for Jackson and CT. If their site says it is made for an SI, great you can fit it to your ILX. But if you try to make ANY claims about warranty, you used the part incorrectly because it isn't on the platform they designed it for.


Now. Theory at hand is "Will Jackson Racing make a supercharger for the ilx."
Slim to none. Sure they may have made one that will bolt up. And if they can be convinced they are the same, then they wont have to do much to release it for the ILX. But when it comes down to people being "interested" they means ILX owners because they need to do their own R&D to make sure it is safe for the ILX.

Again, you can buy one that will directly bolt up. But if you have an issue, not even a huge one. Just a question and you state that you put an Civic SI supercharger on your ILX; Jackson, and CT, no longer have to help, care, or value your warranty because you misused their product.


I'm all down for a supercharger later down the roat. Im just giving advice devils advocate style because it is the best I know how.

spdandpwr

You're absolutely right. I'm just saying for the products I listed, they actually use the same sku and warrantee the products. It's not hard for jackson to bring in an ilx and see if their si kit fits the ilx and work accordingly.

usdmJON

It is much harder than you think.
Product testing is pricey. Especially automotive product testing. MANY companies decide Research and Development isnt worth the time effort and money.

I hope they do release one. Odds are just against us.

spdandpwr

ill do the ct kit anyway, lol

Trentimus

Testing in this case would be taking off the intake manifold and placing it on the ILX.. Which I think is pointless as they're the same motor.

usdmJON

Wow. Ok if you want to argue like that we can.

Flashpro? Really? Do you understand WHAT flashpro is? It is a program. Not a piece of hardware. You plug it into your car and it flashes your ECU changing your tune set up. It is designed to work with any honda/acura because it is a ECU PROGRAMMER. Not a piece of metal or moving parts that gets installing as a highly active component in your engine bay.

A shift knob? Really? Wow. Got me there dude. I should be able to take the supercharger build for the 502 Boss and throw it on my ILX... what? The shift knob fits.


And I already stated that Tein has the same product number for the ILX and Si... but that doesn't mean they didn't have to put time money and effort into testing that they WOULD work.

spdandpwr

I meant to say short shifter lol. I'm not splitting hairs, just saying that manufacturers have worked to make sure their products work on both applications, not sure why Jackson wouldn't be as eager.

Trentimus

usdmJON

Clearly some manufacturers have made efforts to see if the part will work on both applications. If not they couldn't legally release the part under SEMA in accordance.
Doesn't mean all manufacturers are eager and willing to put money into R&D for a vehicle not meeting the expected sales of the company that produced them.

And it doesn't matter if you meant short shifter. The argument still holds weight.

spdandpwr

yea, this thread is getting hostile...I'm not trying to negate anything, just saying that there are some manufacturers willing to make sure their products work well with the si and ilx. By the way, I'd argue that flashpro is as big of an r&d endeavor as checking to see if the supercharger fits the ilx. Flashpro requires cracking the ecu and the ilx has a different ecu code vs the si.

spdandpwr

my post came after yours...guess we were typing at same time...looks like we're on the same page

usdmJON

Clearly you guys can't hold a real discussion since it quickly turned to bantering with ridiculous claims that a supercharger should fit if a shift knob does or pictures from fast in the furious.
Keep tuning Brian Spilner and Brian Spilner II.

spdandpwr

I think you misunerstood what I was trying to suggest. I'm not saying shift knob = supercharger...I'm saying, like you ended up agreeing to as well, that some manufacters have put in effort to make products that work for both cars. Given that, we don't think it'll require much for jackson to do the same, which you then smartly countered that it may not be worth it on their end because their is associated opportunity cost. I think we're...or at least I think...on the same page.

usdmJON

Flashpros are used from Civics to the RSX, to Integras with new ECUs to brand new ILXs and TSXs. From the s2000 to a CRZ.

You dont understand my crack about the short shifter. A shift knob doesnt need R&d. It takes a shift knob and shortens it. NO RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT INVOLVED. A supercharger, very very different. So clearly, you understand why Im offended when I made a very clear point and you countered will BS like a shift knob needing the same R&D.

A flashpro is NOTHING like the R&D for a supercharger. Im done arguing. We clearly share different hobbies. You wont hear much more out of me here.

usdmJON

Oh go pay a shop to install another downpipe you don't have the means to install yourself. Im out.

spdandpwr

I bet that if we had this conversation in person, their would be a completely different turnout. I think that writing along with no sense of tonality has made it seem like I'm attacking you -- definitely not the case because I appreciate your pov.

spdandpwr

So we're good?

I'll be the first to admit I don't know the ins and outs of R&D

usdmJON

It definitely would have been different in person because clearly not all three of us are mechanics or understand the R&D process which is vital when it comes to companies releasing new products.
Also trent probably wouldnt have openly mocked me because people tend to have more class in person than on the internet.


Honestly, I didn't take much offense. Just realize there isn't much talking with you guys when it is just a hobby to some but a lifestyle to others.

usdmJON

Sorry, edited my post so what you responded to is now underneath you.
Same post just added more.

And not very many people know how research and development works. Only those within a company know and it is different from company to company when parent companies and so on get involved. It is a mess.

And Im not offended. I dont have a problem with you. No worries. I just clearly dont share with this community what I shared with my former community. Shit happens.

spdandpwr

that's why we look to you to enlighten us. I mean that seriously, if we're wrong, I'd like to know somebody is being diligent about rebutting.

usdmJON

Sorry, I took that as humoring me. I'll be around but Im done creating arguments. I seem to do more bad here than good and Im not looking to create a reputation for myself. Lurking and doing my own thing seems to be the best course of action here.

spdandpwr

Honestly, I think this "argument" was more of a miscommunication and misunderstanding on my part. I hope you don't think I was belittling you in any way. Just tried to provide examples so I can learn, not to tell you you're wrong...

usdmJON

In the end dude its not just you. Dont worry no hard feelings.
Im just not going to push any points or theories anymore. I have plenty of tuner friends to hash out theories with in person. Online, youre right, tone is misconstrued and mocking begins.

Switt23

I don't understand your logic though usdmJON...

If you were to pull the motor out of a civic si and pull the motor out of an Acura ILX 2.4L and put them both on an engine stand. Put the CT-E blower motor on the engines and dance them in circles until you don't know which one was which.... it wouldn't matter. They are the same. The ECU's used to control tuning is the same.

The only issue they would have to test is clearance against the firewall, radiator support and hood.