subframe brace...

 

for a rear sway bar?

 

im pretty positive that the stock subframe would never flex.


can you please enlighten me on why one would do this mod?

 

Wasn't there a tl user not long ago that had an issue with subframe tear out due to his larger sway bar? He had to have a shop weld the tearing bracket back together and I believe they braced it as well.
Case in point.

 

Coming from an integra which were susceptible to subframe tear out; I picked up a subframe brace immediately. Ill be purchasing a sway bar soon but the brace should go in before the sway bar or at least at the same time.
Until then it's just some bling on my ilx.

 

That was the endlink bracket that broke, not the subframe. Had one on my 03 CL but removed it. Do not think it helps. Just extra money to spend and extra weight in my opinion. Might be useful on other cars though.

 

Yessir, I gotta agree with JON on this one. Definitely not a bad idea. Even if the rear subframe is beefy, adding the brace won't hurt.

 

I'd rather add a $150 brace, rather than spend a whole lot more welding my subframe back together. Call it preventive modding

 

Plus they are a cheap mod. Costs less than those stupid tb spacers. Mine was like 45 bucks.

 

If you got extra money to burn go for it.

I use my car mainly for autocross and track with sticky tires and have no issues with subframes or endlink brackets. That brace isn't really helping anything, I've tried runs with it on and off.

Since you have already spent the money there is nothing I say that will change your opinion.

So many other better places on suspension to spend money.

My 4 point mid brace made a noticeable improvement.

Rear sway made a noticeable inprovement.

Roll Bar welded in noticeable improvement.

Coilovers noticeable.

Poly and spherical bushings noticeable.

Front and rear tie bar not noticeable.

Front strut bar not noticeable.

This mod is no different than the TB Spacer.

For a bracing bar to really be effective, it needs to be the geometry of a triangle. Just one straight bar isn't going to do much. Look at any well designed roll bar or cage and everything is formed in triangular shapes for structural reasons.

 

No. You complete your missed the point. The brace isn't supposed to help you with handling. Search these forums for the tl user that has his sway bar tear out from the subframe.
Search the Internet for subframe tear out and you'll learn the real purpose of the brace.
Maybe you've never owned an integra civic or even the BMWs that have seen subframe tear out. It's a shitty problem to deal with and this cheap brace adds support to the very section that tears out after miles and miles of use with a thicker sway bar.

Again search for the tl user who had subframe tear out and that'll prove the point.

Your triangle comment holds true if the brace was attempting to make the frame less flexible under cornering. This is not the point.
Some damn washers could help prevent tear out better than no brace. And this brace connecting the two points strengthens the subframe even more.

The tb spacer is a gimmick. Some damn snake oil. The brace is a preventative measure to stop subframe tear out before it starts.

 

because racecar

 

 

front lower tie bar & x brace

 

whut????

if the RSB tears the mount; get it welded for like $60....

 

now that X brace will prevent flexing!!!!!!!


the rear subframe brace is just for folks who are scared about a larger RSB ripping the mounting points.
and ideally; you can prevent the subframe mount from ripping by keeping your rear wheels level while going over bumps.

the rsb is a torsion bar. if one wheel is higher than the other, the rsb WILL stress the mounting point on the other side.


OR get stiffer rear springs.

 

everything flex... even the high performance 4 pot brembo caliper flex...

 

yes, but that's not the point of the subframe brace....

the subframe brace is beefier so you dont rip the mounting points from a larger RSB.

Not from flexing of the chassis.

 

case in point

 

if you ever driven 9th gen civic, you will immediate notice ilx's chassis is much stiffer than civic, the reason is 59% of our chassis is made out of high tensile steel vs 9th gen civic's 55% vs 8th gen civic's 50%

vice versa, if you ever driven a mercedes or bmw, you will immediate notice german sedan's chassis is much stiffer than ilx & it feels much heavier than honda/acura (same class size)


this tells you, your instinct is correct... we can feel the cars construction..

if you drive a heavy car, you don't need to read specs to know it's a heavy car, if you drive a 1989 buick century, you don't need me to tell you the chassis & suspension is soft...

if you can understand this...

what many braces do is to reinforce a certain part of the car to reduce flex...

you may think ilx is very stiff compare to your previous car... but when you compare to a better structure vehicle such as a bmw.. acura is still consider "soft"

 

i only paid $100 shipped on ebay, it's the 8th gen civic braces, it fit perfectly on the ilx...

and if i don't like it, i can always sell it & get most of my money back...

 

yes, rear subframe braces are invented to beef up the rear subframe because many older cars with very thick sway bar will rip the rear subframe from the welded seam...

just like a good rear camber arm, not only this 1 product can help you correct your camber, good ones can also improve your rear LCA lateral movement & also reduce LCA flex...


not only rear subframe add some bling factor, it also reduce rear flex... i have it on my car & i can tell you it made a difference & i am very happy with the mod.

if your in socal, your more than welcome to visit me & you can test drive my car...

 

Not nearly that simple or cheap. Have you seen what it looks like when the sway bear rips out of the subframe? Not a 60$ job and it still wouldn't fit the issue as it'll just tear again.

 

where in so cal are you located? i might just take you up on that offer lol

 

does this mean that any 8th gen civic brace will fit?

 

Of the 7th gen pieces fit the 9th gen then yes.

 

i'm in san gabriel area, you can text me [phone number removed by mod per request] anytime....

it's why we need to test drive the car before buying it right ? same with car parts...

you can't just look at a stock photo on ebay & tell me exactly how the parts is going to perform.

 

i am not sure... i just know this part fits both gen...

if your curious, you can be a guinea pig & let us know if they fit or not....

 

i think i want the red bar

 

looks really nice